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Young 10-23-2005 06:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by georgeyw
Interesting to note - ashley has NOT posted shit to this thread after the 2nd/3rd page.

I got this email and thought WTF? Now after reading 7 pages of a thread and still having nfi wtf went wrong I will NEVER EVER promote Ashley again.
I don't blame her.

Someone called her a c*nt amongst other things. why would she return to the thread?

Her affiliates know how to get in touch with her. GFY is not a mandatory requirement for her.

divinity 10-23-2005 06:20 PM
Ashley, if you're even reading this, here's another vote to figuring out something for all the ccbill affiliates.. politics/opinions aside, it's a PITA to remove links and add new ones, and in most cases adding new ones won't happen after all the old ones are removed. But for the affiliates that are already pushing with CCBill urls, they don't have to do anything and you capitalize on all the work we've put in.

KRL 10-23-2005 06:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mako
she'll never get back to whatever level she was at in terms of gross rev a few months ago.
Just like models are a dime a dozen on the Net, so are the number of male webmasters willing to "help" them for free. She'll be back up in no time.

Ashley has "that look" that sells. "That Look" never ever has a tough time finding whatever it needs to get whatever it wants.

A gorgeous young girl has complete power over men.

tony286 10-23-2005 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RogerV
I'm Old school and it has to do with respect.. Don't sell her the content let her do it on her own so she understands its not easy.

Everyone wants to be a star or get rich if they reach that goal they fuck whoever helped them to get there. All I have to say to those people is :321GFY
Amen Paisan :thumbsup

KRL 10-23-2005 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links
Hi everyone
So are you going to be her new Guido manager?

:pimp :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Juicy D. Links 10-23-2005 06:25 PM
I think Mutt is a nice guy

Juicy D. Links 10-23-2005 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRL
So are you going to be her new Guido manager?

:pimp :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Nah man , I can barely manage myself since my assistance quit :helpme

Mutt 10-23-2005 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRL
Just like models are a dime a dozen on the Net, so are the number of male webmasters willing to "help" them for free. She'll be back up in no time.

Ashley has "that look" that sells. "That Look" never ever has a tough time finding whatever it needs to get whatever it wants.

A gorgeous young girl has complete power over men.

KRL - you have no idea how much work is involved in her little niche and how competitive it is - and why I kept on her almost daily to keep in touch with her affiliates and build stronger relationships with them.

those who know ......... know. the girl will never recoup what she had - not doing softcore she won't. its what i warned her about 100 times or more - 'this is a once in a lifetime financial opportunity for you .................'

i'm the guy who got her an exclusive contract offer from Penthouse magazine - that contract was worth a tenth of what she could be making if she had the drive and work ethic.

DateDoc 10-23-2005 06:29 PM
FUCK! I just put up new links this morning. :(

Head_Hunter 10-23-2005 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by divinity
Ashley, if you're even reading this, here's another vote to figuring out something for all the ccbill affiliates.. politics/opinions aside, it's a PITA to remove links and add new ones, and in most cases adding new ones won't happen after all the old ones are removed. But for the affiliates that are already pushing with CCBill urls, they don't have to do anything and you capitalize on all the work we've put in.
Dont mutt hold the rights to all her content? If so this is gonna be a nightmare for everyone

Mutt 10-23-2005 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tat2Jr
I can't believe how people are jumping all over Mutt in this thread...... Am I the ONLY one who remembers a site called Nikki Nevada? Mutt didn't send me any emails today telling me to take down my links.

Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people
without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA

I have gave advice to several people in the industry, and have NEVER asked
for anything in return. Niko, can vouch for me on this.

I seen all this coming from day one, but I think Mutt not did it to help, but also
lost a ton of money, that was to be re-paid. I know he never wanted a percent, or any cash, (beyond what was a loan), or a relationship. As far as I know Mutt has never even met Ashley.

I do know, that Mutt has pinned Ashley's character as exactly as the person she is....

Got Gauge aka Aron Simpson - owner TNACASH/NikkiNevada.com
__________________

Sly 10-23-2005 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRL
Just like models are a dime a dozen on the Net, so are the number of male webmasters willing to "help" them for free. She'll be back up in no time.

Ashley has "that look" that sells. "That Look" never ever has a tough time finding whatever it needs to get whatever it wants.

A gorgeous young girl has complete power over men.
Yeh, she'll get "help"... from some moron making $500 monthly doing galleries hoping to get laid. Nobody with real knowledge is going to give her the true help she needs, they're too busy. One of the program owners would bring her into their program I'm sure, but they're going to want one of two things... a huge percentage or pussy... or both.

KRL 10-23-2005 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutt
KRL - you have no idea how much work is involved in her little niche and how competitive it is -
I know. Had the exact same experience as you. I did two cam sites a few years ago. Got nothing but grief and aggravation and ended up saying forget this.

But you have to acknowledge, young girls are just that, young girls. No disprect to Ashley, but to expect a lot of business wisdom from a 22 year old, Mutt, is ridiculous on your part. Come on. 22? Most entrepreneurs don't get all their experience down til their 30's if they started in their 20's.

So I've been there done that and realized not to expect anything back when you help out young girls.

KRL 10-23-2005 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly
Yeh, she'll get "help"... from some moron making $500 monthly doing galleries hoping to get laid. Nobody with real knowledge is going to give her the true help she needs, they're too busy. One of the program owners would bring her into their program I'm sure, but they're going to want one of two things... a huge percentage or pussy... or both.
My crystal ball sees Ashley Lightspeed up next.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Juicy D. Links 10-23-2005 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRL
My crystal ball sees Ashley Lightspeed up next.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Explain This??????????????????

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/37292/...through_glass/

Mutt 10-23-2005 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRL
I know. Had the exact same experience as you. I did two cam sites a few years ago. Got nothing but grief and aggravation and ended up saying forget this.

But you have to acknowledge, young girls are just that, young girls. No disprect to Ashley, but to expect a lot of business wisdom from a 22 year old, Mutt, is ridiculous on your part. Come on. 22? Most entrepreneurs don't get all their experience down til their 30's if they started in their 20's.

So I've been there done that and realized not to expect anything back when you help out young girls.
KRL, i really thought this girl was 'different'. There are some girls in this industry who do 'get it'. I've asked other webmasters who work with them, they are few and far between for sure but they do exist - I thought she was one of those girls. And no I wasn't that naive - whenever anybody would roll their eyeballs at me I'd allow that they could be right - only time would tell that.

KRL 10-23-2005 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutt
Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA
WTF???? Dude this is the Porn industry we're talking here.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

tony286 10-23-2005 06:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutt
Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people
without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA
I can see if the person is motivated but beggiing and pleading someone who doesnt want to work to work and spending money on something that will give you no return and the person still isnt willing to do it.Thinking your going to save someone who doesnt want to be saved Thats not karma, its infatuation lol

CTL 10-23-2005 06:46 PM
The moral of the story?

Keep your bitches in check. :thumbsup

bigdog 10-23-2005 06:46 PM
so mutt you have never met ashley in person?

DVTimes 10-23-2005 06:47 PM
Not sure Ashley if you can understand how much problems removing the links are to some webmasters.

I shall not promote you from now on. Not because I am being nasty, but simply as I do not have the time to mess about.

SomeCreep 10-23-2005 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KRL
My crystal ball sees Ashley Lightspeed up next.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
Steve already has an Ashley :winkwink:

http://www.ashleylightspeed.com

Mutt 10-23-2005 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog
so mutt you have never met ashley in person?
nope and no plans to.

all i told Ashley since May I want or needed was a 10 minute daily ICQ update about how things were going with the site and she could hit me up or email me with any questions or problems she had.

that's it.

Head_Hunter 10-23-2005 07:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutt
that content isn't going to be sold to her - or anybody else - IF anything is done with that content the proceeds will go to charity or webmasters. i'm sticking by my promise that I'm not making a dime off her ass.
So you are the one basicly causeing the problem for all the afilliates. This all could be simply fix sell the girl here shit and move on. You threw in the towel and now you wanna bitch about her this and that.

Smooth move guy you say you don' care about makin $ but you fuckinin us but hey thats ok. Shit gets forgiven but not forgotin.....

Darkland 10-23-2005 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutt
i'm almost done with this thread. There are THREE - count em - THREE people in this industry who REALLY know Ashley - and BradM ain't one of them. There's me, Aron Simpson and John Emslie. That's it. Aron and I posted here - John spent a total of 15 days alone with her - the second half of that time in his home and studio - I had to spend the next 2 months repairing that relationship because I thought she might be needing his help again. And of course 2 days ago - she did.
Thats 4 actually. I just stay outta the spotlight and I doubt anyone knows that I am co-owner with Aron. But she is def. up to here same old tricks, if she is doing the same shit she did with us then she is obviously not planning on changing her ways anytime soon. How many chances does she expect to get, burn enough bridges and it soon becomes hard to build new ones. I wonder how many peoples ICQ's she is burning up trying to find new friends and suckers. Heads up guys, when she gets what she wants you will be dropped like a bad habit.

John

nnweb 10-23-2005 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Head_Hunter
So you are the one basicly causeing the problem for all the afilliates. This all could be simply fix sell the girl here shit and move on. You threw in the towel and now you wanna bitch about her this and that.

Smooth move guy you say you don' care about makin $ but you fuckinin us but hey thats ok. Shit gets forgiven but not forgotin.....
bullshit

venus 10-23-2005 07:07 PM
I do not know what her website bills are, but mine are about 10k a month...every month.
that does not include all the federal tax stuff I have to pay every quarter.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutt
what bills are you talking about? bills associated with running a website? puh-leeze - inconsequential

GotGauge 10-23-2005 07:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by venus
I tell you what this sounds like, and this is comming from soeone who gets emails from guys all day long for the last 8 years of doing this, but dont take it wrong.
the way you say things and what you say sounds like you were infactuated with her. You either had a relationship with her or wanted one. Everything you say is about her and how you want her to do so good and you get upset if you thought she was going to sink herself, and it was not over money because you were not paid, so it sounds like there were some serious issues you may have had with her. Not healthy in a business relationship...but then it was not really a business relationship since mutt was not paid paid.
this is just an outside obervation, not ment to ruffle any feathers.
Mutt Listened to a crying girl, he wanted to help, and expected nothing in return. He now knows that the cry, was all fake in most ways. Mutt is hurt because he was manipulated, into trying to help a "desperate" Model in need. What he did want in return was the satisfaction of seeing a young girl strive and make it in the business...

jewelsofpaste 10-23-2005 07:10 PM
ok. I cant read anymore of this. But I have to say this to those of you who are suspect of Mutt's motives.
Mutt has done a ton of everything for me as well- for nothing! Including (from a very long list) designing an entire site for me as well. I was staggered by the amount of work and patience he offered as I watched this Ashley saga unfold.

It amazes me still that I had to come to the porn industry to find people with this kind of character.
This was a staggeringly bad business move on Ashley?s part.

Mutt, talk to you later. You are a DUDE! Thanks for
everything.

tony286 10-23-2005 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GotGauge
Mutt Listened to a crying girl, he wanted to help, and expected nothing in return. He now knows that the cry, was all fake in most ways. Mutt is hurt because he was manipulated, into trying to help a "desperate" Model in need. What he did want in return was the satisfaction of seeing a young girl strive and make it in the business...
Someone who is desperate you dont have to beg to do things.

Mutt 10-23-2005 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Head_Hunter
So you are the one basicly causeing the problem for all the afilliates. This all could be simply fix sell the girl here shit and move on. You threw in the towel and now you wanna bitch about her this and that.

Smooth move guy you say you don' care about makin $ but you fuckinin us but hey thats ok. Shit gets forgiven but not forgotin.....
tell me how many signups you've sent her - i'll write you a check personally - based on projections from your last couple of months.

for the last time - no move by me was EVER going to be taken that would damage a current affiliate. this was Ashley's decision 100% on her own to just run off and send that mass email out to her affiliates.

in fact in my email to her again I told her I thought she was a smart girl and to think about things and come up with a solution - that she would determine how things played out from here. in that email she warned about copyright issues - the only thing she was warned about that would affect affiliates were NEW galleries put up with the content in question.

end of story. again.

woj 10-23-2005 07:11 PM
350..........

tony286 10-23-2005 07:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jewelsofpaste
ok. I cant read anymore of this. But I have to say this to those of you who are suspect of Mutt's motives.
Mutt has done a ton of everything for me as well- for nothing! Including (from a very long list) designing an entire site for me as well. I was staggered by the amount of work and patience he offered as I watched this Ashley saga unfold.

It amazes me still that I had to come to the porn industry to find people with this kind of character.
This was a staggeringly bad business move on Ashley?s part.

Mutt, talk to you later. You are a DUDE! Thanks for
everything.
its character to help someone who wants to do nothing and your doing all the work? Im confused lol

spunky99 10-23-2005 07:17 PM
links were dropped a few days ago.. will never put them up again

LexiLexxx 10-23-2005 07:19 PM
I'am shooting, Ashley...

For the next couple weeks and that, she has been advised not to post in this thread anymore and to her affiliates who have any questions or concerns know how to contact her.

I already had Ashley on the books to shoot, before all of this. I'am local to her.

Thanks
~LL

CC 10-23-2005 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by venus
I do not know what her website bills are, but mine are about 10k a month...every month.
that does not include all the federal tax stuff I have to pay every quarter.
Venus, the girl was making great money, plain and simple. *If* she would have played her cards right, her income would have risen every single month for many months/years to come. Not too shabby for a 22 y/o girl.

GotGauge 10-23-2005 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkland
Thats 4 actually. I just stay outta the spotlight and I doubt anyone knows that I am co-owner with Aron. But she is def. up to here same old tricks, if she is doing the same shit she did with us then she is obviously not planning on changing her ways anytime soon. How many chances does she expect to get, burn enough bridges and it soon becomes hard to build new ones. I wonder how many peoples ICQ's she is burning up trying to find new friends and suckers. Heads up guys, when she gets what she wants you will be dropped like a bad habit.

John

I have also stayed away from the boards, they eat up to much time.
If people send me threads, I check them out. Well, I had about 20 people send me this thread, and when I seen it, I had to reply.
My business partner john, said exactly how we feel, and the last line should be read over and over again...

sonofsam 10-23-2005 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LexiLexxx
I'am shooting, Ashley...

For the next couple weeks and that, she has been advised not to post in this thread anymore and to her affiliates who have any questions or concerns know how to contact her.

I already had Ashley on the books to shoot, before all of this. I'am local to her.

Thanks
~LL
advised her to ignore the affiliates she is fucking over? smart play!

georgeyw 10-23-2005 07:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LexiLexxx
I'am shooting, Ashley...

For the next couple weeks and that, she has been advised not to post in this thread anymore and to her affiliates who have any questions or concerns know how to contact her.

I already had Ashley on the books to shoot, before all of this. I'am local to her.

Thanks
~LL
Why would you advise her not to post here? Maybe if she posted here she could address concerns of affiliates?

I for one am 100% confused with this whole saga!

Nothing has been explained properly - it almost seems as if she has misunderstood Mutt and that the existing hosted gals will be fine along with the existing ccbill links - but who fucking knows????

Ashley should post in this thread/GFY so we(affiliates) know what the hell is going on! Telling her not to post here is just plain dumb.

Young 10-23-2005 07:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofsam
advised her to ignore the affiliates she is fucking over? smart play!
She's not ignoring affiliates. She told them how to get in touch with her. I don't think its unreasonable to respect her/and others' decision for her not to post in thread. "Dumb blonde", "just another girl", "c*nt", "bitch"....etc etc period. I don't blame her.


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