KRL

would you and your partners entertain the idea of changing the format of men.com from a straight men's into a gay men's site if shown that a re-investement would show a better ROI than what you are looking at now?

i find it funny to think that just cause gay traffic converts better the trolls think it's the only way to go. they fail to say on what traffic SOURCE it converts better

think about this - there might be a cap on the amount of gay traffic to get to men.com - and straight traffic would have a much much higher cap and many more marketable options...

example - gay traffic might convert 1/40 - but ONLY to gay sites and such - and might cap at 30,000 hits a day - which would be HUGE in the gay marketplace - i don't think there's even a gay tgp that big....

but men.com might get to 200K + a day being straight - and then it's markerable to EVERYTHING -no converions to worry about - he's got the same marketplace as any normal men's magazine and those clients don't even worry about conversion - they just want branding. - it's MUCH better option long run


but try and explain that to a short sighted troll that thinks that conversions are everything - good luck - idiots that have never done anything in their lives ALWAYS know the best way for others to run their business. :thumbsup


but what do I know - i'm just an idiot

Thanks for this post!

I looked at all the options, including the gay market. I spoke with the CEO of Gay.com early on about doing a cross marketing and content deal together. At the end of the day, the numbers just didn't justify the risk in pursuing a limited single demographic niche accounting for only 15% to 25% of our traffic. And when you figure the gay market will still respond to mainstream advertiser offerings, it really didn't make sense from a risk perspective because we'd be blowing off the majority of the mainstream traffic. So the decision and long term plan is for straight mainstream.

Actually the gay traffic market value is higher than straight, even though you can get a lot more straight traffic, gay is worth more per visitor by a lot. Forgetting about the gay marketing on a site like men.com is retarded. Men.com can easily market to straight, gay and bi, and triple it?s revenue for people only wanting to brand its products. It?s not maxim, stuff, or any MENS mag, it?s an online site that can easily cater to all men.

Men.com should be for "MEN", be they are straight, gay, brown, white, etc.

And now to help out what you called the "trolls". Speaking off... This is basic online mareketing 101. You can take a course and learn this at your local college, or go to about any online seminar (adult or not) and learn about gay traffic value over straight.

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you didn't get a single thing I said - you are an idiot. total and complete without any vison and I doubt you've ever made any real money or had any real responsibility in your life. :2 cents:

cloland does 80k/day *shrugs* doesn't change it's still a smaller market.. but i think people sometimes tend to devalue the gay market based on it's size.. not it's profiability.

Regardless of whether it remains straight or gay, Men.Com needs original fresh and exclusive custom content. KRL, hit me up for cheap writers :) We have experience producing consumer materials, product reviews, product highlights, sales pages, you name it :thumbsup

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I?m not even going to dignify this restarted post with an reply. Anytime you think you can take this idiot on about this business, let me know. You really have no fucking clue.

ummmmm, isn't that a reply? buuuuuuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

i've sceen dumb but that post - oh my fucking god - that takes the cake.

you sir - are an idiot.

you don't even need help to have people laugh at you - you're THAT stupid.

"sceen"

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And I'm the idot...

correcting spelling is usually a sign of repression - means you have sexual problems/fustrations - usually it's a sign of a homosexual longing and repressing that urge.

just get laid with someone who turns you on - it will release a lot of tension within you and you won't be searching for spelling mistakes anymore. sometimes it helps to fuck a person ie a girl that looks like a guy - or a guy that looks like a girl - aan easy way to bridge that gap without freaking yourself out

basic psychology 101.

yes, you are

this psychology "theory" really has no backing.. state your sources Dr. Sleazy.. i highly doubt there are case studies of people correcting moron's spelling problems.

although your advice of "just get laid with someone who turns you on - it will release a lot of tension within you and you won't be searching for spelling mistakes anymore. sometimes it helps to fuck a person ie a girl that looks like a guy - or a guy that looks like a girl - aan easy way to bridge that gap without freaking yourself out" really seems like something you recommend, try it much?

the harder you try and deny it the more it's really true

Please King Sleazy, enlighten all of us to your great achievements in life. Post count doesn?t qualify as an achievement; it?s more of a handicap.

I might as well have some laughable entertainment tonight.

another witty come back from the almighty sleazy.. do you deny you're a pompus dickhead that seeks attention from his peers to feel important?? come on the more you deny it, the more it's really true

I would think a design more along the lines of this would be better.

http://www.templatemonster.com/websi...ates/5445.html

I mean, they've certainly got the money to put up a decent looking site. It certainly couldn't hurt, right?

Its always the guys with less than :2 cents: to rub together , who are the biggest critics:1orglaugh But they could do it so much better :winkwink:

:thumbsup thanks KRL - i was just wondering and thought you had explored the myaraid of avenues on every level that could be taken with this url.

some people here mightve gotten the gist of my post while obviously some others didnt...:1orglaugh

havent seen you here in awhile laying low? maybe a local (s fl) poker tourney is in order:thumbsup

I don't agree with the ones bashing what KRL's done with the sites, but COME ON JFK!! You'll start sounding like Sleazy. :) Plenty of examples where guys with little money and great ideas go on to become billionaires. Even many of this industry's successes have come from backgrounds that weren't well off.

There could be a dozen guys who might do it better, if they had the money and opportunity. The whole money equation is old, tired, and means very little.

I didn't like the old design. It felt cheap. I do like the new design, and hope it works for them. It will be great to see Men.com finally clear the obstacles out of it's way, and rise to become something enormously successful.

oops..what happened to VD..did he get deployed...:winkwink: