maybe they just want the list of clients :)

Search google for that site. They have stories about finger fucking new born infants you fucking stupid dipwhit.

I hope the FBI investigates every member of that site as well, which I'm sure they will.

Would you want your kid having a teacher who was a member of that site?

Would you want your kid going to get a doctor checkup if the doctor was a member of that site?

Would you want your kid going to an overnight camp if his or her counselor was a member of that site?

Geeeezzz WTF???

no, he wouldn't

let's forget actions and focus only on thoughts.

would you want the thoughts of people to be under control/supervision as an effort to prevent the written expression, but not the act of illegal activities?

of course I would not want my kid in any of those situations....

but I also wouldnt want my kid aressted for writing a murder novel, or speaking against the president or jotting down his secret desire to be whipped by a dom or what if my son turns out to be gay?????

wouldnt want him in prison for that

so let me ask you a question OK?

if someone had a site with stories about killing mass amounts of people and say others posted stories on ways they thought you could kill people

should they be locked away????????

your logic says yes is this so??

morons - there is no such thing as absolute free speech - you don't have the right to scream fire in a movie theater, you don't have the right to scrawl a death threat, you don't have the right to write libelous untrue statements about another person and on and on - and if these kiddy porn stories serve no other purpose, meaning NO literary value whatsoever other than to titillate pedophiles then i hope the Feds lock them up - fast.

Fantasies are not wrong, hurting children is. That's why they need to be protected. We can't and shouldn't protect people from their own thoughts.

Your analogies are ridiculous. I can write about killing the president all I want. It's fucking fiction.

Because their thoughts are 'wrong'?

This isn't a black & white issue like that.

Of course not.. but locking them up for 15 years isn't gonna make them better people.

yes the safety of children supercedes the right to free speech imho. stories, novels, movies that have some artistic and intellectual purpose for including sexual relationships between a child and an adult are protected - crappy porn stories written solely to appeal to and titillate those who could and are likely to abuse an innocent defenseless child are OBSCENE.

Sheesh!!! Quit the bullshit about political conspiracies - that may come later.

"Stories" as well as imaging that depict child abuse in the manner portrayed on the website are subject to obscenity laws in the same way all pedo content is. Because it's "just a story" does not mean it's not obscene.

Someone mentioned Lolita (the movie from Vladimir Nabokov's book) .. the difference between Lolita and "Playground Antics" and "Slut Family 1" is that the latter is perverse crap written for pedos and with nada literary merit and subject matter ranging from incest, bestiality, rape of childen and hell know what else.

How long have you actually existed in the adult biz?? Bright candles sure ain't a phrase that blends well with your post.

PS.. You will know when any "political prosecutions" start. The problem at the moment is ya don't know what is likely to be obscene.

would the murder site example i described above be considered obscene in your book as well?

would the thought police come knocking?

Don't matter a shit what I think. All that matters is what a jury thinks - they are the "thought police".

2 useful meanings to assist in the reading of this thread.


Pornography

Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal


Simpleton

A person who is felt to be deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool

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Got some amazing idiot shit here Dopy! They obviously went along to BestBuy and bought a computer to earn loadsa money out of porn and have not the first clue of the implications of anything, - combine that with nada judgement - it's a kickass cocktail! :winkwink:

[QUOTE=Webby]
How long have you actually existed in the adult biz?? Bright candles sure ain't a phrase that blends well with your post.
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good job water boy keep the team hydrated while I sack the quaterback

written expression is written expression no matter what that expression is

I am still waiting for an answer from anyone on the murder site example given above

and for your information while I have not had time to make a million worthless post on an internet board i have been in the adult entertainment biz for 7 years and people like you are the reason we can no longer offer lap dances in strip clubs here in Tampa. ( if the club sells liquor)

because some slow thinker :Oh crap dropped the ball and didnt take the right position at the right time.

you want to know what the argument was for banning lap dances??

it causes crime
makes kids get pregnant
causes divorce


you name it

Read the recent Supreme Court decision on "virtual child porn" and try again. There is no crime against a child if there is no real child. In a story, there is no real child.

Writing is protected speech.

When the details come out about this case, there must be more than what we've heard so far.

USA 'll have "south park" banned soon
because of Kenny dying every time

Who said there was a crime against a child??

"Obscene publication" is an offense and these are the possible charges Red Rose Stories may be facing.

I will not even debate with you as it is obvious you are not too bright and would be a waste of my time. i suggest you do some research

Goodnight guys. To see people defending the rights of CP producers, even in written form, is making me sick.

Again, I go back to the basic point, if that's not Obscene content, then nothing else I know of could be defined as Obscene, so what is obscene?

Producing dimented content based on little kids for pedo's to jack off on just to make a fast buck is as scumball and discusting as it gets.

And yet you yourself would probably defend murder in the written form?

Isn't it sick to see people defending murder and supporting murderers?

The U.S. legal system says that murderers are worse than abusers, and yet some people would allow and support murder in writing and in movies.

Why won't the police arrest all murder supporters, starting with authors and movie producers?

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maybe this is where we are missing eye contact

I dont think anyone here is defending CP but instead defending our right to free speech

an old saying goes give an inch and lose a mile

night to u

[QUOTE=pussyserver]I asked how long you have been in the adult biz... not how long ya gave lap dances in strip clubs in Tampa.

OK.. Will qualify it - How long have you been acting as an adult webmaster on the net? If you say seven years... I'm hearing Forrest Gump shrimp fishing.

And no, I'm not the reason for any changes in the laws of Tampa re strip joints. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

[QUOTE=Webby]I manage a gentlemans club in Tampa. I am new to adult webmastering ( hustling) and have promoted swing club fetish parties for almost two years.

does this help you??

What rights to "free speech" are you claiming to defend?? The FBI busted Rosie initially because she may have committed obscene publications offenses. Not because they were limiting her "rights to free speech". If it's decided the alleged offenses are of substance, a jury will decide in the end whether the content is obscene or not.

You got a problem with that??

[QUOTE=pussyserver]OK.. got the picture...

at this point I will no longer debate this with you as you are not able to understand such serious subject matter nor the ramications of what looks to be a simple case to you

No hard feelings, I guess I expected too much of someone I dont even know.

one last thing I will say is please open your eyes before it's too late

I have a problem with any government suppressing free speech.

What you are saying does not make any sense. You are saying that because they busted Larry Flynt and charged him with a crime, then it has nothing to do with free speech.

There are two issues. The first is that obscenity is not even in the constitution. The second is that charging someone with a crime for speech is always related to freedom and free speech.

Think about your argument in regards to China. If China decides to execute bloggers for publishing blogs critical of the government, which is illegal in that country, does that issue have to do with free speech? Does it have to do with freedom? Just because a government makes something illegal does not mean it doesn't have anything to do with freedom and free speech rights. The opposite of what you are saying is true.

When the government tries to suppress speech, that is the definition of attacking personal freedom and civil rights.

-- i cut & paste this exceprt found on another site---

taken from the complete article at http://www.answers.com/topic/child-pornography-1

Now, is it wrong? YES 100% is it Illegal? see the part that says as long as it is not judged obscene. personally, i think they should lock her up. If somebody is capable of writing shit like that, then chances are they practice it too & condone it. We as adult webmasters, business persons, artists, producers, etc. whatever we are in this biz, we have an ethical duty to do what we can to be responsible. redstories in my opinion, was acting completely irresponsible, way out of line & imo condoning & advocating kp! fuck them.

OK Mr F... I am totally with ya on censorship/free speech stuff. Also, I know very little about the specifics of US law, but have defended alleged obscenity offenses over the years.

Larry Flynt was charged with an offense - he had his day in court and from what I remember, it was something he relished and strongly defended :-)

On anything that could be regarded as "normal porn" - I'll have my day in court anytime and defend it. The problem arises when in either imagery or text that depicts eg.. finger-fucking babies, daughter-fucking and generally areas of child abuse, whether these are "virtual" or real. Only my :2 cents: worth cos it's really a jury matter and seeing any evidence in full, but I just find this sicko shit offensive and don't doubt a jury would find the same.

Let's put it this way, - I'd be speechless even making an attempt to justify publishing material depicting children being abused and in that respect, it has little to do with "free speech". We generally as webmasters report offenses of this kind, not defend them and it would be a sad day for children when adults assume child molestation is "acceptable".

On the Constitution... you ever think for one moment that the founding fathers would consider their comments on "freedom of speech" to be abused to the level of "finger-fucking babies"? I think not.

Your comparison with China executing bloggers for criticsm of the govt come no place near obscenity - of course anyone is entitled to criticize whoever they like and that is sure a free speech issue.

Where in... eg Rosie's case, is the govt attempting to surpress her speech or attacking her personal freedoms? So far all that has happened is the FBI are investigating.. basically child porn, and suspect with a desire to check out hard drives. If there is, and remains to be seen, any offenses, - Rosie will have her day in court and have her free speech with a jury and they will decide her demise or otherwise.

On the flip side, sure, I ain't listening to govt bullshit about restricting freedoms or having "values" to uphold - they were never elected for this purpose and their values don't matter a toss. They were elected to run the country - ie defense, economy and try and construct roads - sadly they seem to be failing on that.

And sure, the other factor right at this time is there is a tenant in the Whitehouse struggling to keep credibility and divert attention away from the main issues - and that's a dangerous time for easy targets, such as the porn biz, forgetting the fact that the Whitehouse tenant has hijacked religon and sits on God's right hand.

Basically pedos and their "associates" can have as much free speech as they like before they are locked in a cell. They just screw up/contaminate the biz we are in and give justification to others who wish to attack the business and legislate against it.

I never knew there was a debate. Child porn is simple... it's either child porn or not. There is little to debate.

I have a problem with pedos being able to have web sites with content like this.

Do you have kids Mr. F? I sense not.

I'll protect my kid and anyone else's kids rights and welfare to the death on this issue. You get this sense of mission once you have a child and become a parent.

I'll bet you if this site has 500 members, they are all regular looking people working all sorts of jobs in communities. But quite often these pedo types that are into cp tend to also have jobs where they can interact with children.
They could be doctors, teachers, bus drivers, camp counselors, sports coaches, etc. You would never think they are pedo's just by looking at them.

The fact that so many of these sick fucks are able to be undetectably so close to children in the course of their daily work is every parent's absolute worst nightmare and fear.

In every society you have to set a line on things. Free speech is fine and dandy but there have to be limits on the most extreme gregious issues or it would be a free for all society where the security and welfare of children would be subject to great risk and endangerment.

So I hope the FBI and DOJ win this case and more than anything I hope they investigate anyone who was a member of this site because you'd have to be quite dimented to want to subscribe to this type of content.

Interesting note! On actual child abuse cases, the US is one of the worst countries for talking the talk and not walking the walk.

Unlike the majority of western countries who willingly give up bodies to other countries where there are allegations of child rape/abuse committed within these countries, the US has failed miserbly in this area.

The last, and this was the first occasion the DOJ gave up a US pedo for prosecution of offenses abroad, was about a year ago. It took over two years pressuring the DOJ to give this creep up to another nation. They eventually gave in when threatened with embarassment in international orgs. The pedo was eventually extradicted from the US for trial and convicted of assaults on... think about 13 kids and is now serving a jail term.

Another asshole is being chased at the moment and is now back in the US - let's see if they give that body up without more fuss.

It kinda makes me puke listening to bullshit about free speech, values and rights when that shit is going on.

Yep.. it's the next door neighbor and good friends and family!! :1orglaugh

On Overture or WordTracker... try typing in pedo related words and check the search count - it's amazing shit and a sad reflection of society!

BTW, would you read some story featuring a premeditated murder? Say some kind of thriller where is described a "good guy" who cuts off a throat to kill some enemy sentry or something like that. Is murder legal in the USA now? Why do you allow the ppl. to read the books about it? Is CP more illegal than murder? Why it is legal to read about one sort of evil but illegal to read about other sorts of it? I think all the books that popularize any kind of violence (including murder of course) must be forbidden.

So "Rainbow Six", "Patriot Games", "Rambo" and even "Star Wars" must be forbidden! Thses books are all about murder!

you gotta love America.

Home of "Freedom of Speech" written by people who owned slaves and forced 12 year olds and teens to marry old slave owning plantation men.

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here is your obscenity

http://grammarpolice.net/archives/images/pisschrist.jpg

i was just telling someone this.

The latest star wars featues CHILD MURDER in it.

a room full of children are slain.

does KRL and the Good Guy Badge crew raise hell?

no.

Star Wars is full of murder and underage sex.but they let the kids wacth it and they think its a love story... yeah about two teens who fall in love, make a baby and start the clone wars :1orglaugh

I dont have kids KRL but can understand the emotional argument, the fact is these guys or women who harbour such thoughts are already doctors, teachers, etc and there's nothing we can do about it.

You seem to want a witch hunt to unearth these 'evil' people throughout America, that is utterly ridiculous. there is nothing we can do UNLESS or UNTIL a CRIME is committed by such an individual, that is how the US works based on the rule of law (although it is going out of the window), you want to punish for PRE-CRIME or thought crime like in Minority Report and that will just lead us into general anarchy.

I'm not advocating cp! I'm also consider it EVIL. But I just compared it with another kind of evil... with a MURDER. Is murder better than cp? I think no. But why do you read all those books about it??? The pedos do read the cp stories because they are pedos. But how about you guys? Are you normal people? Why do yo read the MURDER stories? Are you getting excited when you read as good guy John Rambo killing his "enemies" with a big knife like a butcher? Is it the way the America should follow?

lots of you guys are using incorrect analogies.

John Rambo killing his "enemies" with a big knife is not the same as violating an innocent child.

i suspect decent people on a jury will understand the distinction and do the appropriate thing.