400.........

You might as well ask him to grow wings and fly to Iceland.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

of course not, you've never done anything in this business to be special. Don't hate me because I accomplished things, hate yourself because you haven't. :1orglaugh

no, you have to imagine your betters were lucky to make your poor self image feel better. :1orglaugh

I'm not the one defending pedophiles :winkwink:

you have to forgive me, where I live, we look down on pedophilia.
call me ignorant because I don't have your open social view of "hey pedophiles are nice!"

I haven't read this entire thread but I have doubts about the validity of the statement posted on the site that has closed. Is there mainstream media that has covered this or anything news outlets that corroborate it at all?

The Xbiz article is based, as it clearly states, solely upon what is written on the closed site. I haven't seen nor heard of anything to back up the claims. Perhaps the guy is closing the site for other reasons, but saying it's because he's being forced to shut down makes it easy with no further questions asked.

It seems unlikely to me that the site would get closed down no matter how vulgar or morally reprehensible various people may think it was. Their are text based beast, rape, scat, hate and otherwise radical sites all over the place. Why on earth would this site be shut down.

Dalton plead guilty. If you plead guilty you lose your right to appeal. Had he been convicted at trial his appeal would have had much merit. This case smells more of ineffective assistance of counsel rather than a conviction by the thought police.

lots of pompous pontificating about free speech concepts in this thread to legitimize vermin produced by human debris.

GFY is not a microcosm of ordinary society.

in this webmaster board of "business" people who think they are part of some sort of "industry" you find posts about dope use, a peanut gallery of cheerleaders for max hardcore style degrading shit porn, and video files of a guy being fucked in the ass by a horse.

did it ever occur to some of you asswipes that the FBI might be looking for something OTHER than obscenity when it busts a site like this?

let's get in the real world for half a second. let's think practical.

the ONLY kinds of people who are interested in, and play around on a site like the one in question are people that are currently a threat to children...and getting the files and member list, and IP numbers of the vermin that play on this site and TRACKING THOSE FUCKS DOWN will make the world a better place. period.

don't throw "free speech" into the mix, because in the end analysis "free speech" in this case is not relevant...there is a practical reason the FBI is doing what it is doing---and they already probably know they can't win an obscenity conviction.

they want to know who is playing on that website.

now is that simple enough for some of you?

Yes, you are missing something.

One is reality, the other is fantasy.

As I said back on page 5 of this endless thread, I would rather live in a world where real CP was non-existent, but where people could write about and speak about whatever they want to write and speak about. (even if it offends me)

Is the difference between reality and fantasy so difficult for people to grasp? The law says that as long as you are not advocating and counselling others to go out and commit the same act, then the content is legal. It says this in order to protect fantasy material. The next time you watch a show where someone is "murdered" for example..... think about why they are allowed to make a show depicting someone being shot or raped and then killed, or hanged, or tortured to death etc. It's because A) It's fantasy, and B) they are not telling you to go out and commit the same act or acts.

The same applies to stories, no matter what they're about, or at least it should. The FBI really should be spending ALL of their resources tracking down those who produce the real CP, you know... the stuff involving actual pictures and videos, the stuff that proves that an actual real child was abused.

The only reason some of you are arguing for more extreme measures is that your going on pure gut reaction... something I would hope the legal system does not share. Trust me, I'm just as repulsed as you are about the subject matter of these kinds of stories and I fully understand the reasoning behind your argument here and why you feel that way..... but I'm sorry, I can't support it because it does not take into account the rational point that there is a huge difference between fantasy and reality.

Thankfully the law sides with and supports my argument, or at least it should. Every so often though the cops and government tries to bend the law, they've certainly done it here in Canada and I now see that the same thing is happening in the US. THAT is what outrages me the most in all this. As outrageous as those stories are, they are fiction only, merely the written word... but when the authorities try to circumvent their own laws, that is real. And it's frightening as hell.

Great post :thumbsup

My god you are brilliant !!!!!












PS: the other bust in Florida ( the Iraq-porn guy ), that also was to " protect " children ???? I see. I have a hard time, not being as smart as you.

That sounds familiar .... Who has been repteating something similar for the past few years... Any help guys ????


Last Note: They want the member list, those possible pedo: they get a search warrant, seize the equipment if permitted and get the list...

aahhhmmmmm......35,000 people killed in pakistan? hello? page 9 on this topic?

final score


12clicks 493


others 7

pornstar2pac=shit nosed ass kisser

did you think of that all by yourself?

agreed. he's a nasty little suck up.

and if you took all the thought and intelligence of 12clicks' last 500 posts combined, it still wouldn't equal one paragraph of this post, no matter how many smiley faces he puts in it or how many times he posts hahahah while he's getting owned.

HaHaHa :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Kid, you are right :1orglaugh
hahaha :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

* The above post ,if using 12clicks standards, is the most intelligent post of this thread ... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

12clicks is right in one respect.... true pedos really do need to be put down, gathered up and imprisoned, if not shot and pissed on.

I just don't think that chasing down fantasy is the way to accomplish that. Find the sites that promote real CP and shut them down, jail the owners, track the members... but leave the fantasy alone.

What did I read somewhere about "writer's perogative" or something? I believe in the sanctity of the author's right to pen whatever words they want, with the exception of the aforsaid advocating and counselling caveat. Publishing hatred with the intent to incite real violence would also fall under that umbrella.

only to those who count

sorry sig whore, a suckup is an ugly thing no matter whose salad you're tossing.

you've tossed salad before?

hur hur hur I know YOU are but what am I??

get the fuck outta here, men are talking. Your playground bullshit is too weak for this thread.

Go kiss your boy Ronnie's ass a little more, maybe he'll teach you something about posting.

poor diglet, can win an argument with me using his own thoughts. :1orglaugh

your the one who mentioned tossed salad. not me. so how was it?

nah CD, I'm right about something you're completely missing. At the end of the day, there will be more to this website than text.
THAT is why they went after it.
no different than a bookstore owner killing someone in the store and then claiming he was arrested for selling books.

was there any doubt diglet would side with the pedophiles?

so let's say, for the sake of argument, that there is nothing else but stories on this site and there never has been. Should the site be shut down and the owner jailed for the stories alone?

so weak and so predictable. Let me ask you this: Is the ACLU a nazi organization because they protected the rights of the Nazis to march in Skokie?

Is it too much of an extended chain of reasoning for your simpleton mind to understand that a desire to protect freedom of speech in this country does not equal being a pedophile?

What is it you love about this country, mr super duper patriot? What makes us different from other countries? Why are you in such a hurry to exchange democracy for totalitarianism?

the only thing sadder than your original attempt at an insult is that you think it's worth repeating. That's two strikes, one more and you're officially beneath notice.

nope................

I'm surprised to find myself agreeing with you on all points then.

It indeed seems likely that the feds are after more than just the stories, and if they are, they are ofcourse completely right. However, people shouldn't be prosecuted just for offensive but completely fictional stories alone.

That about sums it up?

ummm..

ok then. We agree :(

diglet, diglet, diglet.

so bitter, so unknowing. stomp your feet, call me a simpleton, pretend you have a clue.
Then watch the world revolve as I want it to as it always does and grow more bitter in your liberal pedophilic loving hole. :1orglaugh

exactly.
if you weren't so completely over the top anti-government, you could look at the circumstances more rationally and understand that your ONLY info has come from the site owner and others conjecture

well seeing as you don't think the site owners should be busted either, I guess we're both pedophile lovers huh?

I thought it was you conservatives who were supposed to be anti-government?

the uneducated might jump to that conclusion.

I think we've all presented our points great and I see more clearly where you guys are coming from, though I still think some of my points are just a valid.

Anyway, I just saw this in the news. And it goes with what some of you said here, if you let government censor where does it stop.

So do you agree that little kids should be able to buy violent video games or did Arnie do the right thing here? Kind of funny that he would ban games when his movies are pretty darn violent too.

OCT 10, 2005

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a bill Friday that makes it illegal to sell or rent violent video games to minors in California.

Mmm... I see we are still rambling on about "fantasies".

As yet, there is no law against fantasies.

The potential charges are about obscene publications. Sheesh!!

You have to face the reality that we live in a world where the government wants to know everything about you, especially if you are a potential predator.

I'm sure the core reason they went for the site was to get the members list above anything else on there.

Anyone who was on that site will be subject to an investigation and their homes will be searched next, no doubt.

99.9% sure any investigator would have an interest in the content of hard drives where there is a suggestion of CP :winkwink:

It's a nice "snapshot" of any biz and a clue to what's happening or has been happening. I got a "demo" of an actual case in an EU forensics lab - It's amazing what they can recover off hard drives - they "drilled down" about 10 levels deep on a disk and recovered stuff eased/replaced a few times over.

Fucked UP

Gee..oh gosh oh shucky darn
 

Hey Alex,

I sought out this forum after getting the heads up about it elsewhere, and I have a few things for YOU (ALL) to consider:

FIRST, I am 100% AGAINST CHILD PORN (Meaning pictures, movies etc) So lets be clear.

Now... As far as pedo stories. Get a grip guy. People will read, let me shock you, what THEY want to read. Not what You in your Devine wisdom graciously allow them to read. Yes, there is plenty of pedo porn out there and some of it is distastefull (to me) - on the other hand, if you can track down the NOVELS by a man named Clayton you might surprise yourself.

Second, let me try and educate you just a little. You wrote:

>They are fucking pedos, and they will get everything they deserve. If you cannot see the difference between "Brianna Gets Molested at the Mall M/g NC" and "Taxi Driver" then you have truly missed the boat in life.<

You might be interested to know that PEDOPHILES tend to come down hard and hate child molesters MORE than your average man on the street. Of course, people like you can't (read: DO NOT WISH TO) see a difference. Far easier to keep napping and sit in judgement. You will, of course, flame me for saving this, but where do you get your infomation from? The same news media that has a vested interest in showing the one (popular) side of things. Child Molesters ought to be hung, pedophiles... well, I suppose I could try to explain it to you, but I am to tired to beat my head against the wall right now.

Suffice it to say that not all gay men bend over for it, though they may desire to. Not all lesbians eat at the Y though they may want to. And not all Pedophiles are the monsters that you and everyone like you wishes to point them out to be.

For me, I would MUCH rather see a person who is inclined to want sex with chiuldren, READ stories like this and get themselves off in private, rather than maybe doing something more...anti social.

It is very easy to scream that this that or whatever shouldn't be allowed, first amendment or no, when it is something You personally find disgusting or upsetting. Thing is though, IF something should ever start to be banned that you yourself enjoy, then boy do your types tend to whine.

The First Amendment is at it's best when it can stand for something that we DO NOT care for. It is not there to be used when everything is to our liking and it is the CONCEPT that is worth gold - not the practice.

Now, if, in that chatroom, people were trading CP, then close it down and arrest the guilty. But do not presume to TELL ME what I am ALLOWED to READ. If your problem is with content, I can point you, without any difficulty at all to several boards which glorify the rape, humiliation and brutal torture of women - and the members there do not stick to fantasy stories like "Brianna Gets Molested At The mall" but rather compare notes and techniques on the best way to find, rape, abuse and possibly kill women.

I am not pedo, though I have fantasies about underaged at times (Think Brit Spears). I also have fantasies about incest, though I am not a parent, bestiality, though I own no pets and bondage, though I have this fear of leather.

I also have, on more than one occation, imagined at length, killing my boss when I am told I must do overtime, and I am not a murderer, I have seen a pretty (adult) girl walking down the street and imagined bending her over in an alley - though I am no rapist; and just last night I watched the video remake of Dawn Of The Dead - enjoyed it incredibly, and so far as I know I am not an undead flesh eating zombie.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but just ONCE I wish I could find SOMEONE who would hear me out on the subject of pedophiles (NOT Child Molesters) and maybe stop telling me what I am allowed to read.

Minoton

tell it to Bubba, pedophile

The laws were different back then.

Oh...

When did they change and what changed ....

Figured you for one who would take the moronic way out of calling everyone who disagrees with you a pedo.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=527258

Go call this lawyer a pedo.