if you cant monitize it, soon the cheap BW bill will grow and grow and grow...well you get the idea

yes complete the circle

something i have been recommending to everyone i have consulted over the years...very very few agree and see the light though

i guess from their perspective if it aint broke dont fix it....hope it doesnt break

:bigears

The sponsor should be providing LESS material, not more. So what if 1000 TGPs are all showing the same gallery. It's the 'tease factor' which makes surfers sign up*. Why would they sign up if they have already seen all of your members area across a load of TGPs.

*The surfer has two options: he can either get the content for free on a content ripping site or similar (these can be shut down or discouraged) or he can pay for the content by buying a membership. Providing your entire site for inclusion in TGPs is plain stupidity.

Take the sites like MET-art for example. I like the kind of girls on those sites and if it wasn't for the fact that all the content is easily available across x amount of TGPs, I'd be buying myself memberships. As it is, I can get all the content easily and for free.

I'm with AEBN and I have 2 studios with them. Here's my take:

1. Surfers are getting smart and their changing the genre and numbers on the vids, therefore having access to thousands of hrs of FREE content.

2. If you've got a studio, the content isn't watermarked.

3. I'm looking at one of my studios right now and they've got 10 different videos with 7 sec clips each! That's 70 seconds of FREE footage!!

4. To top it off with their new templates, they have 5 different movies but the movies are longer (15 sec's each)

5. I can easily send them approx 10 new vid's but prob won't. I don't like seeing my "unwatermarked" content splattered all over the place. I bust my ass finding these girls, especially pregnant girls and I don't like seeing $$ flying out the window.

It's just not AEBN, there's to much free porn out there. To many people giving away hardcore! I've been saying this for yrs. If you're seen my galleries out there, you know I tease the surfer. The idea is to convert, not to give the sufer everything.

That's my take :2 cents:

Well guys, there is a way out of this...............

46........

that site is really awesome!!

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD....someone start an organization/coalition/think tank/goon squad or something to change this shit. all this free porn out there not only hurts our pockets it gets us all into a lot of trouble :mad:

Webmasters keep on with this illusion that if porn were not available for free, everyone who looks at porn now would become a paying customer. The cost of going along with this naive idea is that we stop looking for what is really holding us back.

But the vast majority of people will never pay for (online) porn and those who are willing to do so understand the difference between premium porn and free porn, even if, apparently, a lot of webmasters cannot make that distinction.

I grant that if there were zero free porn, we might see a trickle of one-time, curiosity sales. On the other hand, we would lose one of the best marketing tools we have, so on balance I seriously doubt we would come out in front.

If we actually want a bigger cake, instead of fighting over the one we have, we need to look at what we are selling and how we are selling it. For the most part we are selling crap which would be overpriced whatever its cost. A lot of sponsors put zero thought into marketing and most of those who do, direct their energy into ways to screw buyers out of more money than they intended to spend.

In the last few days I was emailed about a brand new site, one which turns out to be based on pics originally sent out by a content club in 2001/2002. It was dirt cheap when it was new and has been so overused I have been rejecting TGP submissions which still use it. This morning I get a list of hosted movie galleries from a very well-known sponsor: unlit, over-optimized rubbish that wouldn't sell an ID if it were the only porn site on the planet.

We aren't selling primarily to newbies any more because they are a tiny minority of the surfing population and the only countries still showing any serious growth in Internet takeup are ones that by and large we cannot process payments for. As long as so many sponsors rely on armies of affiliates to make sales on the mud sticks principle, rather than offering something people actually want to buy, making money will keep getting harder.

Yesterday Will76 posted here about a scam he had got caught up in relating to charges added to his telephone bill. Everyone who responded was rightly indignant and a few even compared it to the scams online porn runs. But all those comments were along the lines of how much worse that scam was than anything in adult, or see, we are not the only people pulling tricks like that. Not one person pointed out that if such scams upset us, perhaps they upset our customers too...

Cincuenta!........

Just think of when the clones arrives... 100s of these offering every surfer on the internet 1000s of FREE hours of videos. And it will be the good stuff, because its the surfers who will upload their favorite porn movies.

ZERO control for the studio owners, and affiliates - they have been thrown out by AEBN.

You thought GUBA was bad, then you have seen nothing yet... AEBN will not stop here!

I posted on page 1... this is an important thread. Everyone on here should read this :thumbsup

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some people see the value of premium porn, some dont....but that doesn't excuse the vast amounts of porn given away for free. it's just plain dumb.

when any company that does mass production (lets say toothpaste) has stuff that doesn't pass quality control (ex : the copy on the box got printed wrong), do they throw it out into the street?? no, they sell it at a marked down rate (like to the 99 cent store) to at least make SOME of the money back.

our business model is fucked, plain & simple

Why would people pay for music when you can get it for free?

Those fools over at apple and their idiotic "itunes" business wont last 6 months.

When I was young, I used to have to jerk off to all the porn I found in the woods.

Because "Mr. Speedy Gonzales" aka. the surfer... only needs 5 minutes or less to jerk off... something AEBN now provides to him for FREE :)

When people hear a good music tune, then they will hear it again and again... when people have jerked off to a video, then they want a new one.

Do not compare "apples" and "oranges" :2 cents:

you think itunes would have a chance if they didn't have RIAA + the whole record industry trying to shut down "free music"?

Such comparisons are ludicrous and in any case toothpaste manufacturers do give out free samples.

We are not selling something people have to buy and we are selling something visual, thus it is far more effective to show people than to tell them about it. That isn't to say everyone uses content in the most effective way possible, but I do not believe that any damage caused by free content is near as much as that caused in other ways. Not only that, but while complaining about free content is a lot like p*ssing into the wind, other aspects of our business can be tackled by individual sponsors, without the need for any consensus.

all of the above are still going strong and some are making a nice comeback....

oh come on now......"ludicrous"?

and if you think the proportion of toothpaste samples are in line with the proportion of free samples of porn, i should be kicking around old toothpaste tubes and boxes everytime i walk to the store. free samples are great, but the amount of "free samples" of porn is what's ludicrous, and is what the real issue is.

consensous or not, tackling the free porn "giveaway bonanza" would help to settle many more issues if you look deeper. complaining about it is pissing in the wind, but doing something about it is not.

and then you see threads like this once a year complaining about how fucked up the adult online is... :error

That site should be taken down....

sites like that will start to poop up...online free porn the Web 2.0 version

I will agree with you that today´s businessmodel has much room for improvement, however how does Porntube improve the business model?

Or prehaps you also see this AEBN/GUBA take on marketing as a setback?

I guess back in 1994 when the first paysites were kicking it for a fee, and raking in 1000 plus signups a day was all a fantasy, eh? :)

2 things have hurt moneymaking potential.

1. Smaller Pie

2. Free Content

I will concede that smaller niches that are not so popular with their own content that can't be found anywhere else to be an exception.

But even that will be going away.

There is a simple solution.

I think there are alot of people who have porn collections - they fall in love with a particular model, a certain fetish, etc. The people who watch the 30 second clip and jerk off arent our customers - they never were and never will be. It's slightly circular logic, and its obvious - but it's the people who are willing to pay who are our customers.

Tens of thousands of people pay for porn every single day - and im going to go out on a limb and say that because of the increasing familiarity of conducting transactions with credit cards online and with the increasing quality of content offered for a price - that the gross number of adult-related credit card transactions in increasing every single day.

So, in actual fact, the 'pie' (gross adult revenues on the internet) is on a steep upswing and will continue in the future.

Beside to stop supporting those who see us as the enemy?

shit brilliant post, and to think about python's attiude regarding the "potential customer" in the past...irony?

Looking at my statement, it looks terribly pompous. Sometimes I'm just not in the mood to share but can't resist a comment. (I'm also waiting for dinner and low on blood sugar)

Put it this way, our blue-print for survival is already in effect, working successfully, and has been for a while.

Hmmm YouTube for poen? Well a if they uploading a regualr porn movie that's copyright violationand PornTbe will be sued. Secondly if it's homemade well that's another can of worms . How are they going to get 2257 info on that? What if some 16 year old uploads a porn movie of herself? I'm not worried about PornTube the feds wil take care of it.

Snakes are known for shedding their skin.

apples and oranges

These videos are not 30 seconds anymore - we are talking about 5, 10, 20 minutes or more in good quality. You can fit an entire porn scene in there with no problem :2 cents:

or "the well dried" :winkwink:

Isn't their badnwidth bills quite expensive?

Whatever it is, then just remember that how you roll it out is just as important as the idea... good luck :thumbsup

Youtube is still here :thumbsup

I've been saying this for years now.. And everyone just laughs and blows it off. we need some rules not just to clean it up but so we can all make more!

I have always said even drug dealers dont give it all away all the time..they give you enough to hook you then you pay..