I was speaking in terms of a program that has existing architecture to market a site. Obviously, if you have problems getting traffic to a site, exposure elsewhere has its benefits.

When you do have the means to put a product out there and get traffic to it, having the model also being marketed by 5 or 10 other large programs makes you uncomfortable as you pay out the start up costs for a site.

Magazines are buying web girls for layouts in their titles because so many of the great new discoveries these days are being sourced by web entities and not by photographers that submit for print exclusively. Nowadays, a photog that submits to print exclusively is a rare thing and most have an internet presence in either site development or content sales.

I'm bookmarking this thread for later. I really don't have time to read it all right now and post a reply, but I liked the first post a lot Shap, and I look foward to reading the replies.

The problem is the new guys to shooting are starting on the Net and some not developing the skills to sell to magazines. Then the new guys being strapped for cash and waiting 3 to 9 months makes life tougher.

Add to this the old guys retiring and you have a shortage of new girsl being found by us.

but don't worry Eva shot two film sets for you today. :1orglaugh

tASSy re naughty allie and vanilla deville. We find one of these kind of girls once a year and that's why they're so easy to sell. But she will also be in big demand from others and will be expensive and there's the problem.

I almost went into a partnership with a friend of mine for a solo-girl site. Did a lot of work to get it going and then I had to stop. She told me that she was starting to feel uncomfortable around my friend. Like he was becoming obcessed with her. I invited him out for a beer, got him wasted and then asked him about it in a round-a-bout way. He spilled the beans and I decided he was going to fuck the website over by scaring her away before the launch.

So I am still just an affiliate.

Yep. It's sad. Unfortunately I believe the majority of photographers are in the industry for the exact same reason :disgust

Exactly, theres one for everyone. Most programs have solosites with a brunette, freckles, redhead, slim, big boobs, cupcakes, you can choice and with the proper redirection of traffic theyre small goldmines.

I did pretty well with a solo girl site about 2 years ago - girl was good at promo - worked her tail off... until she got a new boyfriend.... then everything went to hell!!!

only a select group of these sologirl sites will do well, the rest are fillers.

thats with solo you gotta shoot in advance, bf, holidays, periods, bad hair days... you gotta have stock content

one more bump for you! :)

crazy man. a 4 page biz discussion? GFY....are you ok....

One area I look to spend some time with this year is getting the Hustler brand into the solo girl site arena. It is a two tiered plan really. It would serve in a capacity similar to the "Cyber-Girl" initiative.

Having the retail stores in tourist destinations, the clubs around the world, Hustler Live, I see an opportunity for solo girls to scale the entry into the business.

What I think is really cool... is that through all the different forms of promotion we have...when you see a girl come up through that seems to have some real momentum... you have print, video, and live appearences to get the name and the face out there.

We have some new contract talent for 2006 that will be easy to convert and we will also have a gateway to becoming a Hustler Honey through solo girl sites, dancing and then on from there to the varsity squad.

I look forward to 2006 for Hustler...it is going to be a great year!

They might be in this section of the porn industry but where I am it costs way too much to shoot a girl only to be close to her.

If i'm reading that the right way that's an extremely sad statement.

Wow, great thread!

I will toss in my :2 cents: here.
This is from almost 9 years of running the same website, talking to others and helping others with their sites when they had problems. My conversations with other amateur sites have always been very blunt and honest, not the glamour, advertising stuff that people say on here.

The solo girl craze (I have not personally noticed it any more then usual) is nothing new, there has always been people who thought it was the best and easiest way to make money. The reasoning behind it, which I have always thought was flawed, still exists and has been stated in this thread. Thats model of having xx amount of sites, and making xx amount of sales per day to each and the outcome ,making lots of money. Some people can do this, most cant, as with any business. The reason I think its flawed is because if you cant get traffic to one site, you damn sure are not going to get it to 100 sites. I know allot of people who tried this and 99% of them have shut down.

But in general, most sites, not only solo girl or amateur, barely make it, if they make it at all. Even allot of the sites you all hold up and icons and who you envy and try to copy, you would probably be surprised to know the truth - and to me, the truth is not how much a site makes, its how much it actually poskets as profit.
the future of sologirl sites is the same as its past. Few will make great money, some will make allot, most will hardly make it.

I know. I'm surprised myself. I guess there's still hope :winkwink:

Great Post Venus

This is a great thread. Thanks to all who have shared!

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