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Rolo 06-20-2006 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Isn't their badnwidth bills quite expensive?
Also remember once AEBN have succeeded in cutting out the affiliate (biggest cost today) + content costs, then they can take a much higher bandwidth bill per lead

Dollarmansteve 06-20-2006 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Isn't their badnwidth bills quite expensive?
There are economic realities, exactly.

There will always be business models that are built around 'free' product, but someone always has to pay the piper. Thats the great thing about free markets - they are self-regulating.

The existence of so much free content is self-evident proof that there is an economy to support it.

CIVMatt 06-20-2006 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jayeff
Webmasters keep on with this illusion that if porn were not available for free, everyone who looks at porn now would become a paying customer. The cost of going along with this naive idea is that we stop looking for what is really holding us back.

But the vast majority of people will never pay for (online) porn and those who are willing to do so understand the difference between premium porn and free porn, even if, apparently, a lot of webmasters cannot make that distinction.

I grant that if there were zero free porn, we might see a trickle of one-time, curiosity sales. On the other hand, we would lose one of the best marketing tools we have, so on balance I seriously doubt we would come out in front.

If we actually want a bigger cake, instead of fighting over the one we have, we need to look at what we are selling and how we are selling it. For the most part we are selling crap which would be overpriced whatever its cost. A lot of sponsors put zero thought into marketing and most of those who do, direct their energy into ways to screw buyers out of more money than they intended to spend.

In the last few days I was emailed about a brand new site, one which turns out to be based on pics originally sent out by a content club in 2001/2002. It was dirt cheap when it was new and has been so overused I have been rejecting TGP submissions which still use it. This morning I get a list of hosted movie galleries from a very well-known sponsor: unlit, over-optimized rubbish that wouldn't sell an ID if it were the only porn site on the planet.

We aren't selling primarily to newbies any more because they are a tiny minority of the surfing population and the only countries still showing any serious growth in Internet takeup are ones that by and large we cannot process payments for. As long as so many sponsors rely on armies of affiliates to make sales on the mud sticks principle, rather than offering something people actually want to buy, making money will keep getting harder.

Yesterday Will76 posted here about a scam he had got caught up in relating to charges added to his telephone bill. Everyone who responded was rightly indignant and a few even compared it to the scams online porn runs. But all those comments were along the lines of how much worse that scam was than anything in adult, or see, we are not the only people pulling tricks like that. Not one person pointed out that if such scams upset us, perhaps they upset our customers too...

I think the idea would be a slight pullback and everything out there or maybe a crackdown of the free hosting and forums where you can get ANYTHING.

giftedtwisted 06-20-2006 01:12 PM
people still buys cd's would would free porn stop the porn industry?

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
I think there are alot of people who have porn collections - they fall in love with a particular model, a certain fetish, etc. The people who watch the 30 second clip and jerk off arent our customers - they never were and never will be. It's slightly circular logic, and its obvious - but it's the people who are willing to pay who are our customers.

Tens of thousands of people pay for porn every single day - and im going to go out on a limb and say that because of the increasing familiarity of conducting transactions with credit cards online and with the increasing quality of content offered for a price - that the gross number of adult-related credit card transactions in increasing every single day.

So, in actual fact, the 'pie' (gross adult revenues on the internet) is on a steep upswing and will continue in the future.
Were just behind music. How many people just stole music off the internet? And yes it still happens quite a bit, but Apple and other companies are making kiling off selling songs for 99 cents. See despite the fact it's very easy to get song for free on the internet people are still willling to pay for a product because they see the value of it. Of course suing music stealers helped in that cause.

Also it seems that some mainstream media is taking a cue from us.

"Disney says ABC free web TV a hit with consumers"

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsAr...-DISNEY-DC.XML

And of course march Madness was streamed for free on the internet his year too.

vvq 06-20-2006 01:16 PM
adapt.
the strong will survive.

frank7799 06-20-2006 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Phoenix
yes complete the circle

something i have been recommending to everyone i have consulted over the years...very very few agree and see the light though

i guess from their perspective if it aint broke dont fix it....hope it doesnt break
Speaking of a circle, I think itīs not only a sponsor problem. Try to get a gallery listed with teasing content only. Unless itīs a paid spot (not a submit pass), you wonīt have much luck with it. More and more content is required, some MGP sites require 6 movis per gallery.

So if the webmaster wants to get listed, he has to use too much and way too explicit content - content where the surfer jerks off to.

This webmaster asks the sponsor for more and more content. It really looks like a circle.

madawgz 06-20-2006 01:17 PM
what the fuck, that sites going to be huge!

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
Also remember once AEBN have succeeded in cutting out the affiliate (biggest cost today) + content costs, then they can take a much higher bandwidth bill per lead
AEBN only pays the affiliate 20%. So it's not like they are paying $35 for a $5 trial and hope to get the surfer tonot cancell.

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve
The existence of so much free content is self-evident proof that there is an economy to support it.
Have you ever surfed TGPs? They sell everything EXCEPT porn :2 cents:

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by madawgz
what the fuck, that sites going to be huge!
larger than Yahoo?

http://video.yahoo.com/video/search?...vies&x=51&y=15

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
AEBN only pays the affiliate 20%. So it's not like they are paying $35 for a $5 trial and hope to get the surfer tonot cancell.
0% is still less than 20% :2 cents:

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by vvq
adapt.
the strong will survive.
We are doing this right now - in this thread... AEBN/GUBA etc. does not hold a patent on the future! :)

sweetcuties 06-20-2006 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by m4yadult
Speaking of a circle, I think itīs not only a sponsor problem. Try to get a gallery listed with teasing content only. Unless itīs a paid spot (not a submit pass), you wonīt have much luck with it. More and more content is required, some MGP sites require 6 movis per gallery.

So if the webmaster wants to get listed, he has to use too much and way too explicit content - content where the surfer jerks off to.

This webmaster asks the sponsor for more and more content. It really looks like a circle.
Then don't submit to that mpg or tgp, I refuse to give away hardcore for free. Shooting exclusive and running sites cost $$ that I'm not gonna give away.

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
0% is still less than 20% :2 cents:
So why is AEBN different that any other sponsor? You could say that about ALL affiliate programs. Paying out $0 is better than paying out $35. I would bet that for every sale I'm getting paid by other sponsors AEBN is making much more per $35 they pay. Not sure why you singled them out.

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
So why is AEBN different that any other sponsor? You could say that about ALL affiliate programs. Paying out $0 is better than paying out $35. I would bet that for every sale I'm getting paid by other sponsors AEBN is making much more per $35 they pay. Not sure why you singled them out.
Because AEBN owns and controls porntube? :helpme

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:37 PM
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GatorB 06-20-2006 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
Because AEBN owns and controls porntube? :helpme
Like I knew that. ASSHOLE. maybe you need :helpme.

Anthony 06-20-2006 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Like I knew that. ASSHOLE. maybe you need :helpme.
Looks like you do.

Your argument made no sense, and now you act all uppity because you got corrected.

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:40 PM
Anyways if it works like Youtube and as soon as some teenagers upload pornof themselves that will be the end of PornTube. Kind of weird they only bothered to register the name for 1 year.

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Like I knew that. ASSHOLE. maybe you need :helpme.
Was not trying to be a smartass - I just thought you knew... sorry if it came out wrong way to you.... please forgive me :)

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthony
Looks like you do.

Your argument made no sense, and now you act all uppity because you got corrected.
corrected about what? what was I aguring about? Nothing. Someone need reading lessons.

Anthony 06-20-2006 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
corrected about what? what was I aguring about? Nothing. Someone need reading lessons.
Another one to school...

Please bring up any other suggestion of any other sponsor that has a site like pornotube.com

Once you do, we can discuss their merits.

Since there is only one, pornotube.com, we are discussing AEBN.

Please try to keep up.

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
Was not trying to be a smartass - I just thought you knew... sorry if it came out wrong way to you.... please forgive me :)
No problem. No I didn't know. Someone was talking about AEBN, I asked why. If people want to be nasty I can't help that, but thanks for the apology.

Anthony 06-20-2006 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
No problem. No I didn't know. Someone was talking about AEBN, I asked why. If people want to be nasty I can't help that, but thanks for the apology.
Fuck, sometimes the internet isn't the best way to communicate.

I took it the wrong way too.

My bad.

:)

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:45 PM
nevermind

Rolo 06-20-2006 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Anyways if it works like Youtube and as soon as some teenagers upload pornof themselves that will be the end of PornTube.
As you have seen with any other recent battle in this industry, then we are not an impressive group... AEBN has operated in this industry for years - they know where to hit :2 cents:

Hollywood376 06-20-2006 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazonby

7. No-one is prepared to make the first move because (horror of horrors) they may (or may not) have to take a temporary dip in revenue before the situation improves.
It would take a tremendous effort on all to accomplish this. The problem is, many people are too short sighted and think that by lowering their price or being the cheapest that they will get "all the traffic" which is untrue. All it does is force everyone else to lower theirs.

If we could convince every person that's hosting an image right now to go out and censor "the goodies" then you would see an increase in revenues. Of course, we are talking about millions of galleries, but if everyone started today...

And another thing, why haven't some of the "big programs" who have deeper pockets (we assume) gone to the lawyers who represent the RIAA and attacked GUBA and other sites that are letting people post copyrighted material. Hell, if the music industry can go after individuals for downloading free music, I'm sure the same applies to free porn. I can't even remember the number of settlements I've heard of by individuals to the RIAA. I think they go after about $3500 per individual, which is likely more than any surfer would ever pay in a lifetime of subscriptions.

GatorB 06-20-2006 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo
As you have seen with any other recent battle in this industry, then we are not an impressive group... AEBN has operated in this industry for years - they know where to hit :2 cents:
If they thought this was such a goid idea why only resister the name for 1 year. They couldn't afford the other 9 years?

Seems like they are uploading content from other sponsors. I also see a potential trademark suit from YouTube.

Rolo 06-20-2006 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorB
Kind of weird they only bothered to register the name for 1 year.
Heh - I just noticed that too... They have been working on this for close to ― year, and they got the bandwidth and servers to handle an enormous amount of FREE content - plus they got their current business funding them, so they will not need outside capital.

Anthony 06-20-2006 02:15 PM
I also want to state, that AEBN is one of the pioneers in this business.

Ladies and gentlemen, please note that we are in business competing with each other.

AEBN is doing what any business model should do. Control the largest amount of business in it's industry.

FlexxAeon 06-20-2006 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthony
...AEBN is doing what any business model should do. Control the largest amount of business in it's industry.
aye but it was stated earlier in this thread that people who don't pay for porn aren't our customers :winkwink:

sacX 06-20-2006 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RogerV
I've been saying this for years now.. And everyone just laughs and blows it off. we need some rules not just to clean it up but so we can all make more!

I have always said even drug dealers dont give it all away all the time..they give you enough to hook you then you pay..
regulations and anti-competitive behaviour very rarely work and it certainly won't work in porn.

Rolo 06-20-2006 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Anthony
I also want to state, that AEBN is one of the pioneers in this business.

Ladies and gentlemen, please note that we are in business competing with each other.

AEBN is doing what any business model should do. Control the largest amount of business in it's industry.
True - this is not a charity, but a business... porntube is something AEBN feels greatly about, and they will use this to increase their marketshare. Just as if they bought GUBA (which actual looks tame compared to AEBNīs porntube).

Ex. ICM Registry also wanted the industry to change, and like the .xxx tld, then the money behind porntube is also plenty and very serious about getting what they want.

Rui 06-20-2006 09:54 PM
bump (...for one of the best GFY threads in 2006)

BoogieCFZ 06-20-2006 10:06 PM
Just wanted to chime in and say...

WATER comes out of every tap in america. In most american cities it is superbly clean, comes with free flouride, and is cheap as fucking dirt.

However, I'll bet dimes to dollars, that most of you good folks have bottled water in your home.

Even tho you can get it for free, or close to it. why?

Its the bottle. its the marketing. Its the packaging. Its everything that has to do with everything you're holding but the water.

That's the key for porn. If they can sell fucking water, we can sell porn, even in a see of free samples.

Its a matter of marketing, and there are some people out there who can market quite well, create big brand names for themselves that people recognize, trust, and want to purchase their premium, highquality water/porn from.

Nicky 06-20-2006 10:22 PM
this was a good read

wargames 06-20-2006 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicky
this was a good read
I will second that
great thread Anthony :thumbsup

gandalfuy 06-20-2006 10:31 PM
that doesn's look good... not at all

ProjectNaked 06-20-2006 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BoogieCFZ
Just wanted to chime in and say...

WATER comes out of every tap in america. In most american cities it is superbly clean, comes with free flouride, and is cheap as fucking dirt.

However, I'll bet dimes to dollars, that most of you good folks have bottled water in your home.

Even tho you can get it for free, or close to it. why?

Its the bottle. its the marketing. Its the packaging. Its everything that has to do with everything you're holding but the water.

That's the key for porn. If they can sell fucking water, we can sell porn, even in a see of free samples.

Its a matter of marketing, and there are some people out there who can market quite well, create big brand names for themselves that people recognize, trust, and want to purchase their premium, highquality water/porn from.
nice comparison:thumbsup


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