Cogent will die.

Cisco does NOT own it at all. They simply invested a massive amount of money into, so I guess in that sense they do.

Post-Enron (I hate that phrase), I think the whole "hey, we'll give you VC in exchange for buying a ton of gear so we can show good sales numbers" stuff will be looked down upon, so I'm hoping (fingers crossed) cisco will just cut their losses and get the hell outa dodge.

If you don't understand why cogent is not able to get new peering arrangements setup, just use the search function for some of my posts under the subject. To sum it up, the players that they are attempting to put out of business by undercutting (selling far below cost), don't take kindly to making their business strategy viable. I think the shit will hit the fan a lot more in regards to this.

I think the hosting world will be a much better place w/o cogent. It will get rid of a lot of worthless hosts that don't know shit, and then true price competition can begin again. Right now when you use cogent bandwidth, it's being subsidised by the VC backing of cogent. ;) So.. you are burning cisco's money up! Go submit more galleries! ;)

Notice the whole pro-cogent is entirely price-based, they have absolutely no other argument at all. Just rah-rah, cogent rocks because I had it X months and it rules and it rocks and I only pay $3k for 100mbit!

Don't get me wrong, I advise my own customers w/o a clue to use cogent when it's applicable. I tell them to put their main site on my stuff, and host images/etc. on the cheapass cogent provider-of-the-day while they can. They save a ton of money.


Oh well, been up over 24 hours now. In short, ride the horse while it lasts, because it shall soon be dead. Just make sure you have a backup plan for when cogent goes under and you can no longer get sub $1.00/gig bandwidth unless you're absolutely huge.

So in short, no and yes. Bandwidth will go up when cogent dies, then slowly go back down to near cogent levels within a few years when it's financially viable to do so.

I think cogent has done far more harm to the ISP industry than help. Although I do admit it has fostered a bit of price-cutting and such, it also introduced a bucket of worms that will be damned hard to shut.

peace,

-Phil

Phil21, I could get bandwidth for less than $1.00/gb without using Cogent, so I don't know what you're talking about in your post.

do you know how rapidly cogentco is growing this year?

way more then any other network provider

i think this year is the year people really realised them and their fair prices, and good pipe.

Yeah, Cogent is getting customers like a muthafucka.

It aint goin out of business.

OK, I am not going to ramble on to much, but I'll give you some real info:

1. Bandwidth Prices (Current Market Situation): Yes, Bandwidth is getting cheaper. I have a contracts for additional fiber through 2 more providers, I just have not deployed them yet. 1 is for $60/MBps and the 2nd is for $75/Mbps and they are both through well known companies with a great networks and peering. I'd tell you who they are, but I had to sign NDA's. The $60/MBps is only if I purchase 400 MBps and the $75/Mbps is If I purchase 200 MBps. This is twice as much as Cogent, but it is well below what we have been seeing in the past.

2. Bandwidth Prices (Future Market Situation): Technologies will have an effect on Bandwidth Prices, guaranteed. What happens when you take something and increase the supply 4x?, the prices drop. OC-768 Hardware is ready, and telecommunications company are getting ready to deploy it. To explain, by upgrading the equipment that routes Internet traffic, the new hardware will increase OC-192 lines to OC-768 lines. The existing fiber optic lines will now be able to transfer at 4 X the speed, quadrupling a networks bandwidth once deployed. Alcatel, Lucent, Nortel and Ciena are all companies that are making this possible by developing the next generation of routing equipment. This technology is expected to reach the market in 2 years. (I'm waiting)

3. Cogents Future: Cogent has secured nearly $500 million in capital to fund its aggressive nationwide network build. They are backed by Cisco. In response to Bash's mis-guided comment, Cogent has access agreements to service over 3,400 Buildings totaling close to one billion square feet of space in 20 of the nation?s largest markets.

4. What if?: What if Cogent goes out of business? How does it effect me as an ISP and how does it effect you? Well, as an ISP, I am setting myself up with the next best deal and deploying that as we speak. If Cogent fails, I would barely have to raise my prices. As a webmaster or adult business owner, you will have to choose the next best thing or just give up on your business. My focus as CEO of Cologroup is to offer the best prices available to my customers. I am constantly doing research and laying the ground work so that if something did happen to Cogent, my customers would not have to change ISPs, they could still get the best deal in the industry from cologroup.com

Well, that is my input, and I hope my customers and anyone else who uses Cogent finds it useful. Just keep in mind, this is the adult indutstry, no banks finance us, there are no IPOs, and you dont last loosing money or barely making it. If you have a chance to cut your costs, cut your costs and be happy about it.
:thumbsup :2 cents:

$1.00/Gig is equivelant to $320/Mbps. I hope you are not really paying a $1.00/Gig

Jason @ Cologroup is the smartest guy in the hosting business.

Thats why I have a server with them and its running great.

the guy is obviously smart

no need to kiss his ass

theres not going to be enough brown left for the rest of the ass kissers!

:)

I've never heard of any Tier 1 providers that make you sign a NDA just to quote you a price. Has anybody else?

i have.

when you deal with big boys, thats how you do things

Yeah, I could see them requiring NDAs because they might have existing clients that are currently paying way more than what they are about to offer you, and they don't want their current clients to know that they can get the same bandwidth for cheaper.

exactly

It is not a deal for everybody, therefore I cant publish the name of the provider. You'll probably figure out who it is when we launch the service. And, btw, no it is not Level 3, Verio, Global Crossing, or Exodus.

Cogent's not dying.

You think Cicso pumped all that money into them and didn't realize there would a few year's delay in Cogent becoming a profitable company?

Cicso is not a stupid, and they are extremely well funded. They did not just jump into this whole Cogent business without knowing what to expect.

I'm a little confused. Your on one provider now, Cogent, and you have plans to bring in 2 more providers which you can not disclose because you claim both of them made you sign NDA's...

You say it is not level3 but yet you have a level3 button on your webpage?

http://cologroup.com/dedicated_serve...bandwidth.html

bash

they use level3 as a backup, incase cogent ever goes down, his customers never do.

:)

Ok... Thanks. That makes more sense now... So, 100% of his network traffic is carried on Cogent... but he has a big old level3 pipe stashed away that carries no bandwidth because it is only there just incase Cogent goes down?

Yes

i think it carries pipe as well

just not as much

i can't remember, he was telling me about it a month or 2 ago

but it's all good

we have a box with him for traffic stuff, hasn't been down yet

another perk they offer is remote booters

so if your server ever locks up or goes down, you can just login to a web based panel and reboot your server by pressing a button

very nice

Level3 is used as backup and Cogent is primary. Suprisingly, Cogent has been one of the most reliable providers I have had.

All the telecoms are dieing and they are not making any money. There are only about 3 that make money. They rest will die and get bought cheap buy Sprint, Worldcom and AT&T.

I really like what Cogent has done. Without companys like Cogent pricing would never have come down like this. It only benefits us. Just like what AMD has done to Intel. Without AMD we would all be paying tripple and still be at sub 1Ghz levels.

We need more companys like Cogent to pop up. You can bash Cogent all you want but they are not as bad as you think. Due is right, people have more problems with their servers and software than with Cogent.

If there are only a few companys left we will be paying the roof for bandwidth. They spent billions on equipment and need to make the money back. They will have more power to raise prices.

Yipes and Telseon do the same thing as Cogent, but nobody ever talks about them.

they probably don't have a big of network as cogent does :)

Yipes is like $3000 for 10Mbps and Telseon I am not sure about. Yipes has far better peering than Cogent and from what I heard it's awesome but the prices are not even close to Cogent. Good to BGP them both though but you need 1000 IPs in order to apply for BGP and most carriers won't give you that many IPs unless you can prove usage.

http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread...ighlight=yipes

http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread...hlight=telseon

Without knowing much about this situation.. From what's been presented in this thread, i'd have to go with Jason from cologroup. I'm hoping to get a server with you guys in a few months once i feel my site is in need of it's own server. (currently sharing a server with a friend on rackshack)

Good choice. Get a dedicated server now. Its worth it.

I'd be inclined to agree. But right now, i don't need it. And i'm not a big fan of spending money unless i have to.

Pimpshost,

You are not in a position to provide any objective views on Cogent.

Previously someone mentioned people only talk about how cheap Cogent is, no one mentions any other positive features.

I wonder if there are any?

True, he is biased because he is somewhat dependent on Cogent, but his post was the best and most informative post in this whole thread. Why are you gettin all nasty towards him?

Nasty? Obviously you don't know what that word means ;-)

I said you're getting nasty because you accuse him of claiming he was making an objective opinion. Can you show me where he ever said his opinion was objective?

Read carefully.
He is not in a position to provide any objective views on Cogent as he uses them intensively himself.

Thank you for asking.

Pimpshost never said his view was objective. So why are you accusing him of it?

I know I'm bumping a really really old thread here, but I was searching for something else and came across this.

I find it hilarious how most of the "smart guys" in the hosting biz predicted that cogent would go out of business and bandwidth prices would go back up.

5 years later and cogent is still here and bandwidth is cheaper than it's ever been.

I'm guessing really cheap, I currently have 100mbps for 999 a month, so about 10 bucks per mbit

That's a pretty sick price, never seen one that low.

Who's it with? Managed or unmanaged? What are you paying for server rent etc?