10 to 100 is 1000% as is 50 to 500 or 100 to 1000. What are we talking about here?

And of course its not only about scalable design but also to actually scale. We just have many many ways to scale the systems. Simply throwing bigger hardware at a problem is not always the best solution.

But yes, scalability in MPA3 improved a lot over MPA2. Looking at the database alone shows that.

good reading.

Good offer from Nats. I really don't see a reason for MPA to jump into the thread and start bashing. If you guys think you are better, compare the features, show you are better, what's the reason behind all the bullshit?

I am shopping for a solution, i would like to compare the features of both systems.

Now I really feel like Im in the twighlight zone here!
How could the posts by Alien be deleted ? I really couldn't see what would make these post any worse then any of the posts that the NATS people have posted about MPA3. Now as fare as I saw Alien only posted links to past Threads here on GFY where all referred back to some of the NATS owners broken history.
Now how can that be any worse then you guys always keep on mention the "shave" feature mpa2 had like years ago ?
Now getting GFY to delete these posts where low!

Us mentioning mpa2 had a shave feature is a proven fact.

Alien mentioning the crap he thinks we did is lies and bullshit.

Very obvious difference really.

midsize -> huge

This is what we are talkig about :-)
What I mean is that we don't look at the code or db and say "wow looks scalable", but we have a real life customer with 1000% increase of turonover and system handled it :-) verstehen ?

So nats said why they think they are better.

MPA ppl, why you think YOU are better?

Yes, I do understand, you on the other hand do not seem to understand...

1000% increase is no info, as little as "midsize" or "huge" is... could mean anything. I have also never said MPA3 can not HANDLE a big client. Anything can handle "huge" with enough hardware in the back. The question is how effeciantly this hardware is used and scaled into.

But I'm sure you are not going to give us real numbers, so its a useless discussion.

What about partnersoft btw? They look very very stable...

Now this thread might actually get a little bit more constructive, thanks for the question.

Ok so the proof he linked to was all just bullshit? And if it was, why haven't you guys sued him in the past? Its not like this is the first time he has posted about this. Why haven't you guys sued the others who have brought this up and got a stop to this once and for all? I know that if anyone would post false accusations against me or my company I would sue their ass so hard they would never know what hit them!

I think this whole thing about TooMuchMedia is?? well a little too much. I am for sure not going to let them have access to my company numbers, I have worked to hard the last few years for that!

Perhaps you don't have any clue as to the costs and headaches involved over suing someone across state lines for something like this.

Thanks for the advice tho.

For those who think this is an "ugly" or "drama" thread. Reread it from the top.

Insults and personal attacks do not start until Garry posts. I understand his friends will defend him to the end. But to those who are unbiased read it again, from the top, and see where it went sour.

$tandaman,

I totally agree, AND if you have read the threads and the posts on this board you already know that I normally do not jump in to other peoples thread. But I do think its only fair that I stand up for my company and all my customers when things like this are said

"Due to the amount of lies, false information, and exhaggerated claims we have been hearing through the grape vine over the past few weeks"

Yeah, look whos talking!

"In contrast to our competition, we actually offer full training of our software to HELP you understand how to best use our software and do not expect you to immediately understand the ins and outs of setting up a successful affiliate program! "

Now thats another lie. We offer free training to all our customers. And unlike NATS we do not charge them anything extra for the training. AND on top of that we have FREE support for as long as they have the program. We do NOT limit their support to a limited amount of tickets a month.

"Our software is MORE STABLE, it is MORE SCALABLE, it is MORE CUSTOMIZABLE and it has BETTER TRACKING than ANY of our competition! See it for yourself!"

Hmm ok, if you say so. And what proof do you have to this? What is so more stabile, scalable and customizable with your program ? Give me something to fight back against here instead of just throwing out some rubish!

"We are BETTER than our competition and we are CHEAPER than our competition because our product is written in a more efficiant way and thus easier for us to maintain! "

So Now NATS is even written in a more efficiant way. Smart to say since our code is crypted. So unless you have hacked it you couldnt have seen our code.

well, it is not just hardware but the software too :-)
Also looking at your pricing http://www.toomuchmedia.com/products/nats/pricing.html
make me think that you charge for extra harware(servers added) and Scalability features are only avaialbe on the most expesive version. However if you have a server farm NATS seem damn expesive(charging for each additional server after second). May be you should speak with you sales guys to remove these charges - so you will have larger customer base who use loadbalancing to test it. It is easy to test it with MPA since it does not require additonal licenses for LB and much more people can afford it.
however sales is not my expertise - take it as advice - removing this charge will help you test you scalability features.

I tried to edit the post and to add this, but I was to late so here it is :)



I have been reading loads of threads and posts by NATS where they claim and say all kinds of strange things against us. I have not posted anything in the past, or at least very little. But I can not let them just do what they want with my company and my customers! So as long as they directly attack me and my customers I will stand up for my self.

Now if they had just posted this offer of theirs then I wouldnt have said a thing.

Garry, you're full of shit. You always have been ever since they days when you aided in defrauding and stealing from 1000s of affiliates.

From: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...94&postcount=1

When we first started out we marketed very agressively against you guys (as any new business should). You whined about it over and over again. We backed off a bit. Then snide little comments like that and other started from you guys and even worse things that I heard were said in person to our clients and potential clients. As I said, we backed off your for a while, and got nothing but rude little comments and cheap shots in return. So we will be marketing very aggressively against you again. I'm sorry if you can not handle it.

I lost absolute respect for you and your company when we purchased MPA2 way back when and found the shaving feature built right into the front page of it. Thats why NATS exists today. I have no respect for you or anyone who would help people to steal as much as you have. I never will have respect for you. I tried being quiet for a while and all I got back was numerous little jabs like the one above from Oystein. If thats how you want it to be, thats how it will be.

Again, I have no respect for you or your company. I believe you are full of shit and a theif. You even went as far once as to try to blame having a shave feature on the AFFILIATES. The way your company has been run is absurd, unprofessional, and sickening. We've even had one person in here chime in as to how Oystein fed him lies when he was looking at both products. I have had numerous people tell me so. From stupid little things like not having a feature to accusing us of ridiculous things that insult me both professional and personally.

You're a liar. You're a thief.

Peter, yes, we charge for extra hardware, you charge for extra sales. Same thing really in the end more or less, just that we let our customers take the most out of the first hardware you have before charging for a 2nd.

Also, additional servers are only $150 after you have a LB version of NATS.

You charge $100 per 750 blocks of signups after 5500. One server can EASILY handle 100-200 joins a day, thats at LEAST 3000 joins, which would cost your customers $400 if my calculations are correct.

Also, we have no need to test scalability, we have big enough customers to know its fine.

My my, looks like Im not the one who cant handle the competition here.

This was way over the line. Now if this isnt slander I dont know what would be.

I saw Aliens posts where deleted, I wonder if yours will be ?

I mean every word of it. Show me what about it isn't true and I'll be more than glad to retract it.

partnersoft doesnt need to resort to recruiting new clients on the boards..btw, they are a very very stable 3rd party program

As john said, please check your partners promo posting, its written right there that "Not to mention that you will not be needing TRAINING since MPA3 is EASY TO USE!".

My 2nd post in this thread explains each one of them, go ahead and fight back. Why do you not just tell your clients to try NATS next to MPA3 so you do nto have to "fight back" instead just have to show them? Afraid?

Actually, database design is not encrypted. And we have to know it since we import data from old mpa3 clients of yours on a regular basis. Database design shows a lot of the efficiancy. Also, speed of stats and reporting tools and other things are an easy thing to compare without seeing code too.

I agree, partnersoft is a good affiliate system, its target market is also 100% different than NATS and MPA3.

Same goes for Riverstyx btw.

wow :ticking

I have to agree with the support...it is VERY GOOD...but since there is so much competition, I would guess everyone has some great support. But speaking on behalf of NATS...support is really good....

To me that shows a lack of care for your customer ... statements like that would never get me to align myself with a company and it's exactly why i choose Mansion. I also have to agree with NaughtyJake ... aside from the reccomendations to go with MPA3 i checked the boards and the companies response to getting into "Hot water".

I personally love MPA3 and feel it has made my job and the job of my affiliates easier. I have had nothing but the utmost customer service, help and support. They even contacted me on an issue AFTER HOURS that had to do with my hosting ... not them. To me that shows going above and beyond their need and truly caring about their customer's best interest. This was also a holiday if i remember correctly! Instead of having a huge problem the next morning ... i had about 10 minutes of down time on a server thanks to mansion (i have switched hosting companies incase anyone was wondering).

There have been several examples by Mansion and their staff where they have truly gone above and beyond to provide me with something i needed ... even things that didn't make them a single dollar!

That level of support will keep us with them for a very long time!

xoxo,
Megan

Thank you. I never mentioned MPA's support in this thread. From what I hear of it it's very good. This thread was not meant to start drama or a fight. It was meant to offer people a chance to try both softwares. I even complimented their MAS product right in the beginning of the thread as I have heard it is a very good product.

The thread turned ugly when Garry poked his head in it, threw some insults at us, and reminded me why I feel the way I do about him. I've gone over it already in this thread and really don't want to again. Just proves to me that people rarely, if ever, change.

Thank you for the kind words. MPA has some good points to it also and I'm sure some very good people working for them. However their ownership has shown in the past and present what type of people they truely are.

That comment was regarding potential customers not our current customers. Potential customers are not "my customers". We treat each and every one of our clients big and small with as much care and concern as we can. Please do not twist my words around and take them out of context to try to make them mean otherwise.

As far as potential customers; the comment was meant along the lines of you can't win them all over. Some people will believe what Mansion says. Some will believe us. Thats a distinction everyone needs to make. I'm glad you're happy with your current solution and hope you continue to be.

Mansion is some damn good peeps. Their products are always top of the line.

Even less reason to be so scared about their customers trying out NATS :)

Come on .. even though its free, it still involves a good amount of work. I've known Garry and Oy for a longtime and trust them completly. Trust is just important as anything.

Theres an old saying .... "If It Ain't Broke ... Don't Fix It"

Best of luck to you guys. I'm sure you have a good product.

Ooohhh... Someone is in for a laaaaaawsuit, if the other part can figure out why...
Hahahahaha

Thanks. It's just an offer. I hope a few people can take us up on it. I'd be even a bit happy if a few do and a few of those decide to stick with MPA. It will help us (and them) find out where to improve both products.

Again, that was the point. It turned into shit with Garry's "cut & paste company" and other insults in his reply. Sad to always have someone turn it that way :(

SUE SUE SUE SUE SUE!

hahahaha
Oh man, if you dont win this one I will pay for the lawyer

Competition is healthy, for sure. When there is pressure to compete, consumers and in this instance merchants and affiliates end up with a better product. I host clients with MPA3 and clients with NATS. I have clients that are happy with each respective software. I have had clients that have moved from one to the other, etc. I consider the people at both companies to be friends - Gary, Oystein, John. We are acquainted but I've just never spent that much time getting to know you Nathan.

Although I understand why both parties are posting in here, I think I was dissapointed starting with the first post. I can understand offering a competing offer, even a special to lure customers away from a competitor. In my opinion, you didn't need to go farther with that all you need to do is let the product speak for itself. That is all anyone ever really needs to do, I think. I believe, honestly, that both companies have good products. I respect your decision but it's not the one I would have made, personally.

I will leave everyone on this note... A long while back, I got a call from Oystein. He very patiently confronted me with some information, basically saying that he had a complaint from a current MPA customer that I was trying to push them into NATS. I don't know if this was an actual customer of mine with MojoHost, with 123Bill or just somebody I was acquainted with discussing the topic freely. Humility. You know, I have customers that use both softwares and I have practically been a client of both myself. I apologized, as I should have, and resolved to be much more objective. My point for even bringing this up, really, is just that I had a tremendous amount of respect for Oystein calling me out in the manner in which he did. I know that is how I like to do business, one on one and always with a preference to not air laundry in public.

With all of the upgrades and enhancements to both packages I truly believe that one can't really go wrong with either one. I don't have to kiss ass to get business, I just tell things like I see it. When NATS first came out I, like everyone else, was excited to see a new product to market. I endorsed it before I was ever a client of it and that was an immature decision of mine. I have long since seen proof of the fact that the issues I had with my own conversion from MPA2 to MPA3 were unique or at least ultimately resolved. I host some very successful programs on both packages and I can't honestly say that I have clients on either side of the fence that are unhappy with their respective solution provider.

I don't give any glowing endorsement. As a host and a biller, I see the best and worst of both. As far as I am concerned with my level of experience, knowledge and observance of both products the options are "6 of one and a half dozen with the other." They both have their merits, accomplishments, drawbacks, growing pains.

I wish both companies success with their products. I like the my hosting clients have more options in the market, that each company has a full suite of software to choose from. The most important thing is that as a customer of any company or any service provider is that you are HAPPY. If you are not happy, try something else and hopefully the transition isn't too painful and your provider doesn't hold you hostage. If NATS and Mansion can agree on anything, I would think, it is that their customers are #1. I believe that we all respect those that are kind enough to put food on our tables... I know that we at MojoHost take that very seriously.

I wouldn't call this a dirty fight quite yet, but it definitely isn't pretty. I just hate to see this, I like to think that the parties, no matter how estranged, could come together enough to find some level of mutual respect so that they can compete respectfully.

Cheers,

Brad

I've read this thread, and also read some comments about lack of support with nats

I'm probably one of the smallest programs with nats, and i have never had to wait more then 4 hours for a support ticket to get replied to.... They also explained to me exactly what the problem was and why it happened..

also, in the beginning when i first started out, I hit up john and was talking to him about nats as a possible solution for me since paycom was extremely lacking with stats, and he cut 1000 dollars off of my price... he wasn't even running any sort of promotion at that time, but he helped me out anyways cause he knew i was just starting out

and something like that is not forgotten, and why i'll be a loyal customer forever :thumbsup

NO backing or bashing either product here, but I have worked with more cisco gear and probally anyway around here and I can tell you they last thing they are is scalabe.

All this bullshit you throw out here on gfy will not in any way win you any trust for sure. Talking down on your competition says more about whom you are and what you stand for, than it does about your competition. I have lost numerous sales in the old days because I was so focused on making my competition look bad.
You keep bringing to the surface the shaving thing that MPA2 had far back in time. And most people would agree that shaving is bad. BUT this was such a long time ago. Today is where we need to be and today there is no shaving what so ever. In fact Garry and Oy are the most trustable people I have met in this business so far. And I am sad to se someone like yourself trying so hard to get people believe otherwise. I feel strongly that you lost this battle and I for one lost all respect for you as a businessman.

in the long run, at the end of the day, as an observer i wonder what this will look like in a couple of years. one factor that can play a role is access to talented candidates to hire. mansion would seem to be in a better geographic location for acquiring new candidates to hire imho.

nats has seemingly bet the farm on its lead programmer and who knows if that is a good or a bad thing. good luck to all the affiliate software people for many years to come.

btw we have:
AffiliateSystem.com
AffiliateSystem.net
&
AffiliateModel.com

what do you guy's estimate those domains are worth?

There actually are quite a few IT companies in the NY/NJ area actually... InterActiveCorp for example has offices in New York City and NJ areas.

Of course, all the west-coast is full of tech-people, that I agree. But there also are negative things of having tons and tons of techs around, harder to find the really good ones.

We are doing quite well though for ourselves... we'll see what the next years bring us.