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woj 06-20-2006 12:02 PM
Cincuenta!........

Rolo 06-20-2006 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pornpf69
that site is really awesome!!
Just think of when the clones arrives... 100s of these offering every surfer on the internet 1000s of FREE hours of videos. And it will be the good stuff, because its the surfers who will upload their favorite porn movies.

ZERO control for the studio owners, and affiliates - they have been thrown out by AEBN.

You thought GUBA was bad, then you have seen nothing yet... AEBN will not stop here!

sweetcuties 06-20-2006 12:06 PM
I posted on page 1... this is an important thread. Everyone on here should read this :thumbsup

bump

FlexxAeon 06-20-2006 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jayeff
...But the vast majority of people will never pay for (online) porn and those who are willing to do so understand the difference between premium porn and free porn, even if, apparently, a lot of webmasters cannot make that distinction...
some people see the value of premium porn, some dont....but that doesn't excuse the vast amounts of porn given away for free. it's just plain dumb.

when any company that does mass production (lets say toothpaste) has stuff that doesn't pass quality control (ex : the copy on the box got printed wrong), do they throw it out into the street?? no, they sell it at a marked down rate (like to the 99 cent store) to at least make SOME of the money back.

our business model is fucked, plain & simple

Dollarmansteve 06-20-2006 12:16 PM
Why would people pay for music when you can get it for free?

Those fools over at apple and their idiotic "itunes" business wont last 6 months.

JOHNNY_BUTTHOLES 06-20-2006 12:18 PM
When I was young, I used to have to jerk off to all the porn I found in the woods.

Rolo 06-20-2006 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
Why would people pay for music when you can get it for free?

Those fools over at apple and their idiotic "itunes" business wont last 6 months.
Because "Mr. Speedy Gonzales" aka. the surfer... only needs 5 minutes or less to jerk off... something AEBN now provides to him for FREE :)

When people hear a good music tune, then they will hear it again and again... when people have jerked off to a video, then they want a new one.

Do not compare "apples" and "oranges" :2 cents:

FlexxAeon 06-20-2006 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
Why would people pay for music when you can get it for free?

Those fools over at apple and their idiotic "itunes" business wont last 6 months.
you think itunes would have a chance if they didn't have RIAA + the whole record industry trying to shut down "free music"?

jayeff 06-20-2006 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FlexxAeon
when any company that does mass production (lets say toothpaste) has stuff that doesn't pass quality control (ex : the copy on the box got printed wrong), do they throw it out into the street?? no, they sell it at a marked down rate (like to the 99 cent store) to at least make SOME of the money back.
Such comparisons are ludicrous and in any case toothpaste manufacturers do give out free samples.

We are not selling something people have to buy and we are selling something visual, thus it is far more effective to show people than to tell them about it. That isn't to say everyone uses content in the most effective way possible, but I do not believe that any damage caused by free content is near as much as that caused in other ways. Not only that, but while complaining about free content is a lot like p*ssing into the wind, other aspects of our business can be tackled by individual sponsors, without the need for any consensus.

marketsmart 06-20-2006 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rui
that and the image of the industry with shit like spamming, adware, spyware, pre-checked crossells,millions of "tgps",etc..etc...
all of the above are still going strong and some are making a nice comeback....

FlexxAeon 06-20-2006 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jayeff
Such comparisons are ludicrous and in any case toothpaste manufacturers do give out free samples.

We are not selling something people have to buy and we are selling something visual, thus it is far more effective to show people than to tell them about it. That isn't to say everyone uses content in the most effective way possible, but I do not believe that any damage caused by free content is near as much as that caused in other ways. Not only that, but while complaining about free content is a lot like p*ssing into the wind, other aspects of our business can be tackled by individual sponsors, without the need for any consensus.
oh come on now......"ludicrous"?

and if you think the proportion of toothpaste samples are in line with the proportion of free samples of porn, i should be kicking around old toothpaste tubes and boxes everytime i walk to the store. free samples are great, but the amount of "free samples" of porn is what's ludicrous, and is what the real issue is.

consensous or not, tackling the free porn "giveaway bonanza" would help to settle many more issues if you look deeper. complaining about it is pissing in the wind, but doing something about it is not.

Rui 06-20-2006 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by marketsmart
all of the above are still going strong and some are making a nice comeback....
and then you see threads like this once a year complaining about how fucked up the adult online is... :error

tranza 06-20-2006 12:34 PM
That site should be taken down....

Rui 06-20-2006 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tranza
That site should be taken down....
sites like that will start to poop up...online free porn the Web 2.0 version

Rolo 06-20-2006 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jayeff
Webmasters keep on with this illusion that if porn were not available for free, everyone who looks at porn now would become a paying customer. The cost of going along with this naive idea is that we stop looking for what is really holding us back.
I will agree with you that todayīs businessmodel has much room for improvement, however how does Porntube improve the business model?

Or prehaps you also see this AEBN/GUBA take on marketing as a setback?

Anthony 06-20-2006 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jayeff
Webmasters keep on with this illusion that if porn were not available for free, everyone who looks at porn now would become a paying customer. The cost of going along with this naive idea is that we stop looking for what is really holding us back.
I guess back in 1994 when the first paysites were kicking it for a fee, and raking in 1000 plus signups a day was all a fantasy, eh? :)

2 things have hurt moneymaking potential.

1. Smaller Pie

2. Free Content

I will concede that smaller niches that are not so popular with their own content that can't be found anywhere else to be an exception.

But even that will be going away.

Kristian 06-20-2006 12:44 PM
There is a simple solution.

Dollarmansteve 06-20-2006 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
Because "Mr. Speedy Gonzales" aka. the surfer... only needs 5 minutes or less to jerk off... something AEBN now provides to him for FREE :)

When people hear a good music tune, then they will hear it again and again... when people have jerked off to a video, then they want a new one.

Do not compare "apples" and "oranges" :2 cents:
I think there are alot of people who have porn collections - they fall in love with a particular model, a certain fetish, etc. The people who watch the 30 second clip and jerk off arent our customers - they never were and never will be. It's slightly circular logic, and its obvious - but it's the people who are willing to pay who are our customers.

Tens of thousands of people pay for porn every single day - and im going to go out on a limb and say that because of the increasing familiarity of conducting transactions with credit cards online and with the increasing quality of content offered for a price - that the gross number of adult-related credit card transactions in increasing every single day.

So, in actual fact, the 'pie' (gross adult revenues on the internet) is on a steep upswing and will continue in the future.

Rolo 06-20-2006 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Kristian
There is a simple solution.
Beside to stop supporting those who see us as the enemy?

Rui 06-20-2006 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
I think there are alot of people who have porn collections - they fall in love with a particular model, a certain fetish, etc. The people who watch the 30 second clip and jerk off arent our customers - they never were and never will be. It's slightly circular logic, and its obvious - but it's the people who are willing to pay who are our customers.

Tens of thousands of people pay for porn every single day - and im going to go out on a limb and say that because of the increasing familiarity of conducting transactions with credit cards online and with the increasing quality of content offered for a price - that the gross number of adult-related credit card transactions in increasing every single day.

So, in actual fact, the 'pie' (gross adult revenues on the internet) is on a steep upswing and will continue in the future.
shit brilliant post, and to think about python's attiude regarding the "potential customer" in the past...irony?

Kristian 06-20-2006 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
Beside to stop supporting those who see us as the enemy?
Looking at my statement, it looks terribly pompous. Sometimes I'm just not in the mood to share but can't resist a comment. (I'm also waiting for dinner and low on blood sugar)

Put it this way, our blue-print for survival is already in effect, working successfully, and has been for a while.

GatorB 06-20-2006 12:53 PM
Hmmm YouTube for poen? Well a if they uploading a regualr porn movie that's copyright violationand PornTbe will be sued. Secondly if it's homemade well that's another can of worms . How are they going to get 2257 info on that? What if some 16 year old uploads a porn movie of herself? I'm not worried about PornTube the feds wil take care of it.

Dollarmansteve 06-20-2006 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Rui
shit brilliant post, and to think about python's attiude regarding the "potential customer" in the past...irony?
Snakes are known for shedding their skin.

Phoenix 06-20-2006 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
Why would people pay for music when you can get it for free?

Those fools over at apple and their idiotic "itunes" business wont last 6 months.

apples and oranges

Rolo 06-20-2006 12:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
The people who watch the 30 second clip and jerk off arent our customers - they never were and never will be. It's slightly circular logic, and its obvious - but it's the people who are willing to pay who are our customers.
These videos are not 30 seconds anymore - we are talking about 5, 10, 20 minutes or more in good quality. You can fit an entire porn scene in there with no problem :2 cents:

Rui 06-20-2006 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
Snakes are known for shedding their skin.
or "the well dried" :winkwink:

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
These videos are not 30 seconds anymore - we are talking about 5, 10, 20 minutes or more in good quality. You can fit an entire porn scene in there with no problem :2 cents:
Isn't their badnwidth bills quite expensive?

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Kristian
Looking at my statement, it looks terribly pompous. Sometimes I'm just not in the mood to share but can't resist a comment. (I'm also waiting for dinner and low on blood sugar)

Put it this way, our blue-print for survival is already in effect, working successfully, and has been for a while.
Whatever it is, then just remember that how you roll it out is just as important as the idea... good luck :thumbsup

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Isn't their badnwidth bills quite expensive?
Youtube is still here :thumbsup

RogerV 06-20-2006 01:03 PM
I've been saying this for years now.. And everyone just laughs and blows it off. we need some rules not just to clean it up but so we can all make more!

I have always said even drug dealers dont give it all away all the time..they give you enough to hook you then you pay..

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Isn't their badnwidth bills quite expensive?
Also remember once AEBN have succeeded in cutting out the affiliate (biggest cost today) + content costs, then they can take a much higher bandwidth bill per lead

Dollarmansteve 06-20-2006 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Isn't their badnwidth bills quite expensive?
There are economic realities, exactly.

There will always be business models that are built around 'free' product, but someone always has to pay the piper. Thats the great thing about free markets - they are self-regulating.

The existence of so much free content is self-evident proof that there is an economy to support it.

CIVMatt 06-20-2006 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jayeff
Webmasters keep on with this illusion that if porn were not available for free, everyone who looks at porn now would become a paying customer. The cost of going along with this naive idea is that we stop looking for what is really holding us back.

But the vast majority of people will never pay for (online) porn and those who are willing to do so understand the difference between premium porn and free porn, even if, apparently, a lot of webmasters cannot make that distinction.

I grant that if there were zero free porn, we might see a trickle of one-time, curiosity sales. On the other hand, we would lose one of the best marketing tools we have, so on balance I seriously doubt we would come out in front.

If we actually want a bigger cake, instead of fighting over the one we have, we need to look at what we are selling and how we are selling it. For the most part we are selling crap which would be overpriced whatever its cost. A lot of sponsors put zero thought into marketing and most of those who do, direct their energy into ways to screw buyers out of more money than they intended to spend.

In the last few days I was emailed about a brand new site, one which turns out to be based on pics originally sent out by a content club in 2001/2002. It was dirt cheap when it was new and has been so overused I have been rejecting TGP submissions which still use it. This morning I get a list of hosted movie galleries from a very well-known sponsor: unlit, over-optimized rubbish that wouldn't sell an ID if it were the only porn site on the planet.

We aren't selling primarily to newbies any more because they are a tiny minority of the surfing population and the only countries still showing any serious growth in Internet takeup are ones that by and large we cannot process payments for. As long as so many sponsors rely on armies of affiliates to make sales on the mud sticks principle, rather than offering something people actually want to buy, making money will keep getting harder.

Yesterday Will76 posted here about a scam he had got caught up in relating to charges added to his telephone bill. Everyone who responded was rightly indignant and a few even compared it to the scams online porn runs. But all those comments were along the lines of how much worse that scam was than anything in adult, or see, we are not the only people pulling tricks like that. Not one person pointed out that if such scams upset us, perhaps they upset our customers too...

I think the idea would be a slight pullback and everything out there or maybe a crackdown of the free hosting and forums where you can get ANYTHING.

giftedtwisted 06-20-2006 01:12 PM
people still buys cd's would would free porn stop the porn industry?

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
I think there are alot of people who have porn collections - they fall in love with a particular model, a certain fetish, etc. The people who watch the 30 second clip and jerk off arent our customers - they never were and never will be. It's slightly circular logic, and its obvious - but it's the people who are willing to pay who are our customers.

Tens of thousands of people pay for porn every single day - and im going to go out on a limb and say that because of the increasing familiarity of conducting transactions with credit cards online and with the increasing quality of content offered for a price - that the gross number of adult-related credit card transactions in increasing every single day.

So, in actual fact, the 'pie' (gross adult revenues on the internet) is on a steep upswing and will continue in the future.
Were just behind music. How many people just stole music off the internet? And yes it still happens quite a bit, but Apple and other companies are making kiling off selling songs for 99 cents. See despite the fact it's very easy to get song for free on the internet people are still willling to pay for a product because they see the value of it. Of course suing music stealers helped in that cause.

Also it seems that some mainstream media is taking a cue from us.

"Disney says ABC free web TV a hit with consumers"

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...-DISNEY-DC.XML

And of course march Madness was streamed for free on the internet his year too.

vvq 06-20-2006 01:16 PM
adapt.
the strong will survive.

frank7799 06-20-2006 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix
yes complete the circle

something i have been recommending to everyone i have consulted over the years...very very few agree and see the light though

i guess from their perspective if it aint broke dont fix it....hope it doesnt break
Speaking of a circle, I think itīs not only a sponsor problem. Try to get a gallery listed with teasing content only. Unless itīs a paid spot (not a submit pass), you wonīt have much luck with it. More and more content is required, some MGP sites require 6 movis per gallery.

So if the webmaster wants to get listed, he has to use too much and way too explicit content - content where the surfer jerks off to.

This webmaster asks the sponsor for more and more content. It really looks like a circle.

madawgz 06-20-2006 01:17 PM
what the fuck, that sites going to be huge!

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
Also remember once AEBN have succeeded in cutting out the affiliate (biggest cost today) + content costs, then they can take a much higher bandwidth bill per lead
AEBN only pays the affiliate 20%. So it's not like they are paying $35 for a $5 trial and hope to get the surfer tonot cancell.

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
The existence of so much free content is self-evident proof that there is an economy to support it.
Have you ever surfed TGPs? They sell everything EXCEPT porn :2 cents:

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by madawgz
what the fuck, that sites going to be huge!
larger than Yahoo?

http://video.yahoo.com/video/search?...vies&x=51&y=15

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
AEBN only pays the affiliate 20%. So it's not like they are paying $35 for a $5 trial and hope to get the surfer tonot cancell.
0% is still less than 20% :2 cents:

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by vvq
adapt.
the strong will survive.
We are doing this right now - in this thread... AEBN/GUBA etc. does not hold a patent on the future! :)

sweetcuties 06-20-2006 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by m4yadult
Speaking of a circle, I think itīs not only a sponsor problem. Try to get a gallery listed with teasing content only. Unless itīs a paid spot (not a submit pass), you wonīt have much luck with it. More and more content is required, some MGP sites require 6 movis per gallery.

So if the webmaster wants to get listed, he has to use too much and way too explicit content - content where the surfer jerks off to.

This webmaster asks the sponsor for more and more content. It really looks like a circle.
Then don't submit to that mpg or tgp, I refuse to give away hardcore for free. Shooting exclusive and running sites cost $$ that I'm not gonna give away.

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
0% is still less than 20% :2 cents:
So why is AEBN different that any other sponsor? You could say that about ALL affiliate programs. Paying out $0 is better than paying out $35. I would bet that for every sale I'm getting paid by other sponsors AEBN is making much more per $35 they pay. Not sure why you singled them out.

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
So why is AEBN different that any other sponsor? You could say that about ALL affiliate programs. Paying out $0 is better than paying out $35. I would bet that for every sale I'm getting paid by other sponsors AEBN is making much more per $35 they pay. Not sure why you singled them out.
Because AEBN owns and controls porntube? :helpme

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:37 PM
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GatorB 06-20-2006 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
Because AEBN owns and controls porntube? :helpme
Like I knew that. ASSHOLE. maybe you need :helpme.

Anthony 06-20-2006 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Like I knew that. ASSHOLE. maybe you need :helpme.
Looks like you do.

Your argument made no sense, and now you act all uppity because you got corrected.

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:40 PM
Anyways if it works like Youtube and as soon as some teenagers upload pornof themselves that will be the end of PornTube. Kind of weird they only bothered to register the name for 1 year.


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