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NOTHING is just black and white. You sound like Bush, either against us or with us. WTF is with you people... we don't agree so we're not "part of the club" :1orglaugh Ok Jeb, just cut everyone loose who doesn't agree that people should make money off baby fucking pedo porn stories. Whether you like it or not we're all in this industry together. We will make porn regardless of you liking us going against your belief that baby fucking pedo porn stories are ok. |
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You can do better then that..... can't you? |
I am not here to argue really just to post links and facts.
Is Lawrence Walters taking up this case? You said nothing is black and white. That goes against everything Lawrence Walters has fought for and any law on the books. |
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The last line of that looooong article specifically states: "In this decision, at least, the [Supreme] Court has taken a strong and definite stand in favor of First Amendment rights, and has drawn a line in the sand when it comes to protected speech: If it does not involve children and is not obscene, it deserves First Amendment protection. " NEXT! :1orglaugh |
we don't like it but we are all in this together no matter the content
we have less control of the law's definition of our content than we might think |
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when no victims are being harmed its acceptable. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=comprehension |
As i daid, not here to argue because i think its fear of losing your children that drive these arguments.
Pornographers with kids are the ones living in fear, not me. |
its not that anyone is for CP - totally the opposite - we are glad that sites like this are dragged out into the light where they will suffer and eventually die. What scares us is that we cannot trust the government to stop there. Once they have started on CP and shit like that, who's can guarantee that they wont start lowering the bar to include s&m or other content until one day a close up on a pussy or even the description of giving oral is banned?
We may not be going over night into the Inquisitions but we are turning in that direction. Restraining religion needs to be addressed first especially when one presidents views on god does not represent everyone under his care. |
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"In this decision, at least, the [Supreme] Court has taken a strong and definite stand in favor of First Amendment rights, and has drawn a line in the sand when it comes to protected speech: If it does not involve children and is not obscene, it deserves First Amendment protection. " If you think baby fucking pedo porn stories will not be judged obscene by anyone but pedos you are sadly mistaken. Quote:
I don't live in fear. I have nothing to hide. The minority of you on this board saying the people who don't agree with you are AFRAID or AGAINST FREE SPEECH or are CONSERVATIVE are as bad as Bush. Everyone has to agree with you or they're a nonconformist, in an indisutry of nonconformist... oh that makes great sense. Very logical. I don't think you guys step out of your bubbles and take a good look at yourselves and the messages you put out in the world. |
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Either way that site being rubbish aside we keep sliding further down the slope as the feds keep expanding the application of obsinity laws, and that to me is much more disturbing in the long run. :2 cents: First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. |
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Untermensch is all that comes to mind. I will never defend "actual cp" but freedom of speech i will. http://www.dpjs.co.uk/untermensch.html |
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Aside from that, someone who is clearly ignorant of one of the more important laws of argumentative logic, namely that the validity of an argument is independent from any and all personal traits or actions of its propopent, should really shut up about rationality altogether. I said: "Are you seriously trying to say that you can't have valid and true opinions on things you wouldn't die for? If so, you are an idiot." If you feel you have been called an idiot by that, you apparently subscribe to the idea that one can't have valid and true opinions on things one wouldn't die for, and have thereby proven yourself to be an idiot. Quote:
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Clearly, that argument doesn't work. It is possible to have strong opinions about things, actually care about things, and still focus your life on other things. By no means does that make arguments less true. Quote:
Clearly, she is just talking matter of fact, and is in no way intending the piece as an angry criticism of what happened. And look at the following: "You CAN NOT write beastiality, water sports, scat, b&d, s&m, slavery, threesomes, orgies, or sex with children. It is considered OBSCENE and is prosecutable. TRUST ME ON THIS. I found out the HARD WAY." So she is not just "talking out of her ass" or criticising censorship, and it is in fact illegal to write about threesomes and orgies? Quote:
Here's a tiny little philosophy lesson: In political philosophy, concepts like "the original position" and "the natural state", used most commonly by social contract philosophers like Hobbes and Rousseau, are not meant to refer to biological or historic facts. They are used as metaphores, intended to emphasize the influence of the state and in which ways it changes and can change the social position of individuals, contrasted with the position they would have if there was no state. In such a context, the "natural state" being one of freedom means that freedom is the basic position of the individual, which can only be limited by a state. The role of the state is to limit, not to allow. Compare the following two positions (where x stands for any random act): 1. "You can do x, unless it is explicitly forbidden" 2. "You can't do x, unless it is explicitly allowed" The position I hold is, quite clearly, #1. Your argument, on the other hand, seems to assume #2. However, #2 makes no sense when you look at it closely. Am I allowed to put peanutbutter between my toes? Under #2, it would be forbidden until explicitly allowed, which would be ridiculous. In fact, common sense makes it clear that #2 is a plainly wrong way to look at things. It would be impossible to put into practice, and it denies the fact that human beings are active agents. Clearly, then, freedom is not given, it is the very basis of human existence. But since you won't understand any of this anyway, I may as well stop typing :disgust |
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We are the ones who are on the forefront of this social battlefield. The government has, and always will, fight to maintain control. Some administrations are more liberal then others. Just look at the Visa rules... you can have the term "girl" on your site descriptions, but not "boy" We are already censored There are more important things for us to piss over here then this baby fucking pedo porn story site. |
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The facts are, as you state, that you don't even support what you're defending, either physically or financially. You only support in theory, not reality, which has about as much substance as a fishes fart 3 miles under the sea. Get real. |
I DO find it amusing.
because you guys are the ones with people trying to take your kids away because you live disgusting and perverted lives full of sin. jesus christ will have his way with you sinners. i just hope some of you make a thread when you lose your kids because of your pornographer lifestyle. sick sick sick /sarcasm |
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You have just proven this is all a game to you, a mind fuck. You, and Fletch, the vocal minority, both don't support the baby fucking pedo porn stories in reality, only theory. You ignore most of what I say that is on topic, and go off on tangents as part of your game. Life is not a game. Reality is not a game. The repercussions of what we do in reality is not a game. How many GFY'rs trading dead body pics for porn or writing baby fucking pedo porn stories going to jail will it take before you get it through your thick head... life is not a game. You can't do whatever you want and fuck with anyone or fuck anyone over without repercussions. That's reality.. in society and in the wild. Deal with it. |
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You still haven't given a single logical, rational and valid reason for your position. Your main argument seems to be that rational debate and logic are just "a game", and from that you conclude that your position is correct. To those of us who do believe in logic and argumentation, and do not consider them to be "games", your reasoning seems to border on insanity. |
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Supporting something in theory, and not reality, is not supporting it at all. Baby fucking pedo porn stories have no value other then to get pedos off and disgust the curious. Our current laws state that if it involves minors and is obscene, that it's against the law. This content is, and will be, judged obscene. My stance is simple, and has been stated yet again. |
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Are you supporting government censorship of content that offends you? Do you also support the governments of China and Cuba when they censor their citizens? What are you, some sort of communist? Why don't you leave America if you hate it so much? Take your pro-censorship views to a country like China where they will be appreciated. :1orglaugh |
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Was that the "if you don't agree with me leave" argument? Sounds like Bushes "if you're not with us, you're against us." comment... something like I'm unAmerican if I don't believe that pushing baby fucking pedo porn stories is ok like Mr. Fiction. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :helpme |
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it's called */sarcasm*/ Seems you don't catch that either. |
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This isn't sarcasm, this is ignorance regarding our current situation: "Obscenity does not exist at all in the constitution and the supreme court has already ruled that content that does not involve a real child is not child porn." This statement shows he is clueless to the topic at hand. A couple of the people who cannot grasp the concept of obcenity are the ones sitting in jail right now, who can't make their bail, and thought this was all a big game of theory relating to the constitution. |
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This is a *discussion*. In a discussion it's about *arguments*. "You don't really mean what you're saying" is a really, really crappy argument. In fact, it isn't even an argument, since it doesn't actually touch the discussion. It's a pathetic and irrelevant ad hominem. Let me say this: I am really in favour of free speech. I fully support your right to write up elaborate stories involving fetuses getting raped by shitting dogs and gay horses. I support that right. Not in theory, in practice. My argumentation for my position is, necessarily, a theoretical one. After all, that's what argumentation is - defending a specific theoretical framework of reality over another one. You don't seem to grasp the concept of arguments :2 cents: So, perhaps, it shouldn't be a surprise that you still haven't given a single relevant argument for your position. It is rather shocking, however, to see you defend your lack of arguments for your position by an attack on the very concept of arguments. Your "stance" is just that: a position, with no relevant logical foundation, devoid of context and meaning. It is based solely on emotion, not on rational thought. |
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Certain people throughout history have been willing to fight censorship so that you have the right to publish adult material today. If everyone just did everything the government said when some laws are clearly violating the Constitution, you would not have the free speech rights you have today. Someone has to fight the government to protect all of our rights. No one here wants to be that person, but some here eventually will be. |
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hahahaha, clueless porn pushers.
hahahaha, yes, lets defend pedo so the people of our country know who's side we're on. hahahahaha |
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"hey, once they come after baby fucking, they'll come after you!" haha, silly kid. |
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We all know the govt can only go so far in terms of censorship. We're only talking about something incredibly off the scales of being obscene and perverted by any standard and that is all. I'll defend free speech to the death, but when it comes to a sicko site like this, I'll defend the imposition of censorship just as strongly. |
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let me school you a bit. I still made more in erotic stories last week than you have in your career. sheep like yourself are confused because they have stories on the site. If raw alex is to be believed, and he's generally right, there was much more going on than stories. now why don't you run along and let the grown ups talk. Calling people with more knowledge on the subject sheep will get you rave reviews with the kids but not with the adults. |
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thats the cool thing about a chat board, when the truth comes out about the site, your misguided opinion will be long forgotten |
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Also 12 your a marketer of porn which is not a pornographer many get confused by that. I produce adult so these things really matter to me.Where for you its porn today ,mortgages tomorrow.
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Were you already dead ? |
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I mean for me its porn today, mortgages tomorrow, for you porn today pedophilia tomorrow. I understand the whole keeping your options open thing. :winkwink: |
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The government can only go so far in terms of censorship for a reason: at some point, people will stand up against the erosion of free speech. If you don't do it though, it won't happen. Rights that are lost are very hard to regain, and if you don't wake up in time you may find you will have lost more than you bargained for in the end. |
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What part of that don't you understand? |
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