Originally Posted by jayeff

On the face of it, this kind of thread seems like an extraordinary indictment of our industry. What else could such weak member-area security be except a consequence of poor management? But there are two things to consider...

The first is that the owners of a retail store - for example - can accurately measure their losses due to various types of theft, and they can also calculate the cost of and savings resulting from measures intended to reduce theft. Thus they can apply such measures as are cost-effective and budget the practically unavoidable thefts as an expense.

We know password trading sites exist. We know their activities cost paysites bandwidth and we strongly suspect they cost them sales. But we do not have any way to quantify these losses and therefore no way to know what security measures might be cost-effective. So what to do? Good management isn't acting simply for the sake of being seen to be doing something, but acting in a way which demonstrably improves profitability.

And then there is the nature of our industry at this moment in time. It isn't made up of corporations with legal responsibilities and answerable to shareholders. Because this is still a young industry, many people in it have made, are making, far more money than just a few years ago they ever imagined: despite the password traders and all the other leaks. Yes, by absolute standards their management may be poor, but so what? They could learn and apply some new skills or hire those skills and add some points to their bottom lines as a result. But if that meant diverting part of their time and energies away from the things they enjoy doing and believe make them the big money, I seriously doubt many would be interested.

So what does someone like Ciao bella really have to gloat over? By his own admission he is hacking systems with minimal security, so what he is doing isn't much of a technical achievement. And sooner or later he risks falling foul of the law when he likely could make as much or more money legitimately.

The bottom line is that he is no better than any other kind of small-time thief and while he might be an irritant, the people from whom he is stealing will still be making serious money, long after he has been shut down.

Originally Posted by nofx

Ciao bella you're the reason the internet should exist

Originally Posted by explr

i think you're full of shit

you know you screwed up when you posted that username in the screenshot, and now you're trying to make it seem like you have everything under control

someone from lightspeed really should follow up on that username and see what you can find

Originally Posted by justsexxx

Again, I have no doubt you can get in. HOWEVER, how long does the average password KEEP working....

Originally Posted by KingK7

I am willing to bet this clown is not from Italy, his english is way too advanced for that, even though he tries to hide it with this "Signore" bullshit.

Originally Posted by flashfreak

ciao bella : the end is near.

there was a fucktard like you from Israel last year, he used to threat webmasters to put down their servers. even gfy was down few hours.
he won some $$$, right now he's in jail.

I wish you the same :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Tipsy

Which really sums it all up perfectly. The guy is here laughing at how he can illegally access sites and extort money for a teeny $200 a pop. Who's the real idiot? Funny thread just to see how many other idiots think this guy is in any way 'clever'.

Fuck, I hope I never become so poor that I have to turn to theft and extortion for $200. When I do I'll know I really have hit rock bottom.

Originally Posted by adultchica

Ciao Bella is really an 18 yr old college nerd boy sitting in his dorm room hacking shit to feel better

Originally Posted by bashbug

heh funny shit. hes hoping sponsors will pay him, to secure shit. htaccess cant be secured. unless you make longer harder to break username passes. easy passwords are crackable. if everyone switched to image verify would solve a lot of problems.

Originally Posted by MattO

Right now I'm sitting in the office of a billing company, where I work a few days a week as part of the programming team for their system's back end.

I must say, we've all been having a good laugh at this retarded fucking thread.

Program owners have more to worry about with chargebacks than with script kiddies who don't have credit cards of their own trying to gain access to their sites.

Originally Posted by Savaged00d

And last thing. Since he must know most of us actually read this stuff, and we obliterate from internet anyone that contacts with webmasters (as that's the first and most important rule of this trade) he's hiding his board name. We have our world, you have yours. We do this stuff cause of the challenge, not cause of the financial gain (not talking about puny brutefocing). And when we find out the url of his board, you can be sure he'll see what DDoS actually feels like, and how it feels to have your bandwidth sucked right infront of you in a matter of minutes. We'll handle our stray sheep.

Bye

Originally Posted by Ciao bella

Signora & gentiluomo, skiddie, fucktard, loser Ciao bella is doing good for himself. Met a lovely client & colleague of yours in Atlantic City yesterday. We disussed website security. Our flight to Canada leaves this evening. Grazie infinite adult webmasters! You all talk alot & I am the only one showing proof! Those who last last laugh hardest signore. Grazie for the vacation! :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by MattO

Right now I'm sitting in the office of a billing company, where I work a few days a week as part of the programming team for their system's back end.

I must say, we've all been having a good laugh at this retarded fucking thread.

Program owners have more to worry about with chargebacks than with script kiddies who don't have credit cards of their own trying to gain access to their sites.

Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet

Guessin you work for Ibill by the location. :winkwink:

Originally Posted by Ciao bella

Signora & gentiluomo, skiddie, fucktard, loser Ciao bella is doing good for himself. Met a lovely client & colleague of yours in Atlantic City yesterday. We disussed website security. Our flight to Canada leaves this evening. Grazie infinite adult webmasters! You all talk alot & I am the only one showing proof! Those who last last laugh hardest signore. Grazie for the vacation! :1orglaugh

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Bravo the porn industry, Bravo!

Ciao bella

Originally Posted by darksoul

I don't know shap but by the look of his site
seems he's a newb.
Ofcourse he knows his shit when it comes to marketing and
whatever he does good but he surely has no clue about server stuff.
Its ok, nobody can be good at everything.

Originally Posted by shap

I'm definitely a newb. Just trying to make a living working day by day :winkwink:

Originally Posted by shap

I'm definitely a newb. Just trying to make a living working day by day :winkwink:

Originally Posted by Taboo

Wonder why Ciao bella hasn't replied to Savaged00d yet? C'mon guys, where's the drama... everyone knows when "Hackers Collide" everyone goes down. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by shap

I'm definitely a newb. Just trying to make a living working day by day :winkwink:

Originally Posted by NickJ

this thread is either very funny or very sad. I don't know which.

Originally Posted by reed_4

I'm very much confused to buddy. :helpme

Originally Posted by Ciao bella

Signore, as mentioned to Franck, where have you read me posting paypal or epassport for payment? Adds flashfreak to our extensive list of retarded GFY webmasters. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by explr

make no mistake, i am well aware you left the deluxepass username intact as well, i just never saw a rep from deluxepass on here so i skipped over it

just emailed lightspeed with that information

Originally Posted by justsexxx

Tom JOnes? Jeez get at least a better taste

Originally Posted by Savaged00d

Hello. First let me introduce myself. I'm yet another, how you like to call them "hacker". Only difference is, that ciaobella is a poor script kiddie bruteforcer that learned to operate senty/AD/caecus and the likes, and now he thinks he owns the world. I've followed the conversation thus far from outside as many of us do, since we always keep a close eye on all webmaster boards, and didn't interfere untill i saw some of you started "believeing" this clown.

It's true most of you dont know the first thing about security, so what he wrote might seem "Advanced" to you, but that's all kiddie stuff. Half of that was even described in a bruteforce tutorial that comes with one cracking tool. "Ciao bella" is a moron and a newbie. I like how he posts screenshots of his board wiht "200" pages of replies or what not. He probably has 5 replies per page and the thread in a continuous one. With that setup, i know much larger forums that would rack that up to 1000's. Another thing i like is how he speaks for "all" crackers. Another bullshit. There's shitload of more boards and crackers. Paying to him for "stoping to bruteforce your site" (HA HA) wouldn't make up for a single thing in your breached logins. Most of the stuff he wrote was bullshit.
"logs of billing companies???" - Like he has access to any of the billing company. He'd be advertising to them, not to you if he had.
"Ip from mexico bla bla, bullshit bullshit" - Just a proxy found on any cracker board

And last thing. Since he must know most of us actually read this stuff, and we obliterate from internet anyone that contacts with webmasters (as that's the first and most important rule of this trade) he's hiding his board name. We have our world, you have yours. We do this stuff cause of the challenge, not cause of the financial gain (not talking about puny brutefocing). And when we find out the url of his board, you can be sure he'll see what DDoS actually feels like, and how it feels to have your bandwidth sucked right infront of you in a matter of minutes. We'll handle our stray sheep.

Bye

Originally Posted by onedree

Ciao bella has been making a mockery of you all. :2 cents: