this post should have been done a long time ago...i have no idea why he was elected for a second term.

Exactly. Compare the numbers of people against Vietnam and the numbers against war in Iraq. :2 cents:

Executive powers? :uhoh

that's why you should always have a reason for it before you do it, and you do it legally. Unlike Reagan and Bush, who do it because it gets votes from the sheeple dumbasses, and it also gives them an excuse for all their fuckups.

Don't pretend you don't know who Ann Coulter is because she harbors the same warped views.

I'm talking about the fact that you seem a bit detached from reality when you compare prison abuse that has resulted in death in violation of this little thing called the Geneva Convention to .... what was it? frat pranks?

what about them? They don't allow him to break the law. They're not a magic wand. He still has to show cause for what he does before a court. *I* sure the fuck am not interested in giving up my right to a fair and speedy trial and freedom from illegal govt. surveillance for this fucking daddy's boy. Are you?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You really believe all that shit that is fed to you???

Here is what the Democracy Freedom " no rape rooms" USA are doing NOW:

Wolf Brigade

Since you wont even read it, here are some excerpts:

No surprise tough .. your country has an history of backing torture, kidnapping and murder ...

The only thing is that in 20 years, you will re-invade Iraq to " LIBERATE" them again from a " dictator" and give them again " freedom " ... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


Just like in Afghanistan....

As I previously said, dont quit school.... It is not because you graduated that you are educated ...

Bush graduated too .... :321GFY

What a joke!

Give us a real world benchmark!!

How many scandals did Clinton have? As I recall he lost something like 19 cabinet level officials to scandals.

Bush look like a choir boy by comparison.

Good thing people like you werent around during WWII. We'd be speaking German bout now. :thumbsup

Can you really say that outloud? Thats fucked up dude. Bush has not once done ANYTHING to get votes. He has done what he believes is right. Then let the chips fall where they may. Thats why I voted for him. I dont want a fuckin Clinton who leans whichever way the wind blows. I want a President that can stick it out no matter the pressure that the lefty wackos put on him. GWB's dad gave in to that pressure and pulled out of Iraq the first time. We should of finished it then, and been done with it.

Moron :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

I like her, whats your point. Sometimes I disagree with her though. Btw what website do you run? *scratches head* temp1.com? lol

No. Clinton did nothing, he was a victim of a PR scandal machine, none of which ever resulted in anything true because there was never any basis behind any of the charges against him. All PR. Millions and millions of dollars spent, a biased special prosecutor and all you evil fucking republicans could get on him was lying about a blowjob. Congratulations. You really had the country's best interests at heart all during his term didn't you? It's a good thing Clinton did, if he hadn't balanced the budget your asshole president wouldn't have had all this money to spend going to war with a country that never attacked us in the first place eh?

And yet, even with the excellent condition the economy was in when he came into office, he still manages to give the biggest deficit in the history of the nation. What a guy!

I wonder what the fuck passes for brains in your head sometimes.

Nah, what's really bizarre is that every incident now, no matter how small or how far removed or how far in the field, suddenly become GWB's personal behavior, but, with Clinton, even Clinton's REAL personal behavior and REAL criminal wrongdoing was glossed over and excused by the Democratic Congress.

Now that's Coo Coo.

:pimp "Me? I didn't inhale."

Yeah who wants a guy like Clinton? Rhodes Scholar who pulled himself to the top of the world from the worst kind poverty on sheer brilliance and motivation. Balanced the budget. Brought peace to Ireland, East Central Europe and damn near the Middle East. Withstood savage assaults from hypocritical, self-interested kill-at-any-cost Republicans.

I'd much rather have Bush, the daddy's boy who never succeeded at anything on his own, who went AWOL during Vietnam although he was all for sending other kids to die there, who fucked up our economy, who attacked Iraq for no apparent reason, who STILL hasn't caught Bin Laden, whose incompetence allowed 9-11 to happen, who's torturing people, who spys on Americans. Bush is SO much better. It's obvious.

I guarantee you will see prosecutions and inquiries of the New York Times, you will never see any going after any government official over this. (unless of course they are the source of the leak to the NYT's)

IT IS LEGAL! End of discussion.

And as far as moving Terror suspects to other countries and questioning them, a certain Pres Clinton was doing that back in 95.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/na/051....nt4rpl2e.html

Well that's that then. Take care :1orglaugh

yeah, his real criminal wrongdoing. Getting a blowjob. Spare us.

Compare that with going AWOL in wartime and lying to congress about doctoring intelligence to promote a bullshit war that's cost us about 200 BILLION DOLLARS *so far* and trying to suspend the Constitution. I say lure Clinton back into office with free daily blowjobs and get rid of this incompetent prick GWB before he gets the Empire State Building bombed as well.

No we had to spend all that money to REBUILD THE MILITARY, that Clinton broke apart. Talk to some military people that were in service under Clinton. :thumbsup

illegal wire taping: every incident now, no matter how small or how far removed or how far in the field

Torture::every incident now, no matter how small or how far removed or how far in the field

iGuantanamo : every incident now, no matter how small or how far removed or how far in the field

600 billion deficit : every incident now, no matter how small or how far removed or how far in the field

:eek2

Go back to look for the WMD that you know were they are :1orglaugh

What is more shamefull then the conduct of the USA is the apathy of the rest of the world leaders ... just like it was with Hitler . :2 cents:

What website do you have again? :thumbsup

no, it's NOT legal. A president CANNOT wiretap american citizen's phone without permission from a court. If he does, he is breaking the law. The REAL law, not the republican 'no blowjobs' law.

And why do you people always say 'Clinton did it too!' as if the best you can ever say about your guy is that he's smart enough to do somethign that Clinton did before him. The problem is that you're never right. Clinton DIDN'T 'do it too'. Clinton got the necessary legal permissions before he acted, unlike your boy, who thinks he's above the law because he was born rich and never had to work for anything in his life.

we've all seen your shitty fake website. Quit pointing fingers, you do NOT belong here.

The real PR machine was Mike McCurry. Remember him? Remember how stressed out he was? He said his job was "the toughest job in the world." Of course it was. He was trying to deceive the public, and lying is very stressful.

Blow job? The original incident has no legal significance. Clinton could have been lying about chopping down a cherry tree. The fact was Clinton committed major serious crimes by lying, witness tampering, filing a false affidavit, perjury, and subornation of perjury! He knew better. He was a lawyer.

Clinton said a big 'FUCK YOU' to the whole legal system and to every US citizen. With his actions, Clinton said he was above the law.

Now he is disbarred.

:1orglaugh

I was in the military under Reagan dumbass. The military was fine under Clinton. Good enough to solve the problems in East Central Europe. Good enough to keep us from a major terrorist attack on our own soil. Good enough to contain Hussein without getting 2000+ soldiers killed.

Yawn.. Funny no one has proven it to be illegal. Funny that he went to Congress over these wiretaps 44 times, we never heard a word bout it. Funny the NYT had this story for over 1 year, and it wasnt released till right before the recent Iraq election. Treason anyone?

What kind of Broom did you use during that time? Because they sure didnt have weapons to fight with. Are you saying Clinton didnt dismantle the military during his 8 years in office?

No dumbass. He lied about a blowjob, which was the worst charge idiot republicans could come up with after spending millions of dollars and throwing the country into a constitutional crisis in a rabid effort to 'get' Clinton. A BLOWJOB. What a fucking joke we had to suffer thru Starr and all the evil, hypocritical fucking conservatives pontificating like saints on national tv, day after day for damn near his whole term. Win at any cost, fuck the national welfare, just GET CLINTON! Some statemen your heroes are.

And they couldn't even get the job done.

Fake how is it fake? Oh didnt realize this site was only for veterans like you. What a fuckin tool.

Hmm this sounds like what the dems are trying to push with Libby....

You want the country to have welfare? lol

Congressional leaders, including John Warner, are saying Bush lied to them about what he was doing. No one has 'proven' it to be illegal yet because he hasn't been prosecuted yet, but he will be. They're going to have to release a shitload of terrorism suspects because of his (once again) incompetence. He didn't get the info to hold them legally, now that info can't be used in a court against them and they'll have to be released.

It IS funny how the NYT held the story when they could have ran it before the last presidential elections. Liberal press my FUCKING ass.

The military HATED Clinton, with good reason.

He was soft on terror, too afraid of the political winds to be a decisive leader, and flubbed a chance to nail bin Ladin when the military had him in their sights.

Clinton is the biggest sack of shit to ever occupy the Oval Office, and he will probably will hold that title for a very long time.

hey dumbfuck, here's a clue for you: Libby is being prosecuted for outing an active covert CIA agent, not getting a blowjob. There's a difference to thinking people, but none to you or anyone like you. You Ann Coulter fans.

Pretty accurate assesment dude.

Funny how the lefties forget gems like this about the Clinton admin:

*The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance*
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

Just a little sampler, not meant to be a comlete list. For more go here: http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/wwstats.htm

Yup they didnt run any stories prior to the election against Bush. LMFAO!! You have links that show in any manner anyone of any reputable source showing any sort of charges being placed against Bush for this? Im guessing.... NO! Lol. You can quack and yap as much as you like about this. Nothing is going to happen with it against Bush. :1orglaugh

I repeat: get an education.

If it is " so legal" why would Bush care, dumbell???

BTW, no response to the torture article .... To run places like that, it takes a guy like Saddam, or the TRoyal Saudi family, or a dictator general in Pakistan ...

Buy a book. Make as friend :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

No he is being prosecuted for a mis-statement. It has NOTHING to do with the so called CIA agent other than he made the mis-statement during the trial. They COULD NOT find him guilty of any wrong doing as far as Valerie Plame was concerned, but continue with your misinformation. Its entertaining. :winkwink:

I was in the military under Clinton as well as part of the national guard and I don't remember us all 'hating' Clinton. In fact most normal people liked Clinton quite a bit, it's only you moronic conspiracy theorist tinfoil hat wearing conservatives who believed all that shit against him.

Clinton was far more active against terrorism than Bush was, which is why 9-11 happened under Bush's watch. He was asleep at the switch and got us fucked up.

Clinton's a sack of shit that balanced the budget, brought peace to the middle east, Ireland and Yugoslavia. Bush is a sack of shit who publicly worships veterans while he cuts their benefits behind closed doors, who got us attacked on 9-11 thru sheer incompetence, who has run up the biggest deficit in our history after inheriting the best economy in our history, who spent billions on a war that turned out to have no justification, who has tried over and over to kill the Bill of Rights, who has no respect for the law or our constitution, who STILL hasn't caught Bin Laden.

I prefer our sack of shit to yours.

What what? Secrets sold to China? What? lol

Actually Im from Pittsburg Originally. Hey but have fun with that Redneck tag. :thumbsup :thumbsup

yep and the end result of ALL that republican legal harassment, that special prosecutor, that HUGE anti-Clinton PR machine?

He got caught lying a blowjob. Congratulations, that was really worth throwing the country into turmoil over for four years wasn't it?

Yet you have no problem with Bush throwing out the Constitution or Reagan waging secret wars in Central America. You people never cease to amaze me.

Wow. Just the opposite of everything Ive ever heard. Maybe you should watch the show Target Bin Laden that was on the history channel. Clinton had the ability to get Osama 3 times. That was after attacks on the Cole, and the Marine barracks. That was after he issued a Fatima (declaration of war) against the United States.

It could have been anal sex, or even double penetration. Add a facial in there too if it makes you feel better.

You just don't get it.

The LIES and the actions to cover it up and the abuse of power are the problems. The original incident is irrelevant.

Persons before a grand jury cannot pick and choose whether the testimony they are giving is going to be truthful or false depending on the nature of the incident. It must be 100% truthful.

"I am sorry, Your Honor, I plead the Blow Job exception."

We could have spent millions more and it would have been OK with me. No price is too high for honest government. Honest government is not a discount bin item.

1) No one has been accused of outing a CIA agent.

2) Although Plame may have been a covert agent in her earlier days before meeting Joe Wilson, her last six years were spent in Langley, Virginia as an Analyst.... thus there was really no law to be broken

Yes we should let it slide that what 6-8 women accused him of rape... :thumbsup :1orglaugh

The problem is people with your point of view begin with the conclusion that this administration can do no wrong then work backwards from there explaining every situation to fit your conclusion. There is lack of objectivity and discrimination.

Wow. Maybe you should read the REAL news instead of Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh. Then you would know that BUSH was president when Osama bombed us, and you might even have heard that the incoming Bush administration was briefed that Bin Laden was a serious threat by the outgoing Clinton administration, and that they weren't interested.

Clinton opted not to make missile strikes against Bin Laden. True. Just as right now Bush is opting not to make missile strikes against many people, most likely. I'm sorry Clinton didn't kill enough people or drop enough missiles on foreign countries to satisfy you. He can't do everything.

Not true.

Yes, he can, for legitimate National Security reasons.

Presidents Carter and Clinton both did. Want the links?

No, YOU don't get it. He was a good President. A competent President. He was good for the country domestically and enhanced our standing internationally. Republicans didn't give a FUCK whether he was a good president or not, they didn't give a FUCK about the state of this nation or what is best for this country, they were going to 'get' Clinton for something. ANYTHING. No matter what it cost. And a blowjob was the best they could do, and people like YOU still think that was somehow a victory.

Yawn Clinton DID make missle strikes against Bin Laden. Go learn then return. He bombed empty tents, then he bombed a asprin factory in his Wag the Dog Monica distraction. Srsly if you are going to post dont post bullshit.