This thread feels like a big ad for twistys (great site, btw)

this is my brand - the one thing that cuts throught the bs in this niche is the girls themselves - surfers in that niche know what they are looking for.

http://www.darklifeimages.com/gnd/crissy1206.jpg

Yeah that's exactly what i figured. The way you are running your solo girl sites you are keeping those REAL <cough STALKER> fans happy and members for life. You are doing it right :thumbsup We'll be venturing into that market in the near future however I believe our focus will remain in the mega site type market.

Yep this is the "T" in true and rebills is where its at!!
No wonder magnatique says you're the smartest dude he knows :)

I not seen Shap in years but I know em well.
And if he is anything like the guy I knew "Way back when" he is not looking to promote twisty's but obviously pondering a solo girl site.

LOL If only it were a surfer board :winkwink:

Actually we have some upcoming projects which will bring us into the solo girl site world. It's not going to be our bread and butter but it will be a part of our company and affiliate program. I've done alot of research and alot of people just don't get it. You got it. You got it a long time ago. Others don't. What's amazing to me is that people don't research before starting a project. Whenever we start something new we do alot of research. We study the competition. We try to see what is working, what isn't and why. Looking at the solo girl sites that have come out in the last year I have to say a whole lot of companies are lazy and haven't done their homework and that's too bad for them but good for you and I :thumbsup

If I had money to burn right now I would make a model of the month site each week would feature a new hot talent then rotate them out and back in if they were popular with members, and if a model really stands out, then spin her off as a solo site.

:winkwink: (i was looking for a shhhhh smiley, is there one?).

Btw my wife will be contacting you about Kayla this week.

I look forward to it.

Kayla is already signed and schedualed to be released :(

But...

Thats not the end of the story. I got some of LA's finest on a list waiting and are qualified for a site:) Got Shapettes email earlier this evening will be fun to see what shakes out :thumbsup

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Ahhh Thanks. I try to keep that a secret though, helps minimize the icqs i get :upsidedow

Now if I had that idea before tonight, but never started it, do I still owe you for the rights to using it? (Just kidding :winkwink: )

Lol, with as many members as you have, you know what model the members want, with our mega sites they tell us, it's just comes down to if you can land the models they want :)

Ahh The power of member feedback :thumbsup

Hey Dean ;)

A: Failure to see the bigger picture, and understand the whole business environment.

"People think they can keep throwing shit at a wall, and eventually something will stick." I cannot take credit for this quote, but a very smart and successful webmaster said this to me recently.

Good Post Shap :pimp

But I think kevin posted my thoughts also.. mind you a word of the wise just because someone posts on a board and talks about how great their site is please dont always belive it you would be shocked at some of the numbers these girls have!! :Oh crap

But hands down crissymoran.com :) shes the real deal!!

what interests me is how many sales does one need to pull a month to sustain a solo girl site considering what webmasters get paid. processing fees. productions costs + fee for the girl.. whats left over to make it worthwhile?

cheers
Nurgle

I agree with what someone else said about this being another explosion like the amateur craze was. When I started certifiedamateurs.com in 99 the amateur thing was huge! It still is huge, but doesn't have quite the exposure that it did. It think you would surprised at how well sites like dreamnet.com and southern-charms.com do for themselves. Its because the girls, all kinds of different girls--every day average girls, work the sites themselves. The sites are not slick tours, they are very amateurish looking. This reminds of the old HiRise/MikeAI days amateur model sites they did this way back in the day, but made their sites looked like the girls created the site and runs them theirselves. Amateur sites work because they are not models by any means, the surfers feel an attraction to them because they are real to them, not unobtainable.

Do most of the solo-girls webmasters make a ton of money?

No. I know they don't. You would be shocked at just how little most of them make.

Think less than most newbie gallery submitters make.

Most webmasters have no idea how to promote a solo-girl site and Dre gave then a few good tips... Hopefully they will take note.

Out of about 40 solo-girl sites that I promote, only a few actually convert regularly.

From what I can gather, they are usually sites where the girl is HEAVELY involved or perhaps it just appears she is (diary, forum discussions... all with a 500lb man in Indonesia)...

To many webmasters and affiliates get caught up in hype.

You shouldn't be too suprised that most copy cat sites don't make shit. Think of all of the Brazil sites that came out after Mike in Brazil. Only 2 of the copies make money, all of the others lose money.

A good rule of thumb for an affiliate looking for something to promote is to read the URL. If it reads like shit, the site sucks ass too 99% of the time.

Ohh yeah...

One more thing... Before you contract a solo girl, make sure she is not just hot to you and 15% of your friends. She needs to be hot to 85% of them. When I say hot, I mean RED-HOT! She needs to be fucking insanely cute. That is another common thread among the sites I promote that regularly convert.

Right now about 85% of the girls coming out each month look like butter faced trash. I talked to a webmaster who I won't mention about a girl he promotes. He thought she was smoking hot. He was so fucking excited to show her around at Internext. He thought everyone would be wooing over her. Wrong! Almost everyone he talked to said she wasn't all that. Her site never went anywhere. I asked him if he went to everyone he knew first before going ahead with her and he said, "No, I thought she was all that and a bag of chips, so I was going to SURPRISE everyone with her. Big mistake I guess."

Yeah, big mistake. Had he posted her here, he would have instantly been told she isn't solo girl material.

Insiteful V-Rocks:)
I do agree it is a good idea to get opinions before taking a girl to "The next level".

Also there are alot of girls out there that run there own sites but the reality is they have no idea about some of the ropes they goto follow, the real deal about traffic or "The bigger picture".

There are a ton of great solo girls out there doing it on there own, that can be said in full confidence so it is the lack of marketing and "Web Power". It is not thier fault at least they are trying it is just a mis understanding in the nature of the web.

I know a good program can make a girl a "web star", its been proven a few times already. So again looks do not matter 100%, it comes down to exposure and the intensity of the girls presence.

That chick you are promoting, AlienQ, she is fucking hot!

AH:)

Thankies man, 2006 will be a good year :thumbsup

I think this part is a lot to do with how I started my business .... and I used the same business models as Carol Cox..... the reason is I worked for Carol Cox for 2 years as one of her main in house content producers.

I started my company based on Sweet Dominique. I wanted to do a Non Nude paysite cuase I loved Non Nude. But building the site with personality like the way Carol Cox did it. I could have done a nude site ( Cuase Dominique shot nude ... I just never released the pictures and video ) ... as time when on I changed the look of the tour and used what was hot... The same as Lightspeeds tours..... and it worked.

So changing with the industry is exactly what you need to do. I also added a ton of content and shared the members area's because I spent so much money on getting that initial sale... I knew that I needed to retain the members as long as possible.


So in short... I started as a single girl site, grew into a network of sites..... but if you look at all the sites in our portfolio... most of my sites are single girl sites.

EXACTLY. You can't believe what you read on gfy. Just because someone says it's converting at 1:4 doesn't mean it is.

I agree and I know you know the backend of things. Most people don't. Most people find a girl, shoot 50 sets, outsource a tour and bam they launch the site. No research. No understanding what works. You had the knowledge of what worked and how to make something successful. Even with that knowledge I'm guessing it was alot of hard work to make it work. That being said the people that do no research are rolling the dice hope the girl will do all the work.

That depends on how much you want to make.

Exactly what i mentioned earlier. Those are (mega or at least multi model) sites that don't rely on one girl. It's a completely different business model than the companies throwing up one model and calling it a paysite.

I couldn't agree with you more. Great Post :thumbsup

You bet. I think alot of people running the solo girl sites for the girl are doing so just to be close to the girl. I know one big name company that has managed to sign alot of girls but allegedly always tries to fuck them. That and they under deliver (because they have didley fuckin squat for traffic) and eventually most of their girls leave. And as a result over the past 2 years they've had alot of girls leave their program. However if you go by GFY everybody would think this company is huge LOL in reality they are nowhere near huge. :1orglaugh

Most solo girl sites typically consist of glorified strippers. There are two girls I promote and do well. I have tried many with little or no success.

My neighbor and friend is blowing up the solo seen with twins and the hottest solo sites right now.. http://www.teenrevenue.com/

His numbers are amazing and he is everywhere

I've seen his sites. He knows what he's doing :thumbsup

Funny but as I read through these posts...I agree with virtually all of them!

Just my thoughts but I believe that there is a BIG difference between a "solo model site" and a "personality site". Allie, Vanilla, Brandi, Raven etc do well because (other than they are Hot) the members have the opportunity to get to know them..fall in "love" with them...and interact with them.

The great people over at Medium Pimpin have had success because their solo models (other than being Hot) have a huge fan base and name recognition not to mention solid back ends (no pun intended)

IMHO the solo model sites that lack either personality/interaction or a solid fan base/name recognition will have limited or short lived success. The difference for us couldn't be more clear when you compare BrandiLove vs SinamonLane

Both are beautiful, both have tight, athletic bodies...Brandi does 9 times the joins per rmonth and retains...she answers all her email, does her diary every day, cam shows, stories etc etc...Sinamon...fun..but flakey...

There seems to be a consensus here that there will always be room for solo sites, but the ones that survive are going to be the ones in which the model plays a very active role in updating/maintaining the site and communicating with the members.

I've been promoting offical pornstar sites for years and it's become very obvious that is the most important factor.

the interactivity thing is overrated. what percentage of members do you think turn out to a camshow? what percentage register for a girl's forum?
the vast majority of members want to download the pics and videos and jerk off. updates are very important, decent quality photos and videos - and a good model

there is an edge to having an interactive site but it's less than people think.

Perception is Reality. I think if you have the staff to create the perception among surfers (and webmasters to some degree) that the model is really part of the site (that she answers the email and that she is really listening to the surfer) then your chances for success increase greatly.

MikeAI wrote the book on that long long ago. He invented this niche - one day somebody other than me will recognize him for it.