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Juicy D. Links 10-23-2005 11:58 AM

Can I get a Free Pass? thanx

Mutt 10-23-2005 11:58 AM

i'm not going to say too much on GFY ......... UNLESS I am forced to ....... but i am going to say this. NOBODY in this industry has EVER had more done for them than what was done for Ashley 'Brookes', by me and my partner John Emslie, for absolutely nothing in return other than for her to live by an original agreement between her and I3 months ago - a pledge of time and commitment to her 'business' from the time we began the journey - and a modicum of gratitude.

To those who would/will point a finger at either me and John for any actions please remember that in the 6 months following the launch of AshCash there was little to be seen of Ashley on GFY or any other board nor was she available to affiliates on ICQ - despite my frequent urging, scolding and outright frustration. Why did Ashley 'Brookes' disappear from GFY and ICQ - i heard the question over and over. And I lied. The reason Ashley 'Brookes' disappeared is because she had what she wanted - she avoided her affiliates and 'friends' because she didn't need them any longer. She has reappeared on ICQ and GFY during the past week for one reason only - because she needs people in this industry again.

You make your own conclusions.

cherrylula 10-23-2005 12:01 PM

man I had to pull Nikki Nevada links too, this is where it ends. What a shame.

Sosa 10-23-2005 12:02 PM

so we can expect some chargebacks since surfers will not be allowed to log back in?

Juicy D. Links 10-23-2005 12:03 PM

MY POV on this.

Mutt isnt to blame for this... we all seen this before. Mutt has helped her and he has helped others.

-JDL
UnOFFICIAL GFY POV Poster

Drake 10-23-2005 12:05 PM

A real shame

Manowar 10-23-2005 12:07 PM

yeah to be honest i wont be sending traffic to the new system either, enough with the changes

AshleyBrookes 10-23-2005 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
this has NOTHING to do with Mutt. ZERO. Ashley was advised explicitly NOT to switch to NATS - because it is not backwards compatible with old CCBILL links - I gave her a solution that IS backwards compatible with current CCBILL links. Ashley has chosen to do this on her own.

I made the decision to switch to NATS because I knew my site was going to be totally offline for a short period of time. Due to lack of personal content and design. Switching to NATS now will ensure something like this will never have to happen again. I investigated a lot of solutions, and their speed of setup....NATS was by far the best choice for now and the future.

sonofsam 10-23-2005 12:08 PM

Sorry to hear about this Mutt... I know how it is. Well.... not the switching processors part... but the model headaches :disgust

tapatio 10-23-2005 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AshleyBrookes
I made the decision to switch to NATS because I knew my site was going to be totally offline for a short period of time. Due to lack of personal content and design. Switching to NATS now will ensure something like this will never have to happen again. I investigated a lot of solutions, and their speed of setup....NATS was by far the best choice for now and the future.



Never bite the hand that feeds you.

nnweb 10-23-2005 12:10 PM

links pulled and will not go back up

Mutt 10-23-2005 12:15 PM

this will explain more - graphically. i urged this girl - who despite every bit of frustration I have endured for 12 months is a BRIGHT girl even though some of her 'friends' claim she isn't - she is smart. I urged her from the moment AshCash launched 7 months ago almost to seize the 'opportunity of a lifetime' - I was here to help her 24/7 - and would continue to be. The difference with me and everybody in Ashley's life is I expected BETTER of her - I don't treat people as 'girls' 'nude models' - I took her as she came from Day 1 - an adult, she is NOT a child.

Ashley could have walked from this industry in 2 to 3 years with a small fortune - to help herself, her brother and her mother but Ashley plays ONLY by 'Ashley's Rules' - the world according to Ashley.

Remember - this is NOT the first time around for Ashley - there's another webmaster here with his own story. I was there for that story.

http://www.darklifeimages.com/ab_alexa.jpg

sonofsam 10-23-2005 12:15 PM

i might take some heat for this.. but a basic timeline for a solo girl site

1.) they get explained how much they will get paid and what is involved in running a solo site and they are extremely happy and eager to work

2.) while shooting the initial startup content they are happy because they are working a lot and getting paid per shoot (if they are working on a per shoot/basis and not 50/50)

3.) after shooting the initial launch content...they start to get impatient during visa approval and site launch

4.) when they realize its not a get rich overnight scheme and people they know stumble across the site, they demand to have the site taken down and expect you to eat the loss even though you explained to them that eventually people they know WOULD see the site

5.) the model flakes, and the producer hopefully was smart enough to get 2 years of content pre-shot so the site can continue

6.) model is bitter

the end... taadddaaaaaaaa

IceMaster 10-23-2005 12:21 PM

Links removed.

NaughtyRob 10-23-2005 12:24 PM

Edit, maybe I should read the whole thread first.....

Shoehorn! 10-23-2005 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
a very simple solution - programmed by GFY's own Mr Fifty, woj, and a little help from Uproared.

up until 3 weeks ago Mutt was still hanging in with Ashley 'Brookes' - call me crazy - http://www.ashcash.net/the_new_ashcash

That looks awesome.

justsexxx 10-23-2005 12:26 PM

So ashley, why exactly did you leave Mutt? Want to make more money? Remember this is the second time you left a "program" webmasters remember this, and it won't be easy to convince them to put their links backup...I am for example "done" with this

sonofsam 10-23-2005 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justsexxx
So ashley, why exactly did you leave Mutt? Want to make more money?

i'm gonna take a guess..

her friends are putting it in her head that she should be making a lot more money because the site is all about her.. and she thinks she will make more money now that she knows what to do from watching how mutt gained affiliates?

NaughtyRob 10-23-2005 12:30 PM

BIG mistake by Ash in my opinion.

Mutt 10-23-2005 12:33 PM

many people aren't aware still of what went on between me and Ashley. I have not made a DIME off this girl, and never will regardless what I do with content I own of her. Every single minute, hour, day, week, month - an entire YEAR - invested in this girl - was for HER benefit - and I hoped for her family's benefit.

cybermike 10-23-2005 12:34 PM

This is basically her 3rd strike, I'm not going to be putting up the new links..

Juicy D. Links 10-23-2005 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justsexxx
So ashley, why exactly did you leave Mutt? Want to make more money? Remember this is the second time you left a "program" webmasters remember this, and it won't be easy to convince them to put their links backup...I am for example "done" with this

I need a pass for Teen Handjobs. I have to review the spanking factor.

pubenemy 10-23-2005 12:37 PM

Maybe she can rename her site to ashley broke when she has no affiliates...

tapatio 10-23-2005 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
many people aren't aware still of what went on between me and Ashley. I have not made a DIME off this girl, and never will regardless what I do with content I own of her. Every single minute, hour, day, week, month - an entire YEAR - invested in this girl - was for HER benefit - and I hoped for her family's benefit.


You were not a equal partner?
wow

a1ka1ine 10-23-2005 12:39 PM

mutt fix your sig!!

and.. i hope everybody learned something from this mess!

SetTheWorldonFire 10-23-2005 12:41 PM

hope everything works out

Mutt 10-23-2005 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapatio
You were not a equal partner?
wow

no. exactly as I said - Ashley was given the world - an opportunity NO girl in this industry has ever been given - and there's much more to this story - how hard it was to get her launched on her own and what I went through to make sure she had what she wanted.

Ashley when I met her was under contract to another webmaster/program - TNA Cash owned by Aron Simpson - I told her from Day 1 that I could not be financially involved in her website because I would never step on another webmaster's toes for my own gain.

Mutt 10-23-2005 12:49 PM

if anybody is put out financially by this Ashley has MORE than enough money to make things right by you. Her affiliate program launched on April 7th of this year - as of a week ago when I had my last look at her processor stats she had made NET $110,000.

tapatio 10-23-2005 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
no. exactly as I said - Ashley was given the world - an opportunity NO girl in this industry has ever been given - and there's much more to this story - how hard it was to get her launched on her own and what I went through to make sure she had what she wanted.

Ashley when I met her was under contract to another webmaster/program - TNA Cash owned by Aron Simpson - I told her from Day 1 that I could not be financially involved in her website because I would never step on another webmaster's toes for my own gain.


No good deed goes un punished
Sorry it ended up like this for you

Young 10-23-2005 12:51 PM

Damn...sounds like a crazy situation. Good luck to the both of you. I hope it ends up working out for Ash in the end even though it seems like she may have made the wrong decision.

Mutt 10-23-2005 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapatio
No good deed goes un punished

HA! In January after Ashley pulled an act of incredible ingratitude and irresponsibility that involved both my partner and friend Marco Pallotti - Marco said those very words to me.

AshleyBrookes 10-23-2005 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
i'm not going to say too much on GFY ......... UNLESS I am forced to ....... but i am going to say this. NOBODY in this industry has EVER had more done for them than what was done for Ashley 'Brookes', by me and my partner John Emslie, for absolutely nothing in return other than for her to live by an original agreement between her and I3 months ago - a pledge of time and commitment to her 'business' from the time we began the journey - and a modicum of gratitude.

To those who would/will point a finger at either me and John for any actions please remember that in the 6 months following the launch of AshCash there was little to be seen of Ashley on GFY or any other board nor was she available to affiliates on ICQ - despite my frequent urging, scolding and outright frustration. Why did Ashley 'Brookes' disappear from GFY and ICQ - i heard the question over and over. And I lied. The reason Ashley 'Brookes' disappeared is because she had what she wanted - she avoided her affiliates and 'friends' because she didn't need them any longer. She has reappeared on ICQ and GFY during the past week for one reason only - because she needs people in this industry again.

You make your own conclusions.

Yes Mutt, you guys were great in a business sense. I don't know where I would be without you - but it was not the business side of things that broke this up. I can't ever repay you for the time and effort you put into my site, but I will try...
After finally making the decision to go my own way, which was a very hard decision - I have had to look back at all the things you really did on the business side and I'm very greatful...but I need to be on my own and really learn and understand what it takes to make a site workable. I have talked to a lot of people and have recieved a lot of great advice from all of you - and thank you guys so much!
When all this started, I didn't really see how much work was really going on.
Mutt, I would love to find some way to repay you for all your hard work. Maybe I can send you all my exit traffic or something - but I really need to start looking at this as a business and taking care of it myself.
Yes, Mutt, you built a great foundation, but we know that's not the issue. I would be happy to discuss ways I can help you as a repayment in strictly a business manner.
AshCash and AshleyBrookes are now strictly under my control. Something like this will never happen again. I am really excited to work with those of you that stay with me and look forward to having fun coming up with new things to help you guys make more money!
My ICQ will be open to all affiliates, I'd love to hear your ideas on what you need to make more money.

Corleone 10-23-2005 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nnweb
links pulled and will not go back up

same here

Sly 10-23-2005 12:57 PM

Fuck.

Mutt did more for that girl than I would do for my own children. This is a shame, even though it was inevitable. Sorry buddy.

Lycanthrope 10-23-2005 01:00 PM

Thank you for once again reminding me why I do not and will not push single girl sites.

pradaboy 10-23-2005 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt
i'm not going to say too much on GFY ......... UNLESS I am forced to ....... but i am going to say this. NOBODY in this industry has EVER had more done for them than what was done for Ashley 'Brookes', by me and my partner John Emslie, for absolutely nothing in return other than for her to live by an original agreement between her and I3 months ago - a pledge of time and commitment to her 'business' from the time we began the journey - and a modicum of gratitude.

To those who would/will point a finger at either me and John for any actions please remember that in the 6 months following the launch of AshCash there was little to be seen of Ashley on GFY or any other board nor was she available to affiliates on ICQ - despite my frequent urging, scolding and outright frustration. Why did Ashley 'Brookes' disappear from GFY and ICQ - i heard the question over and over. And I lied. The reason Ashley 'Brookes' disappeared is because she had what she wanted - she avoided her affiliates and 'friends' because she didn't need them any longer. She has reappeared on ICQ and GFY during the past week for one reason only - because she needs people in this industry again.

You make your own conclusions.


Ouch, sounds like a solo girl getting a mighty big head :Oh crap

Pleasurepays 10-23-2005 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam
i might take some heat for this.. but a basic timeline for a solo girl site

1.) they get explained how much they will get paid and what is involved in running a solo site and they are extremely happy and eager to work

2.) while shooting the initial startup content they are happy because they are working a lot and getting paid per shoot (if they are working on a per shoot/basis and not 50/50)

3.) after shooting the initial launch content...they start to get impatient during visa approval and site launch

4.) when they realize its not a get rich overnight scheme and people they know stumble across the site, they demand to have the site taken down and expect you to eat the loss even though you explained to them that eventually people they know WOULD see the site

5.) the model flakes, and the producer hopefully was smart enough to get 2 years of content pre-shot so the site can continue

6.) model is bitter

the end... taadddaaaaaaaa


MUTT Rules. He has done an awesome job in everything he does. his record and work speak for itself.

Models Flake everytime. its never a question of "if" is just a question of "when". They all think that opening their legs is what makes the money... its not. Its about 20% of the equation and none of them seem to want to accept that they are just a commodity and there are many more like them willing to do the same.

I don't doubt that Mutt tried to reason with her but has been here long enough now that she has reached that point and got "star sick" and thinks she has it all figured out... just because 100 lovesick, over the hill, married with children slobs are sending her e-mails from their trailer, promising her the world and telling her how beautiful she is every month.

cherrylula 10-23-2005 01:05 PM

So I don't get it? Does content need to be paid for or what? Isn't something missing here?

If the content is hers why can't she use it?

LexiLexxx 10-23-2005 01:06 PM

You webmasters/affiliates....sometimes have to take the good with the bad, life in general isn't perfect.

It's getting harder and harder to find girls that are willing to be all over the net. I would say there's alot more to this story, from both parties...that you will not hear.

Sales are up and sales are down, if you sold cars...would it be busier in the summer or winter? You just don't know.

I don't think posting what she made in 7 months time was very cool. :-(

But good luck to both of you.

swedguy 10-23-2005 01:08 PM

Ashley,

When you first came out with Ash Cash and I saw your posts, I had high hopes for you. You sounded like one heck of a bright girl. But this decision/idea is one of the least bright ones I have seen in a long time.

Good luck.


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