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jmk 06-18-2006 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexy Rex
How about posting Convertion ratios and retention numbers over 18 months in real time as we do? http://www.totemcash.com/free/figures.php

I don't see much other sponsors being as transparent out there...

VERY nice Rex :thumbsup

Jace 06-18-2006 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex
How about posting Convertion ratios and retention numbers over 18 months in real time as we do? http://www.totemcash.com/free/figures.php

I don't see much other sponsors being as transparent out there...

I could care less about that shit, I see other sponsors do it, and it is fun to look at, but plays absolutely no importance into what I I am going to do with your program

Jace 06-18-2006 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Taboo
How important is it for affiliates to have access to the site they are promoting?

I'm thinking of providing VIP access but with limitations. As an affiliate, it's important to ME to be able to "see" what I'm selling, but I don't necessarily need to "feel" it. I like to know I'm pushing a good product, and if it's revshare, I want to see how often they update. But as a Sponsor, I wouldn't want to give "All Access" passes to countless webmasters for obvious reasons (surfers in disguise, bandwidth concerns, content theft, etc.) Maybe provide affiliates with a "Behind the Scenes" membership that allows them to surf the site, see what's going on, but under a more watchful eye.

Kind of like going to a nightclub where you get to go into the DJ booth, but you don't get to dance. Or you get to go behind the bar and see what we're pouring, but you don't get to sample everything. :) (maybe those aren't the best illustrations, but you see where I'm coming from)

(obviously webmasters who are Whales or "Trusted" are exceptions to the rule)

Anyone know of any Sponsors that give full or limited access to affiliates? Most importantly, any sponsors reading this that used to offer it but discontinued? if so, what were the reasons?

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there are a couple of programs that do this, but only do it to active affiliates...you have to send X # of hits, or a single sale, to prove that you are actually a webmaster....I love that

Taboo 06-18-2006 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby
Allow affiliates to put their own logos on images and videos, so that they are not providing free advertising.

Hmmm... interesting, but are you talking about on FHGs or your own hosting? Would content owners have a problem with this? would 2257 be an issue if you are watermarking something that's not a FHG?

which sponsors offer this?

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jmk 06-18-2006 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace
there are a couple of programs that do this, but only do it to active affiliates...you have to send X # of hits, or a single sale, to prove that you are actually a webmaster....I love that

can you say who? thanks

Taboo 06-18-2006 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexy Rex
We give free access to members areas to all our webmasters. You need to do one sale on a site to gain access, that's to make sure we don't lose sales with surfers joining the affiliation program just to get access... Furthermore, as we're selling desktop strippers, any images and videos from our members area can be freely used for promotion ;)
Ok, I'll stop the spam from here.. hehe.

don't stop.. keep spamming. that's partly what this thread is for. At least you're smart enough to discuss these topics with affiliates. Gotta respect a sponsor that takes the time to see what affiliates want/need, etc... sign of a good sponsor.

and this part is really good news:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sexy Rex
any images and videos from our members area can be freely used for promotion ;)

now what about some feedback on our other list items above? :winkwink: which do you offer? have you tried any features that didn't work out too well (no one liked or cared about), or features that affiliates loved?

thanks in advance...


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Jace 06-18-2006 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jmk
can you say who? thanks

APC and PerfectGonzo are 2 that I know right off the top of my head

almost every program will give you access though, just email the support and ask....I have user/pass to almost every site I promote right now

Taboo 06-18-2006 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace
there are a couple of programs that do this, but only do it to active affiliates...you have to send X # of hits, or a single sale, to prove that you are actually a webmaster....I love that

yes that works out quite nicely. great strategy.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life 06-18-2006 09:48 PM

Some really good ideas there.:thumbsup

Taboo 06-18-2006 10:03 PM

where's WOJ?

woj 06-18-2006 10:05 PM

50....,....

Taboo 06-18-2006 10:05 PM

I wonder how many sponsors still payout on revshare even if you've stopped promoting their site? anyone have a sponsor cut you off when they found out you were no longer active? just curious...

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RogerV10 06-18-2006 10:11 PM

The programs that offer TOO Much for the affiliate end up shaving to get by.

Only a few can do it.

Taboo 06-19-2006 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerV10
The programs that offer TOO Much for the affiliate end up shaving to get by.

Only a few can do it.

I'm sure programs that offer very LITTLE for the affiliate shave as well. I don't think offering TOO much means that a sponsor is branded as a SHAVER... many of the things we're discussing don't focus solely on payouts & percentages.

if a sponsor can only offer $30 PPS or 50% RevShare but had a long features/benefits list: i.e. rss feeds, byot, co-branding, watermarking, FHGs, realtime stats, weekly payouts, multi-tiered, longer cookies, contests, fansigns, trucker hats & tshirts (like the company in your sig :)), lots of updates, (above average) design, quality content, site access, and support, support, support... that wouldn't make them dishonest in my eyes.

but I see your point... but shaving happens at every level, regardless of industry. fact of life... but if you suspect someone's shaving, move on.

Personally, I think my Bank has been shaving me lately. :winkwink:


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d00t 06-19-2006 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Taboo
my short list of features I look for, not all are necessary components, but this is my wishlist:
- Real time stats
- Frequent Payouts
- PPS & Revshare options... cause sometimes I prefer revshare
- Multi-tiered webmaster referrals
- Eternal Cookies
- RSS Feeds
- Bonus Payouts
- Paid on exits, cross-sells, upsells, etc.

Totally depends on what your traffic source is on what you would need in an affiliate program - like a TGP submitter isn't going to give a rats ass about RSS feeds but may be intersted in free hosting....

For me, the minimum standard a program NEEDS before I even look at it:

- Good reputation with positive history (to prove they can pay me if I send 2,000 joins tomorrow - a lot of smaller companies just can't meet this)
- Credit for exits, or increased $persign for not retaining credit on exits down the line.
- A few other things.....

Basic items like realtime stats, on-time payouts, icq/aim support should I need it, multiple join options I get credit for, epass payouts and such are so standard now that you wouldn't even bother having a program without it. Like buying a car without air conditioning or power windows.....


Affiliates: above all else, do your homework before switching sponsors so you don't need to come onto gfy and bitch about them later down the line.

Taboo 06-19-2006 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by d00t
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good advice...

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Taboo 06-20-2006 03:12 AM

morning bump...

Taboo 06-21-2006 02:09 PM

serious question:

How many of you out there will only promote a program if it offers Pay Per Signup? Do you shy away from RevShare only?

Taboo 06-21-2006 07:44 PM

evening bump...

V_RocKs 06-21-2006 08:17 PM

I Need To Know Where The Sale Came From...

Taboo 06-21-2006 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs
I Need To Know Where The Sale Came From...

elaborate? detailed clickstream data? or?

potter 06-21-2006 09:42 PM

I just wanted to reply to the idea of the lifetime locked cookie. Which is the dumbest idea I have ever heard of.

Someone could make a single page which would popup, frame, or script hundreds and hundreds of programs sites, inherently placing the lifetime locked cookie onto their computer for all of those site. They would then own that surfer's subscriptions for life unless he got a new computer/formatted.

Taboo 06-21-2006 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by potter
I just wanted to reply to the idea of the lifetime locked cookie. Which is the dumbest idea I have ever heard of.

Someone could make a single page which would popup, frame, or script hundreds and hundreds of programs sites, inherently placing the lifetime locked cookie onto their computer for all of those site. They would then own that surfer's subscriptions for life unless he got a new computer/formatted.


still lots of room for improvement & evolution of the idea.

not to put you on the spot.. but, for comparions's sake, how long are your cookies set for?

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Taboo 06-23-2006 02:07 AM

bump for a rare business thread!

Sasha13 06-23-2006 02:33 PM

Thanks for starting this thread Taboo.

I just started with a new sponsor program and will make sure to implement as many of the suggestions possible.

I wanted to ask what you thought was a good turnaround time on creating custom galeries, Banners etc? 24 hrs?

I also wanted to ask what everyone finds is the best format for galleries...#pics, #of vids, length of vids (3 x 20 secs, 1 x 60 secs, etc...)?

Thanks for all your help and since I have a "Crackberry" I always get back to you :)

anne 06-23-2006 05:11 PM

Finnallly a thread that made me smarter instead of the normal junk. Thank you :)

Taboo 06-24-2006 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by anne
Finnallly a thread that made me smarter instead of the normal junk. Thank you :)

next time I'll include some PIX so that we get double the amount of replies. :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 06-24-2006 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FuckU2
I want a program that has :
1. Has well designed sites
2. Good original content
3. Updates regularly
4. Pays weekly ( CCbill or Epoch )
5. Doesnt use IBILL ( or any of its recent incarnations like Maturebill etc )
6. Has some history in this business ( ie been around for more than 6 months 5 years is better ! )
7. Not interested in free stuff like Ipod's etc ( if i do my job i can buy them from the cash i will make ? )
8. Support ( this should be #1 really )
9. Good supply of promo images that i can use
10. Loads of video samples and content on the site

Everything before your post had me thinking WTF, these are for nothing. GOOD POST.

I want one thing, and yes I'm also an affiliate. A SITE THAT CONVERTS AND PAYS MORE THAN THE OTHERS.

Paul Markham 06-24-2006 01:55 AM

Seen some good ideas here and some ideas that show where the affiliates thinking is coming from, COMPUTERS.

A lot of the thinking is based around the vehicle that delivers the product and very little about the actual product itself.

Who here has asked for FANTASTIC PORN THAT IS NOT ON 10,000 OTHER SITES? Even though it's exclusive 90% of what is being sold is duplicated again and again. Look at all the great sites that make affiliates lots of money and you see something different or better.

So here's my wish list I want from a sponsor.

GIVE THE SURFERS SUCH A GREAT EXPERIENCE, HE JOINS.

That's it, keep your stats, cookies, banners and computer related crap. Just give the surfer a great experience, convert and retain him and keep him coming to the Internet to buy porn.

If more sponsors did that and worried less about the affiliates we would all be making more money.

Paul Markham 06-24-2006 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lazonby
Allow affiliates to put their own logos on images and videos, so that they are not providing free advertising.

We are not providing you with free advertising if we gave you the content.

But there's nothing to stop you buying content and putting your own label on it. :winkwink:

Paul Markham 06-24-2006 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taboo
How important is it for affiliates to have access to the site they are promoting?

I juast started a review site, www.primepornreviews.com, which will get launched soon I promise.

I was surprised at the number of sites who were scared to give me access, scared I might give a too true review? And it was not just me I heard of other sites that do the same.

What are they scared of?

Taboo 06-24-2006 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham
I juast started a review site, www.primepornreviews.com, which will get launched soon I promise.

I was surprised at the number of sites who were scared to give me access, scared I might give a too true review? And it was not just me I heard of other sites that do the same.

What are they scared of?


yep. happens across the board. a lot of sponsors aren't focused on giving the member any reason to recur, and I don't doubt that many aren't delivering what they promised on the inside.

shiloh451 06-24-2006 04:40 PM

A couple of additions.
1) Easy campaign setup for ad tracking.
2)Make the no console option obvious.
3)At least a monthly stats summary by email.
4) And yes the banner/ad situation is all over the place.

scottybuzz 06-24-2006 04:54 PM

yes i dont give a fuck about rewards, the money you make is your reward to buy the rewards -you- want.

What I like is that the sites I send to are designed to rebill.

Pays weekly
Support high
fansigns are important to my site, so i need them
and good porn i can whack of too

Taboo 06-24-2006 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiloh451
A couple of additions.
1) Easy campaign setup for ad tracking.
2)Make the no console option obvious.
3)At least a monthly stats summary by email.
4) And yes the banner/ad situation is all over the place.


#3, it should be daily updates via email or rss... that would make more sense.

Taboo 06-26-2006 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So here's my wish list I want from a sponsor.

GIVE THE SURFERS SUCH A GREAT EXPERIENCE, HE JOINS.

easier said than done.

Taboo 06-27-2006 06:21 PM

need some more good suggestions.

LadyMischief 06-27-2006 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham
Everything before your post had me thinking WTF, these are for nothing. GOOD POST.

I want one thing, and yes I'm also an affiliate. A SITE THAT CONVERTS AND PAYS MORE THAN THE OTHERS.


Sometimes it's not about paying more than the others or even converting more, depending on your business model it's much better to have conversions, retention, AND consistancy, even if the numbers don't seem as impressive at first as the big PPS sponsors.

Taboo 07-20-2006 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LadyMischief
Sometimes it's not about paying more than the others or even converting more, depending on your business model it's much better to have conversions, retention, AND consistancy, even if the numbers don't seem as impressive at first as the big PPS sponsors.

true. anyone else have some suggestions...

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Kimo 07-20-2006 10:08 PM

pay by epassporte, offer pps and revshare options, and nats is always a plus


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