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nico-t 12-23-2005 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks
GWB is trying to keep our country safe and promote freedom around the globe.

are you on crack?

sickbeatz 12-23-2005 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
"Everybody already knew" except for every major intelligence agency on the Earth which all agreed that Iraq possessed...and/or were attempting to reconstitute their production of...or were trying to acquire WMD's/WMD materials.

The only WMD's were the ones sold to him by the US. However, during the first gulf war -- the US took all those weapons back.

LittleMack 12-23-2005 06:53 PM

The one thing that I can say and not a fan of the current administration, is that both Clinton and Carter and others have used warrentless wiretaps on citizens.

Diego 12-23-2005 06:56 PM

I think... "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it's the only thing that ever has".

Margaret Mead.

Diego 12-23-2005 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
You are not correct. The President via the War Powers Act (granted to the office of the President many years ago) upon his order and his order alone can engage our military anywhere at any time without anyones approval. In the case of Iraq...the Congress during Bill Clintons term of office not only called for but approved the overthrow of Saddam and the Baath party...so President Bush without ever requesting the approval of Congress in session during his term could have ordered the invasion of Iraq via the powers granted to him by the War Powers Act and or the resoution passed by Congress during the Clinton years which called for the overthrow of the Iraqi government.

President Bush chose not to excercise his power but chose instead to request new Congressional approval which was overwhelmingly granted to him providing him with new power to use the military "as he sees fit".


that's kinda fucked, eh? Dear God, don't tell me you think this is ok?

Shooting_Maniac1 12-23-2005 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sickbeatz
It should be Bush on trial, not Saddam.
Saddams being tried for war crimes because about a hundred people died while he was in charge but not by his orders + several witnesses got the shit beat out of them by prison guards.

Let's take a look at Bush. International torture camps, shooting depleted uranium into the skulls of innocent children, bombing the homes of innocent families, sending thousands of people to their death over lies, illegal extradition for torture purposes, invading the privacy of his own country, blowing up the WTC and blaming Bin Laden who was seen on dyalises back in 98 and recycling old videos again lying to the american public, the list goes on...


I hate Bush and yes, i beleive he should go on trial for what he has done (Never happen btw) But to say Saddam should not be on trail for what has done is just ingnorant.

Diego 12-23-2005 07:05 PM

Throw down, webmasters....let's organize a march on Washington. All 27 of us. The rest can hide behind their fucking keyboards as usual.

LittleMack 12-23-2005 07:05 PM

No matter if we like this shit or not, all Presidents have used this power and then some, it is sad but true. :(

theking 12-23-2005 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sickbeatz
The only WMD's were the ones sold to him by the US. However, during the first gulf war -- the US took all those weapons back.

Wrong again...the US never sold Iraq WMD's. Private enterprise did sell materials which could be used for dual use...but all of these materials had to be processed and weaponized...which Iraq did.

Wrong again...the US never took any weapons back...but after the 1st Gulf war was over UN inspectors from '91 to '98 (they left Iraq in '98) proclaimed to have destroyed up to 95% of WMD's/WMD materials.

sickbeatz 12-23-2005 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Maniac1
I hate Bush and yes, i beleive he should go on trial for what he has done (Never happen btw) But to say Saddam should not be on trail for what has done is just ingnorant.

I didn't say Saddam was innocent. However, you need to understand that his entire world and country had a very unstable foundation of violence and poor economics. Comparing the whole situation with everything Bush has done really doesn't look good on Bush's behalf.

sickbeatz 12-23-2005 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
Wrong again...the US never sold Iraq WMD's. Private enterprise did sell materials which could be used for dual use...but all of these materials had to be processed and weaponized...which Iraq did.

Wrong again...the US never took any weapons back...but after the 1st Gulf war was over UN inspectors from '91 to '98 (they left Iraq in '98) proclaimed to have destroyed up to 95% of WMD's/WMD materials.

Okay. Sorry. The WMD materials were `exported' from the US. and the UN... not the US recovered those WMD's :upsidedow

SilentKnight 12-23-2005 07:19 PM

Since it absolutely boggles the mind that since 9-11 the Bush administration has entirely failed to track down the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, I can't get my head around the fact that despite all the hi-tech spy technology and advanced surveillance capabilities the United States and other nations possess these days - this clown has managed to elude it all for years.

I can't help but think that since its probably an impossible feat to successfully hide that long - there is much more behind-the-scenes than what the public is aware of.

I've long suspected that GW Bush doesn't want Osama to be found, for various political and personal reasons we can only ponder and speculate about. Bush postures for the media to appear as though he's doing his utmost to bring Bin Laden to justice - but I'm willing to wager its all a big stage show.

I mean...c'mon - they can zoom in from space and read the numbers on a vehicle license plate from orbit. Sure, the world's a big place...but technology has made it possible to find a needle in a haystack these days.Not to mention there's been a multi-million dollar pricetag on Osama's head for years...yet not one single person in four years has been tempted to turn his ass over to the U.S.? WTF?

In terms of impeachment - stuff like this should also be considered in the formula. What in hell is really going on here? What is the hidden agenda in the grand scheme of things?

theking 12-23-2005 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Diego
that's kinda fucked, eh? Dear God, don't tell me you think this is ok?

If you do not approve of the War Powers Act it was actually passed in 1973 to restrict the previous power of the Presidency.

theking 12-23-2005 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight
Since it absolutely boggles the mind that since 9-11 the Bush administration has entirely failed to track down the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden, I can't get my head around the fact that despite all the hi-tech spy technology and advanced surveillance capabilities the United States and other nations possess these days - this clown has managed to elude it all for years.

I can't help but think that since its probably an impossible feat to successfully hide that long - there is much more behind-the-scenes than what the public is aware of.

I've long suspected that GW Bush doesn't want Osama to be found, for various political and personal reasons we can only ponder and speculate about. Bush postures for the media to appear as though he's doing his utmost to bring Bin Laden to justice - but I'm willing to wager its all a big stage show.

I mean...c'mon - they can zoom in from space and read the numbers on a vehicle license plate from orbit. Sure, the world's a big place...but technology has made it possible to find a needle in a haystack these days.Not to mention there's been a multi-million dollar pricetag on Osama's head for years...yet not one single person in four years has been tempted to turn his ass over to the U.S.? WTF?

In terms of impeachment - stuff like this should also be considered in the formula. What in hell is really going on here? What is the hidden agenda in the grand scheme of things?

The Olympic bomber hid out in a known...relatively small area of forest...and was never found by the largest manhunt in the history of the United States with all of the known technology being used to assist...in the search of this wooded area. He was caught by accident by a rookie cop several years later after having emerged from his forest area to raid a garbage bin. Just food for thought.

nico-t 12-23-2005 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
Wrong again...the US never sold Iraq WMD's. Private enterprise did sell materials which could be used for dual use...but all of these materials had to be processed and weaponized...which Iraq did.

Did any of those ceo's of those companies got jailtime, like today happened to a ceo of a dutch company that sold saddam ground materials to make musterd gas? No. Again very strange.

But lets see if due to this case the sellers of all the weapons that saddam had to hurt people, or even materials to make these weapons, are getting sued. Then youd see the US goverment in court, and i dont think thats gonna happen...

devilspost 12-23-2005 07:41 PM

http://ice.citizenlab.org/archives/i...eld-saddam.jpg

SilentKnight 12-23-2005 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
The Olympic bomber hid out in a known...relatively small area of forest...and was never found by the largest manhunt in the history of the United States with all of the known technology being used to assist...in the search of this wooded area. He was caught by accident by a rookie cop several years later after having emerged from his forest area to raid a garbage bin. Just food for thought.

True that - but at the same time...it wasn't the entire federal administration looking for him on a 24hr basis like they're supposedly doing with Bin Laden. Nor were other countries involved in the search the same way they would be for Osama.

theking 12-23-2005 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t
Did any of those ceo's of those companies got jailtime, like today happened to a ceo of a dutch company that sold saddam ground materials to make musterd gas? No. Again very strange.

But lets see if due to this case the sellers of all the weapons that saddam had to hurt people, or even materials to make these weapons, are getting sued. Then youd see the US goverment in court, and i dont think thats gonna happen...

As I recall there were some companies that did receive fines when they violated orders to cease and desist from certain sales to Iraq. I do not recall if there were any prosecutions and or convictions...and I do not have the inclination to search the matter. BTW...you would not see the US government in court...as it would be private enterprise that would be sued. One cannot sue the government without the governments permission to do so.

sickbeatz 12-23-2005 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by theking
As I recall there were some companies that did receive fines when they violated orders to cease and desist from certain sales to Iraq. I do not recall if there were any prosecutions and or convictions...and I do not have the inclination to search the matter. BTW...you would not see the US government in court...as it would be private enterprise that would be sued. One cannot sue the government without the governments permission to do so.

How about removing the government and trying them?

sickbeatz 12-23-2005 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sickbeatz
How about removing the government and trying them?

+ Freeing the government's people by enforcing unwanted foreign policy and taxing them for their own environmental resources?

Diego 12-23-2005 08:50 PM

theking, we may disagree on politics here...but I damn sure give you my respect as you are a man that takes the time to investigate.

I still may disagree with you, but I appreciate your point of view.

This joint don't need no fucking sheep....educate yourselves.....

Veterans Day 12-23-2005 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleMack
The one thing that I can say and not a fan of the current administration, is that both Clinton and Carter and others have used warrentless wiretaps on citizens.

shhhhh you are talking about GFY's beloved bill clinton. He's no more or less a snake than any other president, total scumbag

MikeyFingaz 12-23-2005 08:58 PM

i feel that bush should (and will be) considered the most incompetent, morally inept, dishonest, and ridiculed president of all time... unless of course we end up with another dipshit worse than him...

Diego 12-23-2005 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeyFingaz
i feel that bush should (and will be) considered the most incompetent, morally inept, dishonest, and ridiculed president of all time... unless of course we end up with another dipshit worse than him...

This is my mantra from here on out..."When you've been involved in this industry for 25+ years, you know a shaft when you see one."


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