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Shooting_Maniac1 01-01-2006 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404
one more time hdv is not hd the only true hdcam is the hvx200 the rest are toys.also technology gets cheaper over time not more expensive , my vx2000 cost 2500 new mike souths vx1000 cost 5000 new

I understand tony and we all now know how much smarter you are then the rest of us. However, I think you are wrong on the tech issue, in the case anyways. While it might hold true for most tech items, i think as the demand for HDV or whatever you want to call it grows and people capiblities to use it to its full potential grows, so will the prices. Not long term price hikes, but they will increase.

tony286 01-01-2006 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shooting_Maniac1
I understand tony and we all now know how much smarter you are then the rest of us. However, I think you are wrong on the tech issue, in the case anyways. While it might hold true for most tech items, i think as the demand for HDV or whatever you want to call it grows and people capiblities to use it to its full potential grows, so will the prices. Not long term price hikes, but they will increase.

sony has already dropped their price very few are impressed with hdv. there is good chance cable wont accept it because its a buggy format,with poor sound quality.im not smarter i just hang out in mainstream more than most and my friend is a producer/videographer for the speed channel.The only people excited about hdv are the people selling it and pornographers.if it was hot sony wouldnt already do a price drop. Go on creative cow there is always someone selling their hdv camera.

tony286 01-01-2006 09:12 PM

also I have been to two hdv seminars and I was not impressed by what I saw on the big hd screen they had. Go look at the hvx200 footage that I posted the links for thats truly amazingshit.

FelixFlow 01-01-2006 09:18 PM

can you do 16:9 widescreen with a "regular" vx2100, or can only HD cameras do that ?

tony286 01-01-2006 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow
can you do 16:9 widescreen with a "regular" vx2100, or can only HD cameras do that ?

you can do it with the canon xl2 which is a sd camera . why do you need widescreen if your shooting for the net. wait til the next gens come out , all the kinks will be worked out then if you dont want to wait go with the hvx200. The truth is if your footage is hot it could be shot on a vhs camera people will want to jack off to it . Whats happening and how its shot is more important what it s shot with.

FelixFlow 01-01-2006 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404
you can do it with the canon xl2 which is a sd camera . why do you need widescreen if your shooting for the net. wait til the next gens come out , all the kinks will be worked out then if you dont want to wait go with the hvx200. The truth is if your footage is hot it could be shot on a vhs camera people will want to jack off to it . Whats happening and how its shot is more important what it s shot with.




because i have 2 objectives for video:

1. increase my video quality on my site (right now i shoot with a crappy $400 sony consumer cam, 1ccd...the color is horrible)

2. i want to begin producing & selling dvd, and i want very good quality when viewed on a large tv (dlp/plasma etc), and i'd like to be able to view it in widescreen


video isn't my specialty, but i know what i want...just not 100% sure how to get it :)


advice ?

tony286 01-01-2006 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow
because i have 2 objectives for video:

1. increase my video quality on my site (right now i shoot with a crappy $400 sony consumer cam, 1ccd...the color is horrible)

2. i want to begin producing & selling dvd, and i want very good quality when viewed on a large tv (dlp/plasma etc), and i'd like to be able to view it in widescreen


video isn't my specialty, but i know what i want...just not 100% sure how to get it :)


advice ?

first take classes before buying a camera videomaker mag has great one day seminars all over the country. high quality comes from the videographer not the camera

FelixFlow 01-01-2006 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404
first take classes before buying a camera videomaker mag has great one day seminars all over the country. high quality comes from the videographer not the camera



blah blah blah, i asked a simple fucking question

:321GFY

tony286 01-01-2006 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow
blah blah blah, i asked a simple fucking question

:321GFY

lol then dont say you want high quality and waste my time

FelixFlow 01-01-2006 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404
lol then dont say you want high quality and waste my time


im a photographer, i know all about "it's not about the equipment..."


you assumed that im only shooting for the web so i dont need a quality cam, and i told you i'm shooting to make dvd's and i do

now, vx2100, hc1, or fx1 ?

:upsidedow

tony286 01-01-2006 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow
im a photographer, i know all about "it's not about the equipment..."


you assumed that im only shooting for the web so i dont need a quality cam, and i told you i'm shooting to make dvd's and i do

now, vx2100, hc1, or fx1 ?

:upsidedow

No you told you wanted to shoot high quality dvd's since had a 400 buck camera I was being nice and trying to be helpful. I would wait for hvx200. Vx2100 is a great camera but its not true wide screen. The other two I see as waste of money personally no matter what you are shooting for.

Redrob 01-01-2006 10:08 PM

If you are going to Internext, take a few and go to the CES over at the Convention Center and you can play with all the new cameras.

tony286 01-01-2006 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob
If you are going to Internext, take a few and go to the CES over at the Convention Center and you can play with all the new cameras.

thats also a great idea or go to the nab show lv in april its free and the biggest video broadcast convention show. thats when alot of the new stuff comes out, during that show.

Redrob 01-01-2006 10:12 PM

I like the NAB show better for video production equipment; but, the budget is usually in the red, bigtime, at the NAB.

tony286 01-01-2006 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrob
I like the NAB show better for video production equipment; but, the budget is usually in the red, bigtime, at the NAB.

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Redrob 01-01-2006 10:22 PM

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 01-01-2006 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404
Your stuff looks like avg sd,Im sorry its not amazing no matter how amazing you think it is in your mind. Its not you, HDV sucks is not HD no matter how many times Doug spotted eagle and sony say it is.

Like I said, some will like it, others will not. It's that simple. I know from my own experience that my video production and content do indeed work and entertain people. It gets the job done and done well and what I shoot with has its own look defined by the equipment and way I use the equipment.
Those samples were the first two things I ever did with the camara and since then I know my camara how it works and what it does in situations.

In short I grew into it to understand it.



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Originally Posted by tony404
Most on the web are still on dial up and thats not going to change in the near future.

Thats an overly broad statement considering the growth of broad band in the United States alone, which has increased 3 fold from 2004 to 2005 nearly and of which is also the target consumer of most adult webmasters.


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Originally Posted by tony404
Also this what about the future , the pros in video not pornographers but guys who work for cable tv say its going to be at least 7 -10 yrs before hd really catches on.

People scoffed at the concept that Internet would rival TV. People scoffed when the internet was thought impossible to take out print publications.
Its not Mainstream Media Companies laughing. The halls echoing laughter is that of pornographers running to the bank as mainstream's constant under estimation of the internet trumps em everytime.


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Originally Posted by tony404
Most say hdv isnt going to last its going to be like hi8 and the sound quality on it is weak and the video experience is 60% sound.

Orly? 60%? You lack proof of this claim or you are misinformed about the adult internet audience. Volume is the first thing people turn off in adult entertainment online or to a very moderate level. But I doubt you have the experience to really know what people like on the adult internet or how they conduct themselves while viewing adult based content on the web. I have alot of experience in this, done research on the matter with online survey's and know some of what they expect.

Some of the best recent media productions have been done in Hi-8 especially concerning music videos. Hi-8 is no laughing joke, it has a really special look that people enjoy. Just like HDV it has great attack and some flaws no doubts and every producer oughtah consider the look they are attempting.

I know it is somthing I considered.

Mikey_219Inc 01-02-2006 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow
blah blah blah, i asked a simple fucking question

:321GFY

get a gl2 or vx2100 (i even use a vx2000 i got on ebay for 1k) - canon vs. sony you can argue till the cows come home but both are good - i have gl2, xm2, vx2000

slap on a lens like this:
http://www.centuryoptics.com/products/dv/133x/133x.htm

i think some are confusing hd with 16:9 ...

Cash 01-02-2006 03:51 PM

Sony Handycam DCR-DVD403 with $700 is excellent!
But if you plan editing, a mini-DV is better.

tony286 01-02-2006 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ

Orly? 60%? You lack proof of this claim or you are misinformed about the adult internet audience. Volume is the first thing people turn off in adult entertainment online or to a very moderate level. But I doubt you have the experience to really know what people like on the adult internet or how they conduct themselves while viewing adult based content on the web. I have alot of experience in this, done research on the matter with online survey's and know some of what they expect.
.

Oh Im sorry I forgot you didnt go to school for video and I did. When I shoot a scene i hang a $500 shotgun mic over the girls. Guys write how amazing the sound is hows its like Im in the scene. Now if you use the piece of shit built in mic on the camera I could see sound being unimportant to you. Sound is 60% of the video experience, it would be the same in adult as it is on main stream if it wasnt done so shitty for the most part.


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