Now STFU..

http://www1.yadvashem.org/exhibition...otographs.html

Aerial photographs of Auschwitz taken by the Allied Air Forces during World War II were first exposed in 1978 by Dino Brugioni and Robert Poirer, two aerial photo- analysts who worked for the CIA. Using historical research material, they re-analyzed aerial photographs housed in the Defense Intelligence Agency Archives in Washington. Yad Vashem was able to acquire copies of some of these photographs in 1980 with Elie Wiesel?s help, and when former US president Carter visited Israel in that same year, he brought copies of the original film reels. The Allied Air Forces came to the Auschwitz area because of the important war industry located in this region of Upper Silesia (Polish territory which was annexed to the Third Reich in 1939). In early 1944, there were intelligence reports of a giant fuel and artificial rubber factory in Monowitz. On April 4th, 1944, a Mosquito plane from 60 Photo Recon Squadron of the South African Air Force flew out of Foggia base in Southern Italy to photograph the factory. It was the IG Farben factory at Monowitz, only 4km from Birkenau. In order to ensure complete coverage of the target, it was common practice to start the camera rolling ahead of time, and stop it slightly over time. As a result, the Auschwitz camp was photographed for the first time. During that same period, the Allies had commenced planning a comprehensive attack on the German fuel industry, and the Monowitz factory was high up on the list of targets. On May 31st, a second plane from 60 Squadron was sent to the area. This time, it also took three photographs of Birkenau from an altitude of 26,000ft, although the photo-analysts did not identify the camp. The photographs from this sortie show us the camp as it looked 3 days after the arrival of the deportation documented in the Auschwitz Album.

For various operational reasons, the bombing of the Monowitz factory was delayed but the Allied air forces continued to gather intelligence information about this factory and other installations in the area. The South African Mosquito planes photographed the factory and parts of the camp complex on June 26th, August 25th and September 8th.

Meanwhile, the US Army Air force also started carrying out sorties in the area. The first American sortie to the Auschwitz area was carried out on July 8th by an F-5 Lightning plane from the 5th Photographic Reconnaissance Group of the 15th US Air force, operating from Bari. The information gathered in this sortie and in the British sorties, was used to plan the first bombing mission of the Monowitz factory on August 20th, in which the factory was damaged, but was not destroyed. The second bombing mission was carried out on September 13th, and the photographs taken during the bombing by B-24 bombers of the 464th Bombardment Group include a photograph showing bombs being dropped over Birkenau. Afterwards, further sorties were carried out to estimate the damage, and the Germans? progress with its repair. The 5th Photographic Reconnaissance Group?s Lightning planes also flew over the Auschwitz area on November 29th, December 21st, and finally on January 14th, 1945 ? only two weeks before the liberation of the camp by the Soviet Army.

It should be noted that the photo analysts never realized the significance of Birkenau, although Camp III, which was next to the IG Farben factory was identified as a concentration camp.

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I'm a scumbag because I quesion the events of WWII ?

There should be debate on every historical event. Whatever people say is colored by their own prejudices (I'm reminded of a recent biography of Mao, which makes all sorts of wild claims, but still backed up by documentary research of some sort of other). To claim something is 'the Truth' - not that you're seeking the truth, but that it is 'the Truth' - is audacity of the highest order.

Thats not going to prove 6 million jews were killed nor will it prove there was gas chambers..

Your not going to get anywhere arguing with him about it , because he obviously believes little of the facts..

The plain and simple fact is , making up a story about gas chambers would make absolutely no sense.

Inflating the numbers for more $$$ does make sense..

Thats the only "misinformation" i feel was/is spread about the holocaust

you are either trying to get mad views in which you succeeded or you are just a flat out moron by your statements. I think the latter....

These photos prove nothing. Show me a film of someone being gassed at Auschwitz. Guess what. THERE ARE NO FILMS OF ANYONE BEING GASSED AT AUSCHWITZ. NONE.

The most probable Truth about the Holocaust...

1.) Hitler had prison work camps, just as Stalin did.

2.) Many facts about these camps have been exaggerated. For example, the once common stories about "soap made from the fat of Jews" and "lampshades made from human skin" have been abandoned as Urban Legends, or outright lies.

3.) The purpose of the camps was primarily work, not genocide. Large death counts were the result due to the work. People who could not work were also killed.

4.) People other than jews were heavily persecuted. Gypsies, Slavs, homosexuals, and even Catholic priests wound up in the camps. Jews were predominant because a.) there were more of them living in occupied territories, b.) they were associated with communism, and c.) they were the Yuppies of the 1930s.

5.) The 6 million death count is probably an exaggeration. It is probably closer to 3 million.

6.) Over 50 million people died in world war 2. An additional 20 million died under Stalin, and an estimated 30 years died shortly after WW2 under Mao. And, about 5 million died in Africa (disease and business as usual). For some reason, during this horrifically bloody period, the plight of the jews is expected to be viewed as particularly tragic.

7.) There is absolutely no reason why there should be Holocaust museums in places like Virginia and Texas (but there are). It would be like expecting Isreal to erect monuments to the Alamo and Bull Run.

Flame away if you like. But those are the facts

As usual none of the Holohoax supporters even attemted to refute my claims. Just screech screech until the topic dies.

No, you're a fucking scumbag because you follow the neo nazi school of thought "the holocaust never happened".

what a moronic thread.

thread starter needs :helpme

Some of us believe in free speech.

Obviously you don't.

You didn't "question" the events, you posted your "opinion" as FACTS.

and i quote "the holocaust is a myth",

well its pretty clear regardless of your slanted view that a holocaust DID take place, so your wrong , and dont wonder why people call you a scumbag..

Trolling with a purpose to appear as a troll?

Moron...

Questioning something doesn't make you criminal. Jews should welcome holocaust investigations. Instead they display this fake outrage - "HOW DARE YOU!!!11"

you calling me a nazi? :1orglaugh

my post was sarcastic. all you need to do to prove the point is bring up the fact the Auschwitz memorial plaque has been changed and the numbers reduced on it. :)

anyone who knows history in general knows numbers are always exxagerated, and this can easily be shown by the plaque being changed from 4 million to "about 1.5 million"

but i dont get wrapped up in the hate trolling. it gives me a headache.

What about people who state it as a fact that holocaus did happen?

Yet one more reason to question the "facts".

Anyone time someone attempts to ask questions about the holocaust they are met with threats and ad hom attacks.

Why is that?

What are you trying to hide?

Mad views for what his ignorance, He's taken down his sig.

here i will assist you.

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"4 million" plaque in 1948

http://www.aryan-nations.org/images/ausplaq1990.gif

"about 1 and half million" as it is now

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What exactly are you trying to prove? Who are you talking too?

Even if some of the stats or certain situations were exagerated, the very least that they (Nazis) deserve is to be known as one of the sickest group of animals to ever exist on earth.

You are a disgrace to all the innocent people and small children that suffered during that time. I hope you rot in hell just for implying that the Nazi's don't deserve every disgusting claim ever made towards them.

I'm getting really tired of all the attention whoring trolls...

I went to Aushwitz and I went to Birkenou, the shit you see there is no fucking joke, the numbers may be a little off, but when you see the scrapes on the walls in the chambers from people trying to do anything they possibly can to get the fuck out, it really hit you, hard. These people were starved, tortured, experimented on, and systematically killed, not only jews but a whole bunch of other ethnicity's as well. So maybe no one will ever know what the REAL numbers are, but does that even really matter, just take a look at the whole situation, as a whole, this shit happened, and god forbid it ever happen again.....

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All I know is my Great Grand parents were and the only survivor was my grandmother

This nether proves nor disprove anything.
And many other facts have been admitted and proven such as the use of jewish slave workers to produce cars for several euro-countries.
nice guess , but neither you nor i have any idea about the true purpose other than the outcome

so they hated lots of people , great point

again thats your opinion , you weren't there you didnt pick the jews.
i think most people agree on this
some people would argue yes , some would argue no , i would argue all death sucks..

if someone wants to build an 800 square mile cemetary for one body , who are you to question them ?

Learn to read you fucking idiot.

Challenging the Holocaust doesn't translate to hating the Jews and loving the Nazis.

Sounds like you and your ilk are the ones that are trying to stifle debate.

Look into the history of the 6million myth.

The same number was conjured up after the first world war.

The post WW2 number assumed any and all dead/missing were due to Nazi extermination programs. No differentiation was made between those who emigrated, died of starvation in cities, died as soldiers, died as civilian casualties.

Why do you refuse to even examine these issues?

If you want to believe in Revisionism, thats cool. You would have to overlook a lot of other evidence, stories, and dismiss is at bullshit to truly think the holocaust never existed.

I watched that David Cole video for a few minutes. He starts talking about the hospital for the patients and makes a comment "How come nobody talks about this building. The purpose is undeniable. I guess its easy just to not complicate things." With comments like that, I wonder how objective he is....

I think you should "learn to read you fucking idiot."

I never said anything about you hating jews or loving the Nazis. I said you're a disgrace for even challenging the Holocaust.

I will give everyone cliff notes..

The numbers were most likely inflated but the indisputable evidence suggests the nazi's were a bunch of sick horrible cretins who murdered millions of innocent civilians. There is no direct evidence to prove the amount of people claimed to have been "gassed" were really gassed , but the results speak for themselves..

We cant get back the money we have given israel and africans cant get back the money the u.s.a. stole from them .

end of story..

Another Loser hits the boards and the net. After seeing other posts by you I knew you were already a douche.

It's so sad there are ignorant ppl like you alive, your right up there with the president of Iran who makes the same comments.

Part of my family were taken from Rhodos (greece), never to been seen again..... No worries - alot of us jews in this industry and board will remember your name and just kick ass your ass to the curb if you ever ask or need anything...

Loser

Reading CamRabbit's posts and defense of his absurd and assinine views - I'm strongly reminded of a scene from Good Will Hunting.

Robin Williams (paraphrased):

"If I asked you about art, you'd probably give me the skinny on every book ever written. Michelangelo, you know a lot about him - his life's work, political aspirations, sexual orientations...the whole works, right? But I bet you can't tell me what it smells like it in the Sistine Chapel. You've never actually stood there and looked up at that beautiful ceiling. If I asked you about women, you'd probably give me a syllabus of your personal favorites. You might even have been laid a few times. But you can't tell me what its like to wake up next to a woman and feel truly happy. I'd ask you about war, and you'd probably throw Shakespeare at me - "Once more into the breach, dear friends." But you've never been to war. You never held your best friend's head in your lap and watched him gasp his last breath while looking to you for help."

I strongly suspect CamRabbit has never been to Germany...never visited the horror of the concentration camps, taken a tour of the gas chambers or listened to accounts of survivors and eyewitnesses face-to-face. He's never smelled the permanent stench of death and despair, or gazed in to the eternally haunted eyes of a holocaust victim.

My only question on this ... WHY THE FUCK IS GFY ALLOWING THIS TO CONTINUE?

do they feel converse is good for site traffic?

Jewish organizations love talking about, and expressing outrage over, the holocaust, but besides their own concerns, what advocacy do you see them performing today to prevent genocide in general?

What did they do in Rwanda? What have they done to commemorate the Armenian genocide in WWI? What have they done for the Kurds? What have they done for Tibet?

What are they doing to the Palestinians? Are they helping to liberate the Palestinians or are they treating them with some of the same racism that they endured themselves during WWII?

My question for Jewish organizations is this: was the holocaust so awful because Jews were murdered, or because human beings were murdered? If the latter, then walk the walk. Fight for human rights, not just Jewish rights.

My point, I guess, is more relative to an oral history. I've been listening to and watching the video which is about nothing more than the gas chamber at Auschwitz.

If you really believe that the Holocaust didn't happen, you still have a few years to make an effort to speak with real survivors that lived through these camps. Not that there isn't tons of personal accounts documented in every fashion imaginable.

My point - if you really think there wasn't a mass extermination I challenge you to come to my town and speak with some survivors of the death camps and tell them straight faced they are wrong. I'll buy your plane ticket, put you up in a hotel and give you money for food although I imagine you'd be eating alone. No BS, you just need an exercise in humility.

That's my 2 cents.

Brad

man wtf r u talking bout? really! ur fucking insane...

what bout 1000s of people all around the world who did survive the death camps
is this 1 one giant scam to u? they teamed up and 1000s of people all around the world tell the same story with so many facts? STFU!

how can u even say that shit man... come to israel , to "yad va shem" this is a fucking huge museum with all the evidence you can really want , film,pics,stuff from the death camps, LIVE testemonials from true survivors of the place...

u have fucking no clue wtf ur talking bout

100s of death camps all around the world , 100s of live whitnesses , pictures , films ,
yeaa all giant scam in order to take over the world no?

Shut the fuck up you stuped motherfucker

This guy is a kook and dont know shit, his a little Fag boy that just sucks on cock. Get the fuck out of here you stuped motherfucker, when i catch you somewhere iam gona put my dick in your ass and that will teach you dont say shit to people you dont know you motherfucker

a scam in that direction simply isn't possible people who lived through this are still alive to insure that these things infact did happen and I have more trust in my family than I have in a nazi vid.

My grandfather was in WWII and I have heard first hand accounts from him on what he saw during that time with regards to the nazi's and their concentration camps/gas chambers. My grandfather was a kind and gentle honest man that under normal circumstances would not hurt a flly. For over 30 years he kept what he saw during the war to himself, then he confided in me some of the things that he had witnessed over there.
here are some facts for you....millions of people of all ethnic backgrounds died during WWII, the exact number we may never know for sure. Nazi's did kill people in large numbers in concentartion camps and regardless of the numbers race or religion it is a travesty that anyone should have to endure the things that the Nazi's put these people through.

The bottom line is to say that the holocaust never happened is like saying the world is flat.

oh there is one more fact that I almost forgot....CamRabbit is an ignorant retard!! I pity you

All I was saying is that ACTUALLY BEING THERE and seeing it with your own eyes, puts what happened into percpective, I honestly don't care about the numbers it could be 1,000 for all I care, what I'm trying to get across, is that percecution of any one race, is just totally uncalled for, and we need to learn from the mistakes made in the past.....

other than that I have known neo nazi's doing my military time and you have no idea how fucked up and brained washed they are...
Not many of them went through the stay without going to prison. (some of the only persons I would have have like to see die)

just like you are becomming brainwashed or extreme sigwhoring - either way your kinda retarded...

This thread is fucking unbelievable! Complete and utter bollocks.

And I can tell ya now, it has nothing to do with Colo, it is just a troll.

Why would anyone post stuff like this and actually display a sig with their own company in it??