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if you don't want to more & more hate, don't kill people, don't suc theyer resourcess, don't make them hungry, you are not owner of the world. other people, other cultures, other rilegens live in there, you can try to be respectfull againce them. i hav American friends; 1 of them is really my neare friend, i can show our msn logs if you want, how we likes to each other, how we hav friendship... i'm not saying other shits; i know just 1 think is enough "Peace" Chears. |
But how about Vietnam, Japan or Croatia? This is the real things....
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I hope someone posts a link to a fan sub torrent of that vid. . it would be interesting at worst. .
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Our Bluddy History? are You Serius? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you are really funny, you are saying him learn about history, we know what is history; we didn't setup our goverment 207 years ago as America; we had 16 great Empires. btw. do you know what the fuck is Kurdish; get your hand a Persian Dictionary; & again get Your hand a dictionary wich has fake language "kurdish" Dictionary, you will se here %60-70 of the Kurdish language is persian language, nearely %30 is a from Arabic, Turkish & other etnic groups of Aria. in adition learn about when Saddam huseyn make a atac Kurdish people; who save them from Saddam, who gave them Pasport & other Toilet papers to who are son of bitch Celal Talabani & Mesud Barzani. they wher traveling with Turkiye red pasport before. & then what did kurdish motherfucker do? (Treason). lets talk about Arminians; as first 4/1 of the 20. century they killd alot of our people to be Arminian Gangster Groups. go to Erzurum city in Turkiye; you can hear somethinks from the old people. & i want to say somethinks more to be last one; we had come to Anotolia as 1000 years ago somethink before Jesus Born. Saka Turks had come to Anatolia (Anadolu) they wher great humanity olso; they had men & women woriers as Amazons. & You can not talk about before the 3000 years ago; because this is a old time, for instens: we can say you wher not on the America continent; they wher live (redSkins) American indians wich has you killed for Your Emperialist Aims. is it enough for You? if you want to se bluddy History, thing about Yours; nobody forget to Black people Tragedy & our redSkin siblings, nobody forget Vietnam, nobody forget Afganistan, nobody forget Iraq & nobody will forget all middle east, nobody will forget all world. Firstly look Your bluddy Emperialist Tragedy & you can ttalk about mine... |
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AND AT THE ROOT OF ALL THIS MURDER IS GOD.
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Who gives a fuck? How, many American movies portray other races as "evil"? How many western movies in the 50's portrayed indians as nothing but savages that got what they deserved. How many movies in the 80's had all those evil commies in them? How many WWII movies portrayed ALL American soldiers as good and all German soldiers as pure evil? We had some bad soldiers and face it most Germans didn't like Hitler and served in the army because it was that or be shot on site. Yes most SS were evil, but the typical foot soldier was basiclly FORCED to fight. The typical german foot soldier was so eager to surrender that by the end of WWII we had over 400K german POWs being held in America. But hey let's not let FACTS get in the way of box office $$$$. The Turks are just doing what American movie makers have done for nearly 100 years.
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Being the ignorant you are, i find it only fair to inform you that Turks do not have a history of 83 years. The Ottoman Empire was built in late 1230's. But it is only the precedessor of Turkey. The earliest know Turkish empire is the Hum Empire which goes back to B.C 400. you say 'your bloody history - your country is built on other people's blood' now that is funny since it's coming from an american. (Indians, Black People, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Japanese people in concentration camps, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq again. these are all i can remember now) Even if what you say is true, i think you should be the last one to blame us for building our country on other people's blood. First of all there were never 1.5 million Armenians living there. And the reason why they were forced to move, and yes killed, was that they back stabbed the Ottoman Empire in the WWI, and began killing Turkish civilians in the area. I mean it's not like we wanted to own the oil in that area and therefore made up a lie that they owned chemical weapons and killed some and put the rest in prisons and tortured them and well, you know how the story goes. Yes we killed many Greek soldiers during the independance war after they had invaded Anatolia, but i cannot see anything wrong with this. Is there something else about the Greeks i do not konw? And i would also very much appreciate it if you informed me about Bulgarians. And the Kurds, yes, if you are talking about PKK it is officially declared as a terrorist organization by your very own government. Come on, come to your senses, even if what you say is true the most recent issue you talk about took place like 80 years ago, but now as i write, american troops are killing innocent people in Iraq. Again even if what you say is true, at least we have been trying to better ourselves for the past 80 years, what about you? I guess all that slaughtering in Iraq doesn't help much. anyway, i think the topic we were talking about was the movie showing americans killing innocent people in Iraq. i saw the movie today. it is a movie, fiction, everything shown in the movie doesn't have to be true, but yes, americans are killing innocent people in iraq. and also torturing some. |
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and also, being an ally doesn't necessarily have to mean being partners in crime.
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Threads like this make me want to move to Antarctica.
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Movies mirror reality. Can't blame the producers and scriptwriters for coming up with such movie theme.
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how can you forget that fucking idiot? as far PKK characterized as terrorist organization this is the trade-off outcome between Turkey and certain countries. I'm glad Greece and Italy protected Ocalan, a strictly political n' rebel figure. Kurds have been suffering for so many years and have nobody's support. Well let me tell you about your terrorist bs, I can do a donation to PKK like i have done to other kurdish support groups and nobody will even question my action. You are so pathetic you keep him alone in a whole prison, didn't give him a fair trial and you have violated all his human rights according to two rulings by the European Court of Human Rights. |
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What happend in Iraq, Afghanistan, Hiroshima was during WAR, yes during war horrible things happen. But what your ancestors did to Armenians was not war, but a Genocide! Killing a peacful population, which were loyal to the Ottoma Empire does not consitute a war. In 1914 there were around 2 million in Eastern Anatolia, of which your ancestors massacred 1.5 million. Nobody backstabbed Turks, again Armenians were the most loyal, while Greeks got their independence, Bulgarians aparted, Armenians waited that maybe things will get better as the Young Turks came to power, but what happened, they started to drive Armenians from their homeland and massacre them, thats war to you? And you are saying all those countries who adopted the Armenian Genocide are all lyers and only Turkey is telling the truth? International bodies that recognize the Armenian genocide include the European Parliament, the Council of Europe, the European Parliamentary Assembly, and the United Nations Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities, the International Center for Transitional Justice, based on a report prepared for TARC, the Association of Genocide Scholars, the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the World Council of Churches, the Turkish Human Rights Organization, the League for Human Rights [14], the Parliament of Kurdistan in Exile (an unofficial organisation with no parliamentary powers), and the Permanent Peoples' Tribunal. The majority of US states recognize the Armenian Genocide, but there is no federal (country-wide) recognition. The Canadian House of Commons voted to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide. The federal government, in opposing the motion, did not express a position on whether the genocide took place. And soon the United States will this year, then we will see how your shitty country reacts. |
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this is from globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/eoka.htm EOKA [Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agoniston - National Organization of Cypriot Fighters] started a guerrilla campaign against British colonial rule aimed at self-determination and union with Greece (Enosis)on 01 April 1955. The campaign, which started when the first EOKA bombs exploded at 00.30 hours on 1st of April 1955, lasted until 1959 and caused the death of more Greek Cypriot civilians than the total of British killed. It created civil strife and mistrust between the two Cypriot communities. Tension increased in early 1957, when EOKA attacked Turkish police and auxiliaries. EOKA received direct support from Greece in money, arms, organization and propaganda. Greek-speaking Cypriots were awed by EOKA terrorists and subject to bombardment by Athens radio. Under a 1959 compromise settlement known as Zurich-London agreements, Cyprus became an independent Republic in 1960. Since then, April 1 is a national holiday. It was celebrated in memorial services in Churches and gatherings in cities and villages in the free part of Cyprus. EOKA-B emerged twice, in 1963 and 1974, in collaboration and cooperation with Greece, to attack the Turkish Cypriots, one of the two co-founding partners of the Republic of Cyprus, with the aim of uniting the Island with Greece. ------------------- and this is from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOKA The objective of EOKA [1] was to drive the British out of the island first and then integrate the island to Greece by destroying the Turkish community with a massive annihilation. EOKA initiated its activities by planting the first bombs on 1 April 1951 with the directive by Greek Foreign Minister Stefanopulos. The first secret talks for EOKA as a terrorist organization [2] established to destroy the Turkish public in Cyprus and integrate the island to Greece, were started in the chairmanship of Makarios in Athens on 2 July 1952. In the aftermath of these meetings, a "Council of Revolution" was established on 7 March 1953. In early 1954, secret weaponry shipment to Cyprus started to the knowledge of the Greek government. Grivas covertly disembarked on the island on 9 November 1954. EOKA's campaign of terrorism [3] was properly under way. Assaults on Turks began on 21 June 1955. In 1963, EOKA restarted its acts, killing over 500 Turks, burning down 103 Turkish villages and forcing tens of thousands of Turks to migrate. Now a secretive organisation and going by the name of EOKA-B, in the Sampson coup on 15 July 1974, EOKA members this time pointed their weapons to their own community, killing 2,000 Greek cypriots who were Makarios supporters. These dead and missing were later to be added on to the casualties of Turkish invasion, so as to be used for Greek propaganda. ----------------------------- now who was killing civilians? hope this will give you a better idea as to why we invaded cyprus. You can spend your money on whatever you want, as if i f'ing care. we are keeping Ocalan alone in a prison.... hmm... you have a point there. maybe instead isolating him we could put him in a prison with others where we can get him and the others naked, pile them up on eachother and take their pictures and pee on them, if you know what i mean. |
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so we killed the armenians and took their lands... if that is the case, i'm sure what you did to the indians was a great source of inspiration for us. afterall we must have gotten the idea from you. anyway, i never claimed we have a very clean history. neither have you, nor any other country. but yours is way too bloodier than the others. and the thing is while many other countries PAST is bloody, you just can't seem to get rid of the habit. and also you are still missing my point. while the above mentioned movie is just a movie and therefore might have used some scenes just to create a dramatic effect, it is still the truth that american troops did and still do kill innocent people in Iraq. Although you have written quite long posts you have not been able to go step further than blaimng Turkey for the things it did in the PAST and yet failed to defend any actions that are being done TODAY by your own country. |
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And just a note to give some foresight into this whole thread; You're inherent discontent is blatantly obvious Lev. At least for the sake of credibility be a bit objective. For you to honestly gripe about a movie you haven't seen that depicts US troops killing innocents and us that as a whole basis for "those fuckers aren't are allies" is just plain idiotic. As the record stands Turkey has been there to assist the US for decades. The relationship has been key in many situations you will NEVER know about... NASA missions, Sat Comm, NATO campaigns, and lets not forget about the Gulf War. So before you have the incitement to shit on some people for such trivial bullshit. REALIZE your just a millimeter away from becoming that which you think you hate. |
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When Indians got killed you IDIOT, there was United States and no government, so you are blaming Columbus's actions on today's U.S. government?? I fail to see your reasoning. Turkey, however was the direct heir of the Ottoman Empire, under which Armenians (who were Turkish citizens) got massacred, so the blame and resonsibility goes to the current Turkish government. This happened only 91 years ago remember, it was the first genocide of the 20th century. It is the same as saying today's Germany is not responsible for the actions of Nazi Germany. Actually today's Germany still pays restitution to Jews. What America does now I do not fully approve, but you can not even compare it to what your ancestors did to Armenians, Greeks, Kurds and other minorities under the Ottoman Empire, who were supposed to be protected like any other citizens of the empire, but instead got killed because they were, how you say in your native toungue, "gavurs". |
Here are more reports of your "civilized" country jailing journalists and writers:
Monday, February 6, 2006 ISTANBUL - TDN with AFP Five prominent journalists will be facing the court tomorrow on charges of insulting the judiciary for criticizing a court decision to suspend a conference in September on the Armenian issue. Turkey, which drew the ire of the European Union for putting author Orhan Pamuk on trial for his public remarks on the Armenian issue, is expected to be criticized when hahaha1060;hahaha1040;smet Berkan, Erol Kathahaha1060;hahaha1041;rchahaha1060;hahaha1041;o glu, Haluk hahaha1061;~^ahin and Murat Belge of Radikal, and Hasan Cemal of Milliyet, face the court on charges that carry a sentence of between six months and 10 years. "I did nothing but enjoy my right to freedom of expression by saying that the... conference was necessary and that the court was hampering the proper functioning of democracy," Cemal told AFP. Twenty-nine writers or editors are currently on trial for violating controversial Article 301 of the new penal code, which criminalizes any opinion that could be considered insulting towards state institutions and "Turkishness." |
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You are too funny, what happened when U.S. wanted to use your border to attack Iraq from north, which would have saved many American lives, saved billions of dollars and made the war much easier? Your two faced country refused their entry, is that what true allies do in times of trouble? |
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And also it is interesting that you accuse me of blaming Columbus' actions on today' U.S government. You sound as if Cloumbus had wiped out all the Indians in his time. But sure, i will just ignore Columbus and look at the deeds done after him. Forgive me if i am wrong but i think US was formed in 1774 with the Declaration of Independance, right? But of course that does not mean that what happened before 1774 can be ignored easily as they were your ancestors. onlineutah.com/bearrivermassacre.shtml : --------On 29 January 1863 Colonel Patrick Edward Connor and about 200 California Volunteers attacked a Northwestern Shoshoni winter village located at the confluence of Beaver Creek and Bear River, twelve miles west and north of the village of Franklin in Cache Valley and just a short distance north of the present Utah-Idaho boundary line..... Before the colonel led his men from Camp Douglas at Salt Lake City north to Bear River, he had announced that he intended to take no prisoners.......... The Volunteers suffered most of their twenty-three casualties in their first charge across the open plain in front of the Shoshoni village. Colonel Connor soon changed tactics, which resulted in a complete envelopment of the Shoshoni camp by the soldiers who began firing on the Indian men, women, and children indiscriminately. By 8:00 a.m., the Indian men were out of ammunition, and the last two hours of the battle became a massacre as the soldiers used their revolvers to shoot down all the Indians they could find in the dense willows of the camp. Approximately 250 Shoshoni were slain, including 90 women and children. After the slaughter ended, some of the undisciplined soldiers went through the Indian village raping women and using axes to bash in the heads of women and children who were already dying of wounds. Chief Bear Hunter was killed along with sub-chief, Lehi. The troops burned the seventy-five Indian lodges, recovered 1,000 bushels of wheat and flour, and appropriated 175 Shoshoni horses. While the troops cared for their wounded and took their dead back to Camp Douglas for burial, the Indians' bodies were left on the field for the wolves and crows. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ands we have general custer.... --------- hanksville.org/daniel/misc/Custer.html : ... the culmination of this campaign was the massacre of Black Kettle's Southern Cheyennes in the Battle of the Washita, November 27, 1868, with 103 Cheyennes dead in the mud and snow. The animals were all slaughtered, at Custer's order. All captured possessions were burned -------------------------------------------------- and of course we have the trail of tears -------- powersource.com/cherokee/history.html Under orders from President Jackson, the U.S. Army began enforcement of the Removal Act. Around 3,000 Cherokees were rounded up in the summer of 1838 and loaded onto boats that traveled the Tennessee, Ohio, Mississippi, and Arkansas Rivers into Indian Territory. Many were held in prison camps awaiting their fate. In the winter of 1838-39, 14,000 were marched 1,200 miles through Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, and Arkansas into rugged Indian Territory. An estimated 4,000 died from hunger, exposure and disease. and there are many others and we have slavery and the things done to african americans. so Columbus' actions, my ass. |
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Please answer me one question: Do you think that today's Germany is responsible for the actions of Nazi Germany and should today's Germany do the following (which it already did): 1. Accept the Holocaust? 2. Pay restitution to Jews, whos families were affected by the Holocaust? If you answered "yes" and I hope you did, then you answered my next question: Is Turkey responsible for the actions of the Ottoman Empire, to which it was heir? I am not saying Turkey itself committed Genocide, although Ataturk was the one who finished the Armenian Question, by driving out the last ones. But Turkey should accept the Armenian Genocide, pay for all the land and money it stole from the Armenians. Don't you agree this will be a noble step for Turkey and will play positively for its bid to join the EU? |
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2)Um..isn't Freedom of Speech one of the main reasons we're fighting in Iraq? And now you get pissed when someone excercises their freedom of Speech in Turkey? You can certainly hate the movie, but you also have to remember that this country has given a lot of people plenty of fodder over the years to make movies out of. |
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I totally understand what you are saying, but Turkey does not have freedom of speech. They jail writers and journalists for speaking their minds, as I indicated earlier with many sources, but when it comes to anti-American movie, they have no problem of showing it. Try making a movie about the Armenian Genocide or try showing it in Turkey, they will put you in prison for life! See, this is my point, if Turkey is so concerned about the freedom of speech, then it should revoke its penal code which basically can jail a person for insulting Turkey's "Turkishness", no country on Earth, well except the dictatorship ones, has this kind of laws. |
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