This thread has some good ol GFY potential :1orglaugh

All we are doing here is offering a very good deal to any mpa3 customer to compare NATS and mpa3. We are not bashing mpa3, just doing the usual thing everyone else would do, which is saying that we are better.

If anyone thinks this is unprofessional then I can not help them. I actually think its quite the opposite, offering people something for free to let them truely compare the products.

Locally on TV Cox Cable and Qwest (the local phone company) have such ads running. Qwest always says "cheaper than Cox Cable" and "faster". Yeah, I think those commercials are pretty tasteless myself.

we've been runing NATS for about 15 months now and love it :)

When did competition in a free market become a bad thing?

I am friends with both parties, and when I say friends, I do not mean, have a drink at a show and call either stand up guys, which they are. Truth is, that they are both good companies, run by guys who are offering great products to our industry.

I got to sit in at NAT's update booth last show, and am impressed at updates that are done currently and in the near future. How does that make MPA3 better, and vice versa? If you can't figure out that competition in this particular segment of our industry only puts more money in your pockets, then maybe it's not for you.

1. Reporting. I like that I can view at a glance stats broken down by date for a given period

2. The exit manager is awesome

3. Overall scalability.

Also, our VP of marketing says she prefers some of the different tools for tracking affiliates not the least of which is the ability to become the affiliate and see exactly what a given affiliate sees when they login. I know the Ad tools module was a big treat for our creative team...you upload a zip file and nats unpacks it and sorts the banners by sizes for the affiliates. There are a few others but those are what made us oooh and ahhh.

I'm not going to get involved with the drama aspect of this thread, besides saying that when two good companies with two good products fight for marketshare the consumers win. We will see better versions of NATS and MPA because of this little feud.
I've worked with both products. When it came time to put my reputation on one of the products I chose NATS.

On a personal level, I love the people in both companies.

I only have experience using NATS, and I'm a fan.

As far as competition goes, that is a tricky game to be critical of.


btw, anyone who is promoting a celeb site right now, you can try promoting Mr Skin via flashcash FREE OF CHARGE. :)

wow killer offer lol

Your customer service has been excellent for us ...

and as you know we have multiple products from you.

:thumbsup Keep up the good work.

I have never tried mpa3 and I think oystien has a good product as well.

But since we tried you first, and you ahve been very helpful and always attentive to our needs on the customer service level we have not had any reason to try any other product out .

So it is truley the customer service aspect we recieve from you that is what keeps us as a client, ( and the product rocks too of course )

anybody that is talking bullshit about your service, is obviously not a client .

Ok, I will try to be the grownup one here... Just one thing. We did NOT have a booth in Vegas, we did NOT go after anyone at the show. We had meetings all day everyday with different people who had contacted us to talk to us. So how in gods name could we go after anyone ? Its not like it say " I HAVE NATS " in peoples face.
But if it was so now that we had meetings with several NATS customers, doesn't that then tell you something about your product ?

You can try to do business in a normal way instead of trying to bash our company. Please tell me what false accusations I have ever said about you or your product to anyone. Now since you can not do that I suggest that you just try to concentrate on being the best you can be. I don't trash NATS OR go after your customers. If they come to me to get an offer I give it to them, BUT contacting them directly OR publicly, no I don't think so, I rather make a little less a month then being an ass.

And the latest posts where we have talked bad about you,, please show...

I love competition. This is a beautiful example of it working in the favor of the consumer. Giving the potential customer the option of comparing his existing solution against NATS is a brilliant move.

We use NATS, it works very well for us. Customer Service has gotten a lot better than when we were first started and we are very happy with the support. The tools and customization is great, the scalability made my tech guys happy. Also, I finally have gotten girls to understand that when I say "I have NATS" that it isn't a Venereal Disease and they can still hook up with me.

Most Importantly though: The sig at on JDavis' post is friggin' fantastic. I haven't been able to read half this thread because of it.

hehe OK one more post then, but then I shut up :)
That is IF NATS can consentrate on promoting their own products instead of lying about us.

You say our market share is going down. Ok, please continue to lie to your self as you are lying to everyone. The truth is that we have never had more customers then what we do right now. You see we don't mind the competition, its you who don't want it. Even though you know just as much as I do that it benefits our customers that we are more then just one company.

Very Nice Offer John.

This is a GREAT Opportunity for one to try NATS and see how good the product is :thumbsup

Plus many webmasters prefer to send their traffic to programs who are using NATS...

What a classic read. This is what GFY is about.

It's been gone over 1000 times. I'm going to tell you the same thing I told you the last 1000 times you brought it up. It was sold. Those who bought it did very very shitty things with it and I wish we closed it rather than sell it but hindsight is always 20/20. I have never denied creating it, running it, or selling it. You keep bringing it back up. I guess you just can't understand the simple things I tell you when you do.

Thats the kind of thing I'm talking about. The personal insults and snide remarks. They've come faster and faster from you guys over the past few months. I'm tired of it. We've simply decided to show everyone our product is better by giving it to them if they have yours. I don't see where in our post we insulted you or anything. It's simply an offer. If they want to go for it they can, if they don't want to they can't. I don't see why you took such offense to it.

so it does work as planned :winkwink:

I said market share not your number of clients. Read a bit instead of just yelling and insulting people please.

I think it works a bit too well. People may be so mesmorized by it that they forget to click it!

Damn, you can click it? I honestly did not even think of trying that <G>

My my,, this is like being in the twighlight zone. If you do not understand where you insulted me then you need to read your posts again. And while your at it, read ALL your past posts about us.

It is not the offer in it self I react to, although its pretty obvious that you didn't like all the good press we got lately, but it was the accusations you made against that I reacted too!

I am pretty sure that your current client also love how you give other companies 3 months off and not the once that have staid with you loyally over the last months and year.

You guys can stop ICQing me a link to this thread. :)

I've seen it.

I've read it all now.

I'm staying out of it.


Chris

John, Garry,

you guys are both ok chaps :) Come one - we have all been on the net doing biz for years - we all know how the game is played. How many times in past years did I give away a higher % for toys, lower prices or give freebies away for design, etc. We are the best, blah, blah and all that just too try and take some market share away from other companies. Competition and biz promo is part of the game. Sometimes I admit I did go a little far and got into some pisses, well so be it...

Both of you have good products from what I have read.. Do a spec sheet, list all features of both pieces of software side by side, pro's and con's and let the webmaster / consumer pick what he or she likes.

Alien,

AGAIN. It was sold. Your conspiracy theories and whatever else you want to spew is fine. Spend less time imagining things and more time working and worrying about yourself and you won't find yourself needing to beg for work in threads so much.

I have no idea what MPA was doing or saying in Vegas this year, but some of this rings a familiar bell.
A year ago when I was considering both products, John et. al were very upfront and helpful; Oystein talked trash about NATS and claimed things about it that just weren't true.
After that, when I was looking for a DRM solution, I looked at Playa DRM and saw who was involved with it and decided I didn't want to go there. Glad I made that decision.
Now I've been looking at members' area software. I like CARMA and probably am going with it, but I never even took a look at one other company's product.
Professionalism DOES go a long way. But there's a difference between aggressive marketing and shots at the competition on a board well-established for trash talking --- and honesty in actual one-on-one dealings.
I laugh at the first.
I make decisions based on the second.

I'm confused...

In your first post in this thread, you made these accusations:

1) "This is not like the first time you go after our customers. But its the first time you do it in public."
You accusing US of going after your customers behind your back in some evil manner.

2) "...on being the best you can be instead of trying to steal from others."
First of all, we are the best (Self confidence never hurt anyone). And then, here is you accusing us of stealing something from someone.

3) "Now its not with out reason people call tomuchmedia the Copy and Paste Company."
Yet another one of those subtle remarks you through towards us constantly and keep doing it more and more.

4) "As for Jason and Alex being the only once that have left you guys... OK If you say so..."
John never said that, he said they are the only ones that left us for MPA3. And that is 100% the truth. Again, some subtle hint towards us lieing about this stuff.

All John said in reply to all of that, that could be counted as an accusation, is that you went after some of our clients during vegas, which is the truth though, and you admited to that yourself in this thread.

Do I understand that correctly? When you meet with potential clients you do not care about their background? You do not check what they do before you talk to them? You do not care about what they use right now to see what you might need to sell them your products? Weird.

You are bashing your own company with the crap you post in here. I have not bashed you in any way in the offer we have given all your MPA3 clients. All we want to offer your clients is an easy way to compare NATS to your own product, are you scared of that somehow?

Alien,

please - let's get real here. I am talking about Nats and MPA. I don't know or really care of about what was posted in the past. John has given his explaination - that's cool with me.

Garry, our post did not make any false claims about your software. It did not insult you. However you had to come into this thread and turn it into that direction. It's simply an offer to show everyone how the products compare. If you can't handle it, I'm sorry :( But please don't start with the "immature" posts and what not.

You know todd, I have tried this in the past.

On our old website, we had a list of NATS features from NATS v1. I emailed Oystein about that when I set it up, asked him to get me a complete list so I can put it in there and people can really compare it, I also told him he can use our list on their site if they want, as long as they keep it up to date as we would keep theirs.

He was not interested in it, I only see one reason why that would be the case...

Alien,

Man, we went over that shit about pornograph back in the day when it happened. The data from everyone was inconclusive, John said he sold it, and I believe him.

I have no idea what your back round with John is, but mine go back to 98 when he would help a noob out in sextracker chat, and I never forgot.

The issue right now is NATS, not Pornograph, if Pornograph interests you, please start a new thread for him to comment in, as this thread has it's hands full already. Thanks.

Ya, would have been nice if you guys would have been like this when we tried to have NATS installed and running. What was it? 4-5 months and thousands spend and we never got the system working and it was for only one site? Sure you gave us back about half the cash we spent but that doesn't mean squat. Was a big waste of time. Even when we could get support to come and look at something they would fix it and never explain or tell us what the problem was, acted like we where bothing them. Sorry our program was small but if this is how your treating the little guys then I would n't want to do bussiness with you.


I know I have kept my mouth shut over this for a long time, but seeing you here touting how great you are while running down someone else really gets me. Let me tell you something. I own a product from Mansion, MAS. I have had it running for years with NO issues. The support has been nothing less than outstanding and they have even custom scripted the members area of the site and it worked the FIRST time.

I have ALL Icq logs, emails etc on this and you know I'm not making anything up here for false drama. In fact, we had such bad experiance trying to get your product installed that we have NOT moved fourth with ANY cascanding billing system. No one asked me to post here and this is all I have to say about it.

I have nothing against working hard or being broke. I grew up pretty poor and have worked my ass off for all that I have. I only have a problem with you spewing constant lies about something you think you know about becuase you heard this and that from someone.

Yes, we refunded you when we probably shouldn't have.

You can't run a program by doing something half assed then waiting 3 weeks and doing nothing and complaining. Then being retaught, helped again, then doing nothing and waiting 3 weeks and complaining again. And again and agan. This wasn't my own expereince but also the same exact thing Gonzo told me (he was working with you on that project). We did refund you quite a lot of the money we paid you even tho we felt we shoudln't as everytime you asked we attempted to help you. Believe it or not it takes a bit of effort on your end to get things done also.

Now Im proud I dont use any of them, these pissing matches are childish.

I agree, pissing matches suck. All we want with this offer is to let MPA3 customers actually really compare both products ON their own systems without any kind of obligation or money lost while doing so.

Hi Nathan,

Well that was a good idea and mabey you and mpa can get together and do this sometime, or mabey a 3rd party.

I like all you guys, we do alot of designs for people who run nats and mpa, also do alot of other biz with customers running mpa.

Laying the specs / facts out is always a good thing - competition is a great thing!!!

Peace

Todd

I fully agree Todd, and this is one of the main reasons we deceided to make this offer. How better to see what each product offers than by trying both?

I agree, pbbucksjohn and Nathan have come across like assholes from the very start years ago. reading some of the things they post, its hard to belive they run a business and im amazed they are not called out more frequently about this.

What assholes....

Competitive marketing never hurt anyone

1. Gonzo had the design done. Thats it. We wanted to put together a nice program together, but due to the Nats issues that didn't work out. As far as I know Gonzo never even did your training. I know he's happly running Nats now, and I wish him all the luck in his projects. He's a good guy and I won't sit hear and try to pass blame on him, he was not a part of the actual system.

2.I'm sure that I'm the only person that has had questions and problems in the beginning of learning a new script.

3. Ya, I was complaining, how long did we have that issue with the billing? how many emails where sent about it, 2 weeks worth, and it took him all of about 2 minutes to fix, course he NEVER told me what we had done wrong in the first place and acted like he was bothered to even talk to me. At that point, yes, I was a little pissed off. It was only after I threatened to just dump the whole project that I finally got and answer in the firstr place.

4. I'm not going to sit here and get into a pissing match with you over this. I took your training, installed your script and had it to the point where it was running in test mode with 3 proccessors, had it been for a little help with some simple finishing touches we would most likely be using it today. But as history shows this was not the case. I think you just had to many other programs being installed at one time to provide the type of support we should have gotten with a script of this size.

5. will I try again? Yes most likely, I never quit due to one failure. I will try with MP3.

As I said, I've run programs since 1997. I have no plans to stop. This is just one of the many things I've been hearing have been said which are totally absurd.

There was NEVER any back door in NATS to access anything.

My programs are less successful today then they were in the past as much of my time is taken up by NATS now. Again, I don't know how you would know my personal finances.

You're really approach the point of legal action now.

You will not be getting another post from me. If you hear from us it will be through legal channels.

Legal action?

Bring it LOL! I beg for it. What I am saying is not false. Its all 100% true and there is not shit you can say or do otherwise that prove what I am saying is false.

I am looking here on how it went down on GFY regarding the porngraph heist. Hell I was active when that scam went down.

Next you are trying to tell me NATS never had core access to its clients?

HAha! OMG

Alien,

Your way off base man.. I like you and all but sometimes I don't know where your coming from.

Are we doing tit for tat here? If so let's all just say mabey both parties have made errors in the past.

John has said he wished he had of closed that site down before it was sold and look MPA apoligized more then once if memory serves me correctly for the Accidental shave or whatever you want to call it built in a previous version. We have all fucked up in the past....

Don't throw bricks through.....

97 Offers :helpme

this sounds like a a classic East coast / West coast rivalry

I say you settle it all with a tag team match at Phoenix Forum:
Garry & Oystein vs. John & Nathan

Team "Dirty Jersey" vs. "The LA Norwegians "

it would be quite a draw and get you both crazy publicity. we could all bet on the outcome here on GFY

I know.. this may be a little off topic.. but I know there are companies that will print checks from the quickbook reports from nats.. does anyone know of a couple of those companies..

I'm open for dodgeball.