150......,....

Problem is that this thread has sort of grown to cover several points and the above's true too. I wanted to clarify that although bitching about the amount of free porn is pointless IMHO, it's also a different thing from sitting back and letting the likes of GUBA et al get away with the crap they do.

Free porn on the 1000's TGP's etc certainly does effect sales but bitching about it is pointless. You just gotta work with it as smartly as possible. However, sending traffic to the GUBA's of this world or supporting them in anyway is insane and a totally different ball park.

b/c there are rate limits, now. ;)

Maximum File Sizes

* Video: 100 MB
* Audio: 10 MB
* Image: 600 KB

They would have to be 10 times less for controlling pirated content, and AEBN knows that. But hey, now they can say "look we are trying to do something about all that pirated content" :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

as with any business , just need to become smarted at advertising and marketing your product

LOL you can say way too much on GFY and people still wont listen. Hell you can tell them exactly how you make money and they will still tell you that you are wrong. Don't worry the only people that took notice of what you are saying are the ones making money right now, not the ones bitching about free porn.

well ..
i think that most of us do listen to that words ...

anyway , free porn will be here forever ...
if that will be in bad quality , framerate , and just pieces and parts , that´s ok for us ...

i think that it is a marketing problem ....
there are more and more surfers that can pay by CC , or dial access to any paysite , and yes , more and more surfers from coutries , that will never pay by CC or dial access , and that is why the free porn sites are here ...

just to add to the thread...

i noticed i was getting hits for the term 'covermyface' from braincashs new site so i check out google to see where i am. the first few links are, as in a lot of cases the paysite themselves. BUT six listing down is a torrent of the entire website rip. anyone who knows how to download a torrent just lost any reason to join the site.

i love torrents for downloading the latest family guy episodes or whatever but surfers don't even need tgps for their free porn fix. there is so much porn added to torrent sites daily that no one would be able to download it all.

One thing that has seriously changed in the last year or so, is that sponsors are catering more to tgp and mgp owners. Sponsors are even running their own tgps and mgps.

What will happen if they encourage people to upload hardcore and then underage people start uploading hardcore?

Yahoo has an exception because their intent is not to allow hardcore porn and they remove hardcore porn when they are notified about it. Is the intent of porn tube to allow the posting and hosting of hardcore porn without 2257 documents?

Are there any lawyers here that have an opinion on the legality of the site?

if only there was less free content

Do you think AEBN cares about the legality?

They are banking on not being sued.

And chances are , they won't be.

The affiliate model is dead. In a few years it will be a fraction of what it is now. TGP traffic is almost worthless. If you are not getting your own traffic ....IE type in traffic.. you are sucking mud. The content will be free so that some with the distribution can sell a tangible good to the surfer. The only way you are going to make money is to build your own site and make it pay per view or pay per download. But before all this happens big time.. the affiliate programs will start to rip people off more than every as they try survive amid ever shrinking revenue. It will be a blood bath but those that survive are going to make a killing with very little competition left.

maybe someeone with some extra time..can start logging all the content on there?

get a list of sponsor owned content that is being held there...im sure they will need to remove it

I really hate posting "me too" reponses, but this exact thing is what I'm facing right now. Having a teen/babeblog, I don't want to have TOO MUCH free content on my site, because the surfer will just spank it and leave. I want them to check out the members area links and such. However, when I want to submit galleries somewhere, I'm required to have full nude shots, or explicit shots. I don't have time to build seperate galleries for posts and for submissions, and even if I did I wouldn't have the proper content to do so.

This leaves me stuck. Either I give away too much, or nothing at all because I can't get listed anywhere with teasers.

Adult makes a lot more than it used to. Its just spread over more people.

Then music companies could say they won't produce music anymore, since people get it for free from internet anyway. Well, some do, some pay for it. Same about movies, etc...

There is tons of money to be made in adult as in every other industry and there are people who make it. Those who don't, stop whining and just quit.

This was forwarded to me from another board regarding this issue...

Bianca's Smut Shack comes to mind when I think of this.

damm, interesting

porn aint losing numbers in the revenue department. just certain folks.

the pie is NOT shrinking. just merely more hands looking for a slice.

you folks should focus more on making money and less on whining about stupid shit.

people will ALWAYS buy porn.

You consider this thread stupid shit?

Do you work for AEBN?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I think there can be "too much" free porn. But I don't think it's as dire as stated in the beginning of this post. I do also agree that there are more players in the game now, spreading out the profits more thinly...
Also, technology advances and so does the industry. The things that worked to make tons of profit in 1998 do not work anymore.

The music industry cried that downloadable music and file sharing would bankrupt them... people still buy CDs. It cost about 10 cents to make a Compact Disk and at one point it could cost you $20 to get a disk for 1 song. These sales stopped with music downloads - and prices ended up adjusted. (Notice they never complained about used CD sales?)

Broadband internet made it available to download movies and the movie industry got cried they were scared. Instead of what the movie industry did, it cost more to see a movie now then ever before and now people don't see movies as much as they used to do. I know, when I spent $10 to see Team America, I wanted to physically damage another human being.

The newspapers also bitch about the internet hurting their sales - so they do things like defraud customers into subscriptions. I got scammed into a newspaper subscription and I'm still not sure how - and the D.A. says he has real crimes to persecute so my $20 isn't a priority. My neighbors got the SF Chronicle daily and don't even speak or read English.

Free content of adult material is really the same. Many of the consequences can be the same too. It will definitely thin out the heard - as has been happening. It's no longer easy to get a cheap site, a template program and throw up a TGP and buy a new mercedes next week. Also, you have to have constant updates and reasonable prices. It's also spawned some of the most unique niche sites and niches themselves.

It is a difficult dillema: People don't even pay attention to that same set of content they've already seen 6 thousand times - but "why would someone buy the cow if they get the milk for free?"

My only real concern is the avenue the top tier business owners take to stay alive. If they raise prices and reduce payouts, it will likely harm the industry farther. If they lean more towards spam, slamming and unscruppulous tactics, it will just cause more regulations to harm all of us.

Personally, I think it's best to just stay the course... but also realize that, although they will be replaced, these people giving away a ton of shit won't be around forever.

If you have a good website, reliable traffic and good content/concepts - just don't let other people give your stuff away for free and you will likely survive.

If you want to be the next multi-billionare, take your profits and buy developing real estate or start up an outsourcing company in the filapines.

Could you please wait as I upload all the videos from euro revenue to AEBN´s Guba 2.0, and then we can talk again?

Thanks :winkwink:

Excellent post Chuck.

This was the intent of this thread, to get divergent views on our current situation.

I'd like to think there are new revenue streams not yet tapped, but the current per signup model we currently employ in this industry is becoming obsolete.

Surfers know that they can get any porn they want and some are just too cheap to pay for it when a Free Hosted Movie Gallery has all the really good shit in it already.

More and more, the pay as you go model is becoming the standard that this industy will be collecting revenues from.

I know of a site thats been around since 2001 and they have almost every video and photo set there is and it is 100% free all you need is an e-mail, it is legal to because you guys sell them your content, they make their money by pushing Ifriends, AFF and a few other things.

Since AEBN is probably reading this thread, then I will suggest they use the domain MyFreeAEBN.com - why pay for the videos at AEBN, when you can get them for FREE :1orglaugh

leave it to will to spin the thread into a promo for webcams :winkwink: that guy is good.

LOL............

As do I. Curious as to what their bandwidth bill is like.

Simple logic really. Attract them with free porn, sell them something else. (interactive porn, exclusive content etc)

Like it wasn't obvious. :)

They only have content providers who bill them per GB or flate fee... and the price they pay per GB is cheaper than what most adult webmasters pay for their hosting WITHOUT content :1orglaugh

If you are a paysite owner buying feeds, then you will probably be disappointed to know that some free site is only paying a fraction of the price per GB you do, but since they bring volume, then the content providers have no problem with them... its kinda ironic, because if the free site had to pay the same as the paysite owner, then he would have to close tomorrow.

you are a bit dense aren't you?:helpme

At least people have started to see what a downward spiral the "free porn for traffic" model is. Two years ago people just laughed at you if you said it would screw everything up.

Cant do anything about it? Bullshit! When you tell yourself nothing can be done, nothing gets done. The minute you start telling yourselves something can be done, it will happen.

One example (of 1000's)... Sponsors could (and should) pay more to affilliates who dont use free stuff. If you really think its a problem, start rewarding affiliates that dont use free crap to get traffic.

lol, this is the funniest shit I've read! For those that have sites and shoot exclusive, we should be highly concerned.

Britney's got a hot site and I could easily j/o to her hosted galleries... you include the cumshot and feature 22 sec's each per movies/4 movies. If I were a surfer, why the fuck would I buy a membership.

This affects us all. It's a very important thread :2 cents:

I am fairly new to the webmaster business. My expertise comes from being a
porn surfer since the Internet stone age. I probably have a better porn collection on my HD than most pay sites can offer. The vast majority of that porn comes from paid memberships to sites I joined. The main reason I pulled out my CC was:

1) I was shown enough samples to get a read on the quality of the content, and yes that does require some hardcore content.

2)Usually when my interest moved in a new direction. I would start with surfing bbs,tgps,and mgps, to see what type of content was available in that niche.

3)I always started my collection with the free porn. One thing the industry does do right to get my $$ is make it tedious to collect the free stuff. After a while of wading through piles of shit looking for the free stuff and running around in circles, I would get bored and, focus on the sites I had run across that seem to have the best quality and quantity.
One other thing I might note if I hit a popup, popunder, or esp if someone went around my blocker it was fuck you, bye, forever. I hear about the sales people make with this shit but what about the permanent loss of sales from the pissed off surfer?

4)Then the CC would come out.

The point I am making is that people who are willing to pay for porn are paying for quality, quantity, and convenience.
As others have stated this does not necessarily apply to micro niches.

One thing I have noticed on this board is the willingness to out a scammer or cheater and the immediate condemnation by the members.

It seems to me that we as an industry are not powerless to control the webmasters who make it too easy for the surfer to get ENOUGH of the good stuff that they don't need to pay for it.

If you, as a webmaster, think that someone was giving away too much, pull their link, refuse to take their ads, get drama started on all the boards,etc.
Even someone as big as AEBN might have 2nd thoughts.

There is a massive number of good quality sites, run by honest webmasters.
We don't have to support anyone who we feel is doing real damage to the industry.

I observed the response on this board to the Met-Art cp drama and the Big Dildo rape drama.

IMHO there is no need for whining and hand wringing when there are steps that each one of us can take individually to make a difference.

Maybe I am too much of a NOOB to understand that when a program gets big enough they can make their own rules and the rest of us can get fucked.

Maybe,all webmasters are anarchists at heart and so are doomed to fail separately.

My:2 cents: . If anyone wants to educate this noob I alway willing to learn.

Excellent suggestion! :thumbsup

Now how do we get all the sponsors to agree on not paying ex. hosted galleries their standard payout?

What sucks is that if you don't give away some type of hardcore content you won't get listed and they also have to be a certain length.
What really has made the free porn market worse is that sponsors are afraid of taking mail traffic anymore so now they cater to all the tgp and mgp webmasters.

Or the newbies looking for a way to work hard, and get hints on how to break into this industry.

I believe that adaptation is the key to survival. It is not just a belief I have, it has been prooven throughout history.

Those that discover how to adapt best will survive, and many will thrive. The rest will fall off.

Its not only interesting to think that AEBN is looking at using studios and sponsors content (with or without their accept) to grow, but they are also seeking to take the traffic from the TGPs/MGPs by offering even more content, and making it even more easy for the surfers to get all the free content they can desire!

Its ironic to think that many TGPs/MGPs owners today are using AEBN to make their own label pay per view sections/sites, and at the same time AEBN is using the money from that business to make the thing, which will potential kill TGPs/MGPs - including the gallery submitters.

Just a thought :2 cents:

rapidshare had been around a while, and no one seems to care.

same thing new name. those 100mb video files will kill their site soon as they get a good amount of traffic, slow ass downloads then pooofff.

This is AEBN - they are well funded, and have income to keep the servers running, while they build their free content database.. also once the cat is out of the bag, and people see that no one is going after AEBN, then watch as 100s of these will pop up overnight. When that happens, then it will be a pure bottomline business, where 5% profit will justify their existence.

Damn! Pull Bianca outta the oldschool hat! :)

With any markets things change, the trick is to stay focused on what works.

Doing things that won't make money are what kills webmasters, it's the wasted time on wrong paths if you ask me.

I see guys with no experiance roll to 10k a month in 6 months witha regular members site. Anyone can do it, it's just not getting off track that makes the differance.

well what are you supposed to do when you got people selling traffic?
this is the downfall of the industry... a few people got greedy, now there are no more free spots, then a program says, fuck it, lets make our own network of traffic. And they build one. however, all it really does is make everyones traffic worse, including the spots you pay wayyyy to much for.

duke

I just want to thank everyone, from Shiloh, brand new in the biz, to Tat, been in since 97, to Duke, an up and comer program owner for taking part of this thread.

The adult internet is the snake eating itself.

There is a reason AEBN bought Remotethumbs.com, and other properties.

Back 98, Nickatilynx told me that it was still the wild wild west. A single webmaster could control large amounts of traffic and be a force. Once the Adult web became a corporate landscape, the mom and pop sites would disappear.

I believe we have come to that crossroad.

cause its freeeeee

the link isnt working for me...what is pornotube???

Dont to complain too much. Try going and making money in mainstream.. Bankrupt in a week. Porn still makes a nice living.

Some will buy porn and some will not... it's as simple
as that. Different triggers for different people. Are you with me?

You can offer a free membership without creditcard and still
you will see people turn your membership down. Why is that??

You can offer surfers a site like Pornotube.com and you will see
that only a small 20% bookmark the site. Why is that??

It's not all about free porn, it's about "the package".

:2 cents: