You're one of the hardest working quickest learning people I've seen around here lately. Don't let them get to you :)

thanks bro :thumbsup

You dont need to defend yourself. Your stuff speaks for itself. :thumbsup

the old affiliate links will work and i explicitly in that email I sent her referred to NEW hosted galleries she was planning to go up with content shot for me of her.

she took this action today on her own - there was NO reason for affiliates to be drawn into this.

That I can of course understand. Perhaps there was some confusion between her, yourself, what she can and can't do, etc. I'll speak with her some asap to find out exactly what she wants to do with the ccbill program and run it by you if that is ok with you.

In my experience, the hardest working quickest learning people are mainly lurkers and keep their business private. That might be why you dont notice them.

i have no doubt Mutt was extra good to you.

I can agree with that. I'm sure there are many hard working quick learning people that I haven't seen also. :)

Had to highlight that very very important question!

dude, I was only joking. don't take everything so personal. this is gfy

Sorry to hear that mate

i couldn't tell you were joking... and its hard not to take offense when you put so much work into something.... julia blue herself is a bitch, and i could care less if people think shes ugly... but doesn't mean there arn't people out there who find her hot and are willing to sign up for her site... and as long as there are those people out there... i will continue promoting her site :2 cents: but when people knock the site it offends me... not because of me caring about julia blue and how hot she is.. but because of the amount of time trying to make my first paysite work

cheers

A 110K in 6 months time is not much at all, after bills she prolly has half that left

what bills are you talking about? bills associated with running a website? puh-leeze - inconsequential

another fucked up model wanting more.. links pulled.

Good luck Ashley, I wish you well.

Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people
without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA

I have gave advice to several people in the industry, and have NEVER asked
for anything in return. Niko, can vouch for me on this.

I seen all this coming from day one, but I think Mutt not did it to help, but also
lost a ton of money, that was to be re-paid. I know he never wanted a percent, or any cash, (beyond what was a loan), or a relationship. As far as I know Mutt has never even met Ashley.

I do know, that Mutt has pinned Ashley's character as exactly as the person she is....

OK i just read the whole fuckin thread

I totally understand becasue I have been through it many times

I respect Mutt it's not Nats fault

this totally has to do with an ungratefull young girl who will lose everything she never built to begin with..

Don't give her the content let her start on her own :2 cents:

for those affiliates losing money why even support someone like her?

shit once i switch a link i switch for live

So whats it gonna take to fix this issue?

300 pissed off AshCash affiliates...

This 300 spot sponsored by:
http://www.wojfun.com/sig/banner.php

We've had our differences Mutt...but I am truely sorry to hear about this mess :Oh crap

I tell you what this sounds like, and this is comming from soeone who gets emails from guys all day long for the last 8 years of doing this, but dont take it wrong.
the way you say things and what you say sounds like you were infactuated with her. You either had a relationship with her or wanted one. Everything you say is about her and how you want her to do so good and you get upset if you thought she was going to sink herself, and it was not over money because you were not paid, so it sounds like there were some serious issues you may have had with her. Not healthy in a business relationship...but then it was not really a business relationship since mutt was not paid paid.
this is just an outside obervation, not ment to ruffle any feathers.

Ok, I have wasted a lot of time reading this thread, and I still can't figure out what the fucking problem is and why it can't be worked out.

1. Find a solution so those that joined through CCBill can continue to be rebilled and affiliates get their cut.
2. Ashley pays Mutt for design, and all content he owns and continues to use it so that the site stays up.
3. Ashley gets off of her sweet little rump and attends her cam shows without fail and any other obligations she has with members and keeping in touch with affiliates.
4. If she has not learned HTML and photoshop and has no desire to do so, she can hire and HTML jocky for XXX $'s a month to keep her site updated.
5. Ashley should pay Mutt a certain amount over a period of time for the work, time and expense he incurred getting her program up and running.
6. Ashley is a smart girl and needs to put herself on a schedule just like any other "job". Her site *is* her job and it is very easy to always say "tomorrow I will do more, next week will be much better". All of us webmasters I am sure have been through that, it is hard to stay motivated...and you need to learn to treat it as a job...doing it when you don't feel like doing it.

Mutt: I understand what you were trying to do for her. No excuse for her not shooting content. I can see her disinterest in the HTML/photoshop...it certainly is not for anyone. Many business owners hire that work out, and it is not a "bad" thing if she does, nor is it irresponsible. Not getting content shot is irresponsible though as well as ignoring affiliates and not cancelling cam shows.

Ashley: Very few girls your age can make the kind of money you have been making at your age. Hell, very few make it at any age. Life is short, time flies and opportunities do not last forever. Time to sit down, get yourself a schedule and stick to it. You will not believe the relief you will feel when you stop avoiding the things you need to do and just "get them done and out of the way". Hell, you can spend one weekend a month shooting content like crazy that will be enough for updates for the entire month. Farm out what you are not good at or not interested in. Things like cam shows etc. are only once a week or so, they are quickly over and keeping your members happy keeps your income high. *YOU* are the business, market yourself well and learn from your mistakes and don't make them again.

First if she was unmotivated why would you care if she had a site or not? Why begging and pleading with someone who didn't want to work? She didn't want to shoot for her site and you continued working with her for free. I don't know you .I have no doubt your a really nice guy but I have a feeling someone was extremely infatuated with someone. The reason I know this is because I have been there myself. The minute she did nothing and you kept coming back it was over man, people don't respect what they don't have to earn.

sorry - i'm not one of those guys who joins your website or any model's website - there is a boyfriend involved in this story who is a FRIEND now of mine - you can ask him about me.

zero interest in Ashley on my part 'that way' - is she adorable? yes. cute? yes. I will dump 14 months of ICQ with her - I treated this girl more like a daughter than anything else. A daughter who behaves badly.

By the time the site launched and was doing well but she was doing even less and less my WISH was that she would find somebody in this industry as a BF - a BF who would understand that this is a job, a business, just like any other business in a mall or an office building. I hoped it might even be my photographer John - there was some chemisty there.

theory is wrong.

Two issues here:

1. Mutt's committment to this girl. That I don't care about, up to him if he wants to be that guy who hopes on a star that someday the girl gets JUST drunk enough to let him bang her. That's his deal. What he did was charity, the reasons for which are purely his own. Likely it was for ass, which is a shame. You should have thrown him a bone Ashley, it wouldn't kill you and you'd likely own his ass after.

2. Ashley Brookes fucking her affiliates out of $$$. Now that is insane, and with no real background in marketing/advertising/promotion to fall back on (nor the funds to do run a true multi-level campaign), she'll never get back to whatever level she was at in terms of gross rev a few months ago. Crazy, but a good lesson for her.

Next time, before pulling the plug and thinking "I'm hot, I'm special, I can turn any site into a gold mine, screw this" I'm sure she'll instead say "Shit...how can I work this out..." :1orglaugh

Please do you really think she is going to change and if she does i don't think she will be able to run a buisness from what I read. I bet she has no clue where to begin.

Someone else will just take her money and she will be in the ssame boat over and over.

I can see how Mutt tried to help her succeed.

From what I have learned in the past is I only help people I see put in the time and those who have the Drive to suceed.. 1 out 0f 50 of my friends actually can take the bull by its horns and are now Successful

Totaly agree with

"people don't respect what they don't have to earn"

Man, get this shit over with.

This little girl is a spoiled little bitch. Sell her your content for a really high price and let her do what ever the fuck she wants.

DONE AND DONE.

i'm almost done with this thread. There are THREE - count em - THREE people in this industry who REALLY know Ashley - and BradM ain't one of them. There's me, Aron Simpson and John Emslie. That's it. Aron and I posted here - John spent a total of 15 days alone with her - the second half of that time in his home and studio - I had to spend the next 2 months repairing that relationship because I thought she might be needing his help again. And of course 2 days ago - she did.

I'm Old school and it has to do with respect.. Don't sell her the content let her do it on her own so she understands its not easy.

Everyone wants to be a star or get rich if they reach that goal they fuck whoever helped them to get there. All I have to say to those people is :321GFY

Interesting to note - ashley has NOT posted shit to this thread after the 2nd/3rd page.

I got this email and thought WTF? Now after reading 7 pages of a thread and still having nfi wtf went wrong I will NEVER EVER promote Ashley again.

You do need to change your sig though :winkwink:

Don't worry maybe she'll follow the 2005 GFY business model, do fan signs every 2 weeks and webmasters will promote.

I can't believe how people are jumping all over Mutt in this thread...... Am I the ONLY one who remembers a site called Nikki Nevada? Mutt didn't send me any emails today telling me to take down my links.

that content isn't going to be sold to her - or anybody else - IF anything is done with that content the proceeds will go to charity or webmasters. i'm sticking by my promise that I'm not making a dime off her ass.

Ashley can't do weekly cam shows or create a constant webmaster presence for her affiliates. Without a webmaster, she is done. This is just another prime example of why help/handouts do not work.

By the way, Mutt, next time you're looking for a webmaster/boyfriend for a cute model... give me a ring. ;-)

Hi everyone

Dean our differences were very small - hit me up sometime. glad to see you working with Shap.