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I know Shane is working on a service, you can reach him on icq at 170-164-556. |
ahh come on dude, dodgeball is passé
I am sure Kimbo Slice could be the guest referee for the main event We could dub it the first annual "tag team affiliate software championship" |
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This has got to be one of the most interesting threads I have read in a long long time. I must say it's a very interesting way to do business.
I have used MPA3 for a long time, and must say the support there is better then anything I have ever come across. Plus, the way they are open to customize the littest things speaks volumes. I know this is a competitive market, but I do know Oy and Garry personally, and I could never see them go to the level to almost attack the competition. Everyone is welcome to do it anyway they like, but something here rubs me the wrong way. I've been trying to keep up with all this today as well, and correct me if I am wrong, but are some posts in this thread seeming to disappear or something. I would also love for a NATS owner to contact me and convince me why I need them and not MPA3, this would be interesting to hear. 703 032 Carry on everyone. And for those who are unsure what to use please check out mpa3.com |
Adultmegacash. Thats exactly what we want. A comparison of the two. We are simply offering it for free. Then we get pounded by MPA guys and MPA clients crying about "attacking" and "stealing" etc. Not the point. But people seem to need to drag it there :(
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Also, rather than have a NATS client contact you for the details, which I of course could put you in touch with if you'd like, we are offering you the chance to have the software installed, side by side with MPA, and we will train you on it, so you can compare the two of them yourself, side by side for 3 months and see for yourself. With no contract, no obligation and no cost.
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Thank you for your offer to try your software for 3 months free! However, we would not switch from MPA3 if you gave us NATS for 30 months free. While I'm sure you have good software that its clear you are very proud of, we find the MPA3 software, it's support and the people in the company to be simply unreplaceable! I have been in this business since 1995 and the one thing I come to value more than ever is integrity and reliability and Mansion Productions has demonstrated both to me time and time again. So thank you for your offer but we will pass. I wish you success however as theres always room for everyone to do well if we work together in a positive manner. Regards, Joe S. EntertainmentCASH.com |
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Just saying this thread seems crazy to me, and I don't understand why it appears posts have just disappeared. On a side note people using MPA will defend them, that's the nature of the beast. Just like I would assume NATS clients will defend you if needed. |
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I don't want to switch everything over, that would entail a huge amount of work, dealing with affiliates, join pages, the works. Not something I would want to get into as a trial. What I asked was simple. NATS claims over and over they are far better then MPA3, now they are wanting me to switch. I would like someone from NATS to contact me and explain why it is better and what I would gain from making this switch. |
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How would you like someone to contact you? |
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I'm happy for you that you are comfortable with MPA3 and see no reason to try anything else. This is more like a response I expected from MPA3 customers, and not the bashing that started the second we offered something for free. Success to you too! |
My icq is 703 032
I'd still like to know why Alien's posts were deleted? |
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I honestly wonder what do you mean by more scalable?Mansion have a customer for example who increased its turonver 10 times(1000%) and turned from midisze to very large customer for just 1 year. And system grow with them. It is matter of knowlegde to be scalabe- at mansion there are employees with CISCO certificates,Sun Microsystems certificates,PhD degree in Computer Science...
Hard to image more scalabe products ;-) |
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I do not see how this connects. Sure, the guy with the PhD degree in Computer Science, you would expect him to know how to build a very good scalable system, but who knows? Good that one of your customers grew so much, happy for him. |
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And of course its not only about scalable design but also to actually scale. We just have many many ways to scale the systems. Simply throwing bigger hardware at a problem is not always the best solution. But yes, scalability in MPA3 improved a lot over MPA2. Looking at the database alone shows that. |
good reading.
Good offer from Nats. I really don't see a reason for MPA to jump into the thread and start bashing. If you guys think you are better, compare the features, show you are better, what's the reason behind all the bullshit? I am shopping for a solution, i would like to compare the features of both systems. |
Now I really feel like Im in the twighlight zone here!
How could the posts by Alien be deleted ? I really couldn't see what would make these post any worse then any of the posts that the NATS people have posted about MPA3. Now as fare as I saw Alien only posted links to past Threads here on GFY where all referred back to some of the NATS owners broken history. Now how can that be any worse then you guys always keep on mention the "shave" feature mpa2 had like years ago ? Now getting GFY to delete these posts where low! |
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Us mentioning mpa2 had a shave feature is a proven fact. Alien mentioning the crap he thinks we did is lies and bullshit. Very obvious difference really. |
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This is what we are talkig about :-) What I mean is that we don't look at the code or db and say "wow looks scalable", but we have a real life customer with 1000% increase of turonover and system handled it :-) verstehen ? |
So nats said why they think they are better.
MPA ppl, why you think YOU are better? |
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1000% increase is no info, as little as "midsize" or "huge" is... could mean anything. I have also never said MPA3 can not HANDLE a big client. Anything can handle "huge" with enough hardware in the back. The question is how effeciantly this hardware is used and scaled into. But I'm sure you are not going to give us real numbers, so its a useless discussion. |
What about partnersoft btw? They look very very stable...
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I think this whole thing about TooMuchMedia is?? well a little too much. I am for sure not going to let them have access to my company numbers, I have worked to hard the last few years for that! |
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Thanks for the advice tho. |
For those who think this is an "ugly" or "drama" thread. Reread it from the top.
Insults and personal attacks do not start until Garry posts. I understand his friends will defend him to the end. But to those who are unbiased read it again, from the top, and see where it went sour. |
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$tandaman, I totally agree, AND if you have read the threads and the posts on this board you already know that I normally do not jump in to other peoples thread. But I do think its only fair that I stand up for my company and all my customers when things like this are said "Due to the amount of lies, false information, and exhaggerated claims we have been hearing through the grape vine over the past few weeks" Yeah, look whos talking! "In contrast to our competition, we actually offer full training of our software to HELP you understand how to best use our software and do not expect you to immediately understand the ins and outs of setting up a successful affiliate program! " Now thats another lie. We offer free training to all our customers. And unlike NATS we do not charge them anything extra for the training. AND on top of that we have FREE support for as long as they have the program. We do NOT limit their support to a limited amount of tickets a month. "Our software is MORE STABLE, it is MORE SCALABLE, it is MORE CUSTOMIZABLE and it has BETTER TRACKING than ANY of our competition! See it for yourself!" Hmm ok, if you say so. And what proof do you have to this? What is so more stabile, scalable and customizable with your program ? Give me something to fight back against here instead of just throwing out some rubish! "We are BETTER than our competition and we are CHEAPER than our competition because our product is written in a more efficiant way and thus easier for us to maintain! " So Now NATS is even written in a more efficiant way. Smart to say since our code is crypted. So unless you have hacked it you couldnt have seen our code. |
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Also looking at your pricing http://www.toomuchmedia.com/products/nats/pricing.html make me think that you charge for extra harware(servers added) and Scalability features are only avaialbe on the most expesive version. However if you have a server farm NATS seem damn expesive(charging for each additional server after second). May be you should speak with you sales guys to remove these charges - so you will have larger customer base who use loadbalancing to test it. It is easy to test it with MPA since it does not require additonal licenses for LB and much more people can afford it. however sales is not my expertise - take it as advice - removing this charge will help you test you scalability features. |
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I have been reading loads of threads and posts by NATS where they claim and say all kinds of strange things against us. I have not posted anything in the past, or at least very little. But I can not let them just do what they want with my company and my customers! So as long as they directly attack me and my customers I will stand up for my self. Now if they had just posted this offer of theirs then I wouldnt have said a thing. |
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When we first started out we marketed very agressively against you guys (as any new business should). You whined about it over and over again. We backed off a bit. Then snide little comments like that and other started from you guys and even worse things that I heard were said in person to our clients and potential clients. As I said, we backed off your for a while, and got nothing but rude little comments and cheap shots in return. So we will be marketing very aggressively against you again. I'm sorry if you can not handle it. I lost absolute respect for you and your company when we purchased MPA2 way back when and found the shaving feature built right into the front page of it. Thats why NATS exists today. I have no respect for you or anyone who would help people to steal as much as you have. I never will have respect for you. I tried being quiet for a while and all I got back was numerous little jabs like the one above from Oystein. If thats how you want it to be, thats how it will be. Again, I have no respect for you or your company. I believe you are full of shit and a theif. You even went as far once as to try to blame having a shave feature on the AFFILIATES. The way your company has been run is absurd, unprofessional, and sickening. We've even had one person in here chime in as to how Oystein fed him lies when he was looking at both products. I have had numerous people tell me so. From stupid little things like not having a feature to accusing us of ridiculous things that insult me both professional and personally. You're a liar. You're a thief. |
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Also, additional servers are only $150 after you have a LB version of NATS. You charge $100 per 750 blocks of signups after 5500. One server can EASILY handle 100-200 joins a day, thats at LEAST 3000 joins, which would cost your customers $400 if my calculations are correct. Also, we have no need to test scalability, we have big enough customers to know its fine. |
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This was way over the line. Now if this isnt slander I dont know what would be. I saw Aliens posts where deleted, I wonder if yours will be ? |
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partnersoft doesnt need to resort to recruiting new clients on the boards..btw, they are a very very stable 3rd party program |
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Same goes for Riverstyx btw. |
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I have to agree with the support...it is VERY GOOD...but since there is so much competition, I would guess everyone has some great support. But speaking on behalf of NATS...support is really good.... |
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I personally love MPA3 and feel it has made my job and the job of my affiliates easier. I have had nothing but the utmost customer service, help and support. They even contacted me on an issue AFTER HOURS that had to do with my hosting ... not them. To me that shows going above and beyond their need and truly caring about their customer's best interest. This was also a holiday if i remember correctly! Instead of having a huge problem the next morning ... i had about 10 minutes of down time on a server thanks to mansion (i have switched hosting companies incase anyone was wondering). There have been several examples by Mansion and their staff where they have truly gone above and beyond to provide me with something i needed ... even things that didn't make them a single dollar! That level of support will keep us with them for a very long time! xoxo, Megan |
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The thread turned ugly when Garry poked his head in it, threw some insults at us, and reminded me why I feel the way I do about him. I've gone over it already in this thread and really don't want to again. Just proves to me that people rarely, if ever, change. Thank you for the kind words. MPA has some good points to it also and I'm sure some very good people working for them. However their ownership has shown in the past and present what type of people they truely are. |
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As far as potential customers; the comment was meant along the lines of you can't win them all over. Some people will believe what Mansion says. Some will believe us. Thats a distinction everyone needs to make. I'm glad you're happy with your current solution and hope you continue to be. |
Mansion is some damn good peeps. Their products are always top of the line.
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Theres an old saying .... "If It Ain't Broke ... Don't Fix It" Best of luck to you guys. I'm sure you have a good product. |
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