Sweeeeeet :thumbsup

What features?

Didn't joinrightnow move from NATS to partnersoft?

John, Nathan, et al. I seriously hope you take these comments as constructive criticism as I'm certainly not going to get into a pissing match with you. This will be my only post to this thread.

I cannot comment on your software nor your customer support because I'm not a client. The reason I am not a client is because of this type of behavior I've seen displayed on the boards since you launched Nats. Early last year when we were seeking a new affiliate backend for NaughtyBank we researched all the "off the shelf" solutions as well as custom options. To be totally honest Nats was on our short list however that's about the same time there were a serious of extremely unprofessional posts on this board by Too Much Media representatives.

I would have to guess I'm not the only company that has passed on Nats for similar reasons. In fact I know this to be the case because I've personally spoke to 3 other program owners who decided against Nats for this very reason. You see, it really doesn't matter how good your software or your customer support is when potential clients don't see the management team as being professional.

My 2 cents: money invested in a public relations professional would go a long way for you guys. Again, my comments are submitted strictly as constructive criticism. I really hope you guys can see that you're shooting yourselves in the foot on a regular basis.

That is a very caked over response.. you should elaborate

No, joinrightnow did not.

Only two companies left NATS: JasonAndAlex and Karups. JasonAndAlex moved to MPA3, Karups are working on an in-house solution.

It's business. Don't be angry just becuase your market share continues to shrink. You went after quite a few of our clients pretty agressively in Vegas and I really wasn't happy with some of the stuff I heard. We're choosing to do it here, publicly. And in a fashion where your clients can compare your software side by side with ours with no obligation or cost. Then they can choose based on which is better, not what lies were whispered into their ears.

Since when have we ever _stolen_ anything from you. Thats simliar to what we're talking about. I hear a lot of things. Quite unprofessional things. Maybe you should choose to say more of what you have to say in public rather than behind people's backs. Perhaps it's becuase there is no basis to it. Thats a little business tip for you. And believe me, I don't need any. There's a reason our product is better than yours, that we have a larger and happier installed base than you, and that we are the most trusted and most used system available. And it's certainly not becuase i'm taking your "business tips".

Yep, more of those little one liners I've been seeing and hearing from you and Oystein lately. Exactly why this post was made in the first place. There's a reason a good number of people have moved from MPA to NATS and it's certainly not becuase we offer the same thing as you, it's becuase we offer a superior product with features your software cannot even come close to approaching. Thats' the simple point of this special.

Like I said, if he wants to discuss it with Alex he should do so privately. I had a conversation with Alex after he sold the program. It's not my place to repeat it, thats why I asked him to contact him privately.

Same to you. The cheap shots aren't appreciated.

Good Luck!

:thumbsup

Point taken. I know you're posting to be constructive. It was largely in response to a lot of what I heard in Vegas and recent posts by the MPA team. It's GFY, thats how it goes. Obviously something is being done right. If we gain a lot and lose a few as a result of it thats fine.

As far as professionalism one only has to not too far into the past to learn how professional the MPA team really is. It's showing it's face again and I'm not going to stand by and watch them say and do as they wish.

This thread has some good ol GFY potential :1orglaugh

All we are doing here is offering a very good deal to any mpa3 customer to compare NATS and mpa3. We are not bashing mpa3, just doing the usual thing everyone else would do, which is saying that we are better.

If anyone thinks this is unprofessional then I can not help them. I actually think its quite the opposite, offering people something for free to let them truely compare the products.

Locally on TV Cox Cable and Qwest (the local phone company) have such ads running. Qwest always says "cheaper than Cox Cable" and "faster". Yeah, I think those commercials are pretty tasteless myself.

we've been runing NATS for about 15 months now and love it :)

When did competition in a free market become a bad thing?

I am friends with both parties, and when I say friends, I do not mean, have a drink at a show and call either stand up guys, which they are. Truth is, that they are both good companies, run by guys who are offering great products to our industry.

I got to sit in at NAT's update booth last show, and am impressed at updates that are done currently and in the near future. How does that make MPA3 better, and vice versa? If you can't figure out that competition in this particular segment of our industry only puts more money in your pockets, then maybe it's not for you.

1. Reporting. I like that I can view at a glance stats broken down by date for a given period

2. The exit manager is awesome

3. Overall scalability.

Also, our VP of marketing says she prefers some of the different tools for tracking affiliates not the least of which is the ability to become the affiliate and see exactly what a given affiliate sees when they login. I know the Ad tools module was a big treat for our creative team...you upload a zip file and nats unpacks it and sorts the banners by sizes for the affiliates. There are a few others but those are what made us oooh and ahhh.

I'm not going to get involved with the drama aspect of this thread, besides saying that when two good companies with two good products fight for marketshare the consumers win. We will see better versions of NATS and MPA because of this little feud.
I've worked with both products. When it came time to put my reputation on one of the products I chose NATS.

On a personal level, I love the people in both companies.

I only have experience using NATS, and I'm a fan.

As far as competition goes, that is a tricky game to be critical of.


btw, anyone who is promoting a celeb site right now, you can try promoting Mr Skin via flashcash FREE OF CHARGE. :)

wow killer offer lol

Your customer service has been excellent for us ...

and as you know we have multiple products from you.

:thumbsup Keep up the good work.

I have never tried mpa3 and I think oystien has a good product as well.

But since we tried you first, and you ahve been very helpful and always attentive to our needs on the customer service level we have not had any reason to try any other product out .

So it is truley the customer service aspect we recieve from you that is what keeps us as a client, ( and the product rocks too of course )

anybody that is talking bullshit about your service, is obviously not a client .

Ok, I will try to be the grownup one here... Just one thing. We did NOT have a booth in Vegas, we did NOT go after anyone at the show. We had meetings all day everyday with different people who had contacted us to talk to us. So how in gods name could we go after anyone ? Its not like it say " I HAVE NATS " in peoples face.
But if it was so now that we had meetings with several NATS customers, doesn't that then tell you something about your product ?

You can try to do business in a normal way instead of trying to bash our company. Please tell me what false accusations I have ever said about you or your product to anyone. Now since you can not do that I suggest that you just try to concentrate on being the best you can be. I don't trash NATS OR go after your customers. If they come to me to get an offer I give it to them, BUT contacting them directly OR publicly, no I don't think so, I rather make a little less a month then being an ass.

And the latest posts where we have talked bad about you,, please show...

I love competition. This is a beautiful example of it working in the favor of the consumer. Giving the potential customer the option of comparing his existing solution against NATS is a brilliant move.

We use NATS, it works very well for us. Customer Service has gotten a lot better than when we were first started and we are very happy with the support. The tools and customization is great, the scalability made my tech guys happy. Also, I finally have gotten girls to understand that when I say "I have NATS" that it isn't a Venereal Disease and they can still hook up with me.

Most Importantly though: The sig at on JDavis' post is friggin' fantastic. I haven't been able to read half this thread because of it.

hehe OK one more post then, but then I shut up :)
That is IF NATS can consentrate on promoting their own products instead of lying about us.

You say our market share is going down. Ok, please continue to lie to your self as you are lying to everyone. The truth is that we have never had more customers then what we do right now. You see we don't mind the competition, its you who don't want it. Even though you know just as much as I do that it benefits our customers that we are more then just one company.

Very Nice Offer John.

This is a GREAT Opportunity for one to try NATS and see how good the product is :thumbsup

Plus many webmasters prefer to send their traffic to programs who are using NATS...

What a classic read. This is what GFY is about.

It's been gone over 1000 times. I'm going to tell you the same thing I told you the last 1000 times you brought it up. It was sold. Those who bought it did very very shitty things with it and I wish we closed it rather than sell it but hindsight is always 20/20. I have never denied creating it, running it, or selling it. You keep bringing it back up. I guess you just can't understand the simple things I tell you when you do.

Thats the kind of thing I'm talking about. The personal insults and snide remarks. They've come faster and faster from you guys over the past few months. I'm tired of it. We've simply decided to show everyone our product is better by giving it to them if they have yours. I don't see where in our post we insulted you or anything. It's simply an offer. If they want to go for it they can, if they don't want to they can't. I don't see why you took such offense to it.

so it does work as planned :winkwink:

I said market share not your number of clients. Read a bit instead of just yelling and insulting people please.

I think it works a bit too well. People may be so mesmorized by it that they forget to click it!

Damn, you can click it? I honestly did not even think of trying that <G>

My my,, this is like being in the twighlight zone. If you do not understand where you insulted me then you need to read your posts again. And while your at it, read ALL your past posts about us.

It is not the offer in it self I react to, although its pretty obvious that you didn't like all the good press we got lately, but it was the accusations you made against that I reacted too!

I am pretty sure that your current client also love how you give other companies 3 months off and not the once that have staid with you loyally over the last months and year.

You guys can stop ICQing me a link to this thread. :)

I've seen it.

I've read it all now.

I'm staying out of it.


Chris

John, Garry,

you guys are both ok chaps :) Come one - we have all been on the net doing biz for years - we all know how the game is played. How many times in past years did I give away a higher % for toys, lower prices or give freebies away for design, etc. We are the best, blah, blah and all that just too try and take some market share away from other companies. Competition and biz promo is part of the game. Sometimes I admit I did go a little far and got into some pisses, well so be it...

Both of you have good products from what I have read.. Do a spec sheet, list all features of both pieces of software side by side, pro's and con's and let the webmaster / consumer pick what he or she likes.

Alien,

AGAIN. It was sold. Your conspiracy theories and whatever else you want to spew is fine. Spend less time imagining things and more time working and worrying about yourself and you won't find yourself needing to beg for work in threads so much.

I have no idea what MPA was doing or saying in Vegas this year, but some of this rings a familiar bell.
A year ago when I was considering both products, John et. al were very upfront and helpful; Oystein talked trash about NATS and claimed things about it that just weren't true.
After that, when I was looking for a DRM solution, I looked at Playa DRM and saw who was involved with it and decided I didn't want to go there. Glad I made that decision.
Now I've been looking at members' area software. I like CARMA and probably am going with it, but I never even took a look at one other company's product.
Professionalism DOES go a long way. But there's a difference between aggressive marketing and shots at the competition on a board well-established for trash talking --- and honesty in actual one-on-one dealings.
I laugh at the first.
I make decisions based on the second.

I'm confused...

In your first post in this thread, you made these accusations:

1) "This is not like the first time you go after our customers. But its the first time you do it in public."
You accusing US of going after your customers behind your back in some evil manner.

2) "...on being the best you can be instead of trying to steal from others."
First of all, we are the best (Self confidence never hurt anyone). And then, here is you accusing us of stealing something from someone.

3) "Now its not with out reason people call tomuchmedia the Copy and Paste Company."
Yet another one of those subtle remarks you through towards us constantly and keep doing it more and more.

4) "As for Jason and Alex being the only once that have left you guys... OK If you say so..."
John never said that, he said they are the only ones that left us for MPA3. And that is 100% the truth. Again, some subtle hint towards us lieing about this stuff.

All John said in reply to all of that, that could be counted as an accusation, is that you went after some of our clients during vegas, which is the truth though, and you admited to that yourself in this thread.

Do I understand that correctly? When you meet with potential clients you do not care about their background? You do not check what they do before you talk to them? You do not care about what they use right now to see what you might need to sell them your products? Weird.

You are bashing your own company with the crap you post in here. I have not bashed you in any way in the offer we have given all your MPA3 clients. All we want to offer your clients is an easy way to compare NATS to your own product, are you scared of that somehow?

Alien,

please - let's get real here. I am talking about Nats and MPA. I don't know or really care of about what was posted in the past. John has given his explaination - that's cool with me.

Garry, our post did not make any false claims about your software. It did not insult you. However you had to come into this thread and turn it into that direction. It's simply an offer to show everyone how the products compare. If you can't handle it, I'm sorry :( But please don't start with the "immature" posts and what not.