exactly...somehow you were able to formulate my thoughts in one short,coherent sentence! LOL

Im not trying to rip on it per se' but cmon that much money invested in a golden domain and thats the end result as of right now? Goodness

This is almost as silly as your comparison of flash ads to rape, not that I understood that one either.

You only get one of these, use it wisely
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And yes, I agree, Men.com is rather pathetic. A monkey with half a brain could probably do better... but why do you guys give a fuck? Mind your business.

After one week, leehotti.com has passed up men.com in traffic.

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I am surprised that it does not have a better alexa ranking.

A whole new layout is coming up. The designers from this last iteration were let go.

:)

Here's a sample of the new look.

http://www.men.com/automotive/

Looks much better :thumbsup

Still not good enough, by far. Krl, I will mail you and give some help:)

If no one else will say it... i will. after everything i have seen so far and all the shit talking you did... i think YOU should be let go.

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I think it actually looks pretty good

yes, it does look a lot better.. but i have some suggestions.

the "3d" logo you have has to go. the 3 slashes /// just look gay being belevel'd like that.

the left menu with the subheadings, gray with the white text is bad. it's not very readable.

not sure if i'm too hot on that font for "feature story" and "test drive"

the "automotive bloggers" white font against the yellow is very bad, not readable at all.

also not too sure if i like the whole "AUTOMOTIVE" top bar yellow ->black gradient.


work on those few things and it'll be more solid. but even as is, it's a lot better than the current men.com. but as a few others mentioned, a new design might be better, lol.

new design looks much better...

Money cannot buy bright ideas. It can just pay staff to do what they were told to do.
Lack of a vision = teh fail.

New design is much better, but come on, KRL! How long has it been?

The new layout does however look nice. :)

Hahaha, real funny.

Bottom line is domain values have gone up. So the bottom line is exciting and that's what counts.

Also, I don't run the site. I'm just one of the partners in it.

they should turn it into a gay dating site and it would do much better

To be honest, I don't like the logo either. I thought the one we had in year 1 was nicer. Trying to get a group of partners, designers, and staff to all agree on what everyone likes is a lot of work. So at the end of the day you have to compromise and find the middle ground that keeps everyone happy.

I was involved in the corporate end of Men for just the acquisition and the first year of the launch to get things up and going. After that we turned it over to a team to run everything. If the team fails, we'll get another team. That's how business works. Simple as that.

You've got it...it's always been that way. Folks who design websites are the very few looking critically at a logo or header.

Content is what's important...and that they can find their way through the site.

Wow, you guys are really bitchy by the way! For christs sake...there's ways to offer suggestions without cutting someone's balls off.

You guys better play nice or I'll have to seperate your asses... :angrysoap

you obviously think that way because your site has the same kind of "simple and not so pretty" design...

Design/Presentation IS an important aspect of sale...so is content...both are...

same thing happens in mainstream, and even off the net!...Its kinda like an ad on TV where the company asked their president to do the commercial, VS. a company who hires an actor/proffessional and a marketting team to do the job....

you can spot the ones who get it done by their president...they always look cheap and the guy obviously cant speak on TV...and the result is...ugly...and wheter you like it or not, it will impact on sale, and on the trust people will put into your company....

You've said it.
Others have said it.
I'll say it.

Haters are everywhere.

Fuck them and fuck their opinion if they offer no solid advice. 99% of people on this board would shit their pants to be able to work with "men.com". Only a select few opinions should be taken into account; whoever they are.

My post and every other post in this thread should just be disregarded as nonsense.

a LOT of people love things that are aesthetically pleasant. Not just designers...

oh thats for sure!...at the end of the day, its all just words on a msg board!

If ever I'm in a sad mood, I just think of your sig and I'm all pleasant again.
Many reasons why.
Too lazy to write them down.

hey, glad you like it! :)

When all is said and done men.com is a gay name that would be great for a gay dating portal and gay links to gay sites. Thats it forget about askmen.com you are not going to do that or maxim.com or anything else... go gay.com. That is free advice no charge and just like the last time I gave advice, fire every one and make a nice "GAY" ENTER button.

Of course my designs are simple...I'm not selling design services, I'm selling memberships to a bondage site and have a website for my REAL LIFE adult club. I can guarantee you that what counts is being easy and simple. Clearly ugly isn't what I mean....being aestheticly pleasing is good, but if that's all you got, then you don't have much.

...and screw you...my designs are pretty! And they certainly don't look like any other porn site. :321GFY

Oh...and Wendy's didn't do so poorly with Dave...Kentucky Fried with the Colonel, and General Motors with Lee Iacocca...

...other than that, I guess I'd agree with ya. :pimp

Your design is simple, and probably works well, but its not what I would consider a great design, sorry...


and again, with Wendys and etc...you are talking about companies that are ALREADY established...different...same thing than The Hun...

We are talking about a NEW SITE who wants to set himself as THE portal for men...tottally different...but its been said already so I guess im just beating a dead horse...

I only quoted you because you said in your posts that no one cared about a nice design except for designers...which is totally not true...

and of course content matter!...no one here said that content didnt matter!

we are just saying that design AND content BOTH matter...jeez

Its not like the current one is any good......

good advice :thumbsup

Lack of forethough and planning will just end up making it a failure. You were oh so very proud of 'your' purchase back when, but your execution is a joke. Spinning a new team every year just hows your inability to learn from your mistakes and hire a real time to begin with.

what he said.

a voice of reason in a sea of bullshit. :thumbsup

For the love of Christ please center the motherfucker.

No simple is good. If Google hasn't proven this to you by now nothing will. Ebay, Yahoo, Google, and a myriad of other HUGE ass sites are simple. Ease of use and content rank 1 and 2 while a pretty design that artsy fags will masturbate over ranks at around 3000 on the importance meter. We're glad you can make designs that people go WOW over but that isn't what makes people click. :thumbsup

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