Number One, Slappy.. YOUR fucking post was uncalled for. YOU decided to bring your propaganda to the board and you cant take the heat..

Number Two: Take my anger? Fuck you! Take my fucking anger and ram it up your fucking ass. You aren?t shit; you?re like a little mouse biting through a wall. And the only reason I even posted on this piece of shit fucking thread is because im tired of seeing you and your little comrades posting the same kind of dribble on the board over and over.. Dude your now a mouse that had bitten into an electrical wire, keep-chewing rodent and you will catch some copper.

There is nothing worse than an uneducated fuck stick that wants to point the finger at someone better off than they are, just because your family is shit doesn?t mean YOU came from OUR ass.

Wise up funny boy, you have been bouncing around from subject to subject on this thread why? Because you do not have the intelligence to shut your fucking mouth when you know your wrong. When all is said and done, look back at post one of this thread and realize that YOU started the shit, and you will fucking catch the slack for it. Again don?t tell ME where to go with my anger when you?re the snot nosed cunt that caused it. Go suck on a tit and grow up a bit, than come back for some more!

>>Brave Americans???

Some would argue the men who sacrificed themselves flying planes into buildings were brave. They certainly didn't fear death<<

Bobo my friend. You want to talk brave? There was a 26-year-old pararescueman serving in Afghanistan named Jason, I didn't know him but I knew his wife, I went to high school with her.

When our Chinook helicopter was brought down Jason was one of the guys who worked for 2 days bringing back the dead and wounded. He was killed on the 2nd day. When I think about what he did for his country and his fallen brothers, it brings me to my knees.

You wanna talk brave? Try writing a letter to your wife and kids telling you how much you love them and that if they are reading the letter it means you are dead but you'll never stop loving them.

You wanna talk brave? Try being a widowed single mom, serving in the military, suddenly having to raise 2 kids on your own.

A group of thugs planning mass murders, hiding like snakes with boxcutters, slashing women's throats to gain access to an airline cockpit isn't my definition of bravery.

Maybe it's yours, and if it is, I'll give you one thing I've not given you previous to your last post, my pity.

Thanks Jason, some of us in America appreciate your ultimate sacrifice.

Nz

Bobo,

And when you were talking about "America" or "American Jews" you were not making generalities? The rule is, if you say it, it is not general?

To the point, when I said 400 Million I didn't mean that I counted them. They are multiplying too fast so I really can't keep track of the accurate number. However, there are about 1 BILLION muslims in the world. Only about half of them are Arabs. So I think I am more than likely correct.

As for the level of their knowledge, I really don't think we live in the same world. Smart or not, these people are NOT EXPOSED to information that would make them enlightened. Part of the reason why it took the world so many years to leave the middle-ages and enter the Renaissance was because of systematically not approving information for release (both by Church and rulers).

These people do NOT LIVE IN DEMOCRACY! They don't have CNN. For instance, if an Iranian is caught with a satellite dish - he may be beheaded! For the most part they can't read, and they don't speak any language other than Arabic. They don't read your papers, they don't listen to your radio channels and they don't watch your TV channels. All they are exposed to, most of the time, through their teachers, leaders, parents and Mullah - is the lowest forms of propaganda.

In a recent survey it was found that 80% (!!!) of Arabs still think and believe that Jews kill Christian children in order to bake Mazzas for Passover. I don't want to tell you what they think about Americans.

I CAN generelize and say that most of them, under the kind of regimes they are subjected to, are not only un-informed - they are ill informed. Someone is systematically shaping their views. The reason why more airplanes don't crash into tall buildings in America is because America doesn't have a population of 400 Million muslims and because it doesn't neighbour countries like Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon etc. This means the only exposure you have is from those Arabs/Muslims/Palestinians who live IN the USA, and today they are (thank God) under supervision.

Oh, and of course, there are those American soldiers who are looking after you all over the world, doing their "unjust" things.

You should be so lucky to have the right to think and write your mistakes.

Thank you for making that post. That really got to me. I couldn't agree more.

Blame Canada...Blame Canada...with their beady lil eyes and their flapping lil heads...not to mention giving us Celine Dion and that horrible attrocity named Brian Adams

Bobo you are MORON:321GFY

Bobo, I read your post, I love america as much as you do, I think you should have said "American Government" Because alot of them took you wrong, I know exactly what you are saying,
Our Government is always were they shouldnt be, instead of putting the money they use into taking over other countries wars, they outa feed all the homeless, starving children here.
But they are too greedy for that.
Just like they tax a $1.00 bill at the least 4 times, you make your money, they take out taxes, you get what is left and go to the store, buy something, more taxes are taken out, hell they even tax our savings accounts. (and that is money they already taxed, from our pay) Yes our government is greedy.
It is the people that make this a great Country, and Our government that makes us look bad.
As for the towers alot of people died for no reason, it changed nothing, Everyone is still nasty and greedy as they were before it happened. The Government is a big web of lies. and one day, We will have no say so over our lives because of them,
we are not free and never will be,
( I guess more free than others ) but not like we should be.

The Government of the United States, is not a good enity or is it a bad enity. Our Government does what it perceives to be in the best interest of the United States and this is as it should be.

While I do not always personally agree with what the Government perceives as being in our best interests is not of any importance.

Members of the house are up for election every two years, members of the Senate are up for election every six years, and the President is up for election every four years. Our Government is a Government in flux and the people can control who and what our Government is about.

I've been misinterpreted. Please re-read some of my posts.

I'm Pro-America. Believe me, I would sacrifice a lot more than most of those on here who claim they love America more than I do.

All I'm saying is that we excercise some caution.

Nedder, your point is taken. I sympathize with the families of dead American soldiers. It is a horror I would never want to fathom. I also know that many families over in Arab land lose family members the same way. They are flesh and blood and regardless of what system they live in, they feel and love too.

But it's easier to blow them to bits when you think that 400 million of them hate you. That may or may not be accurate. I doubt it is. Common sense tells me otherwise.

At the same time, I want to thank capribex for his last post. I guess that's the grey area. These people do live in darkness and religious dogma and this very fact makes it possible for many thousands of them to hold false negative preconceptions of Americans.

Nobody cherishes American freedoms more than I do. That is part of its strength. I love being able to disagree with some of you and carry on a debate without getting murdered for it. This topic was created merely to invigorate and to be provocative. To re-establish why you feel the way you do about your country and to re-assess whether those feelings are justified. I think this is a healthy excercise.

This thread was not created to have a backlash of hate mongers. Individuals like R3K tried to make it into a threatening arena. That is not progressive or useful.

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the Usa and all Arab nations are exactly alike, with one sole difference USA actually has a lot of money and millitary force, Arab nations wish they'd have a lot of money and millitary force, if roles where opposite , where the Arab nations where the richest in the world Americans would be sending hijacked plains towards mekka

I am definetly not anti american nor am I anti arabs, but all I mean to say that all this Osama and palestine fuzz, is just a mere competion based thing , ''I want to have the most power''

the end of the day no one is right and no one is wrong, is what I think of all this dumb politics bullshit (ok, that sick Osama fuck might be a bit wrong)

Tedster you're right with one thing. The Arabs do wish they had the power America does and they resent America for it.

I do prefer America to have power rather than the Arabs because America is a much more free thinking society. If the Arabs ruled the world like they do the Muslim nations, this world would undoubtedly be an even worse place.

Its amazing this thread shows how many idiots there are out there :) America goes out of their way to help out other countries, and you can bet if we have alot to gain from doing so they we would be more likely to do so.


Two corrections however. The US does get most of its oil from the middle east, the oil we mine, the oil canada mines, the oil mexico mines, all gets sold off. The oil in the Middle East is more premium so we use that, and sell of the oil we mine. Pretty funny that we don't even use our own stuff, but hell we want the best :)

Also the US pretty much only goes to war, when the UN says so. So every country that is part of the UN is responsible, its just we have the best military forces, so we end up doing most of the work. I think the UK is always there right beside us though :)

free thinking?? you got to be joking,

a friend of mine once went to San Fransisco , and he wasn't even alloud to smoke a cigarette on the street , don't know if it is 100% true, but c'mon that is not free thinking,

might seem like a dumb example , but it only shows the high level of hypocrisy in American society

Prog,

Your qoute: "Also the US pretty much only goes to war, when the UN says so."

Don't you realize that statement is tongue in cheek?

The UN IS THE US. You really think any other member of the UN has any say in matters of the UN??? Take a look at how much money the US puts into the UN and it'll be no suprise why the US controls the UN. I don't recall the exact numbers but it the US puts in something like 80% (or higher) into the UN. Whatever the US does will be supported by the UN. They are synonymous.

Money = power and influence.