Thanks everyone for saying this is a great thread! :)

I figure once in awhile I can be in a thread without pissing and threats of violence.

Great post Boogie!

If I can argue one thing it's this.

Water is a need, Porn is a want.

That is something to chew on.

Anyone know where I can get a youtube clone script :) I sense a flood of these sites lol

Oh dont worry bud, someone will come in here and start pissing, I promise :upsidedow

porntube is illegal - the problem in this industry is nobody sues anybody - no legal chill at all - oooooooo the dreaded C & D email has arrived - their knees shake - not. GUBA can attempt to hide behind the veil of being a quasi ISP providing USENET access via the WWW - there is NO defence for what PornoTube is - so if your content ends up on PornTube you either protect and enforce your copyrights or get raped. And when somebody gets raped in this industry few care - especially if the rapist is a top notch guy at tradeshows!

The studios who provide content to AEBN were too stupid to make money with their content on their own - same with the dumbasses who license their DVDs for chump change through brokers like WWC - they happily take the peanuts and think of it as gravy.

No comment from AEBN yet I notice.

i already see some webmaster named harleygirl has uploaded videos from licensed DVDs to promote a paysite on PornTube. In no content licensing agreement is that allowed - but brokers do nothing to protect the rights of the producers.

Youtube is spending $2M / month on bandwidth, and isn't trying to make money via advertising. They're hoping to get bought out or license out content a la VH1 Web 2.0.

:2 cents: I don't think an adult site could make enough from advertising to support the bandwidth of this model.

evolution not revolution

is this the RIAA????


at the end of the day content is the key if you got what people want and your product is better

you get the customer

biz 101:pimp

you have any idea what those guys burn every month? like a $1,000,000 / mo.

on the internet you can get for free:

music
movies
legal forms and advice
background checks
daily news
streaming concerts
PORN

just about anything

and people will still pay for theese things if the purchased product is better then the free stuff:2 cents:

now if someone is giving your content away for free then step up to the plate and make an example SUE THE SHIT OUT OF THEM

may cost you but the end result is priceless

Free Porn Hurts Sales.... ???

Here is some inside information from someone who does well in this industry.... Offer a product that people can't get for free. Find me a mega site of girls getting nude and giving shows live on webcam. you wont. You'll be lucky to come across an ugly chick giving a free show on the net. There is nothing better then LIVE porn. Nothing better then interaction and telling the girl what to do and having her do it JUST for you.

BTW, if your site sucks and it is just full of run of the mill pictures and videos then free porn will hurt your rebills. but more then free porn hurting you, you hurting yourself. Your site or site you advertise for, needs to be interactive. Has to have live cam, or some type of interraction with the members other then just videos and pictures.

I LOVE free porn. Find me a place giving pictures and movies away for free and I will advertise webcams there and make bank. Sure, some people will get off to pictures and videos, most of these people are the ones that wouldnt have signed up in the first place. But for the majority of them, i'll let your movies and pictures get them all turned on, and when they decide jerking off to the same old shit isnt cutting it for them anymore, they will come to me and watch it live.

Free porn sucks.

You don't need a little sample of tooth paste to feel the need to brush your teeth.

Throwing porn out there and letting people get a little taste can take a person who wasn't looking for it, to someone who needs more now. Problem is a little taste is different for everyone.

Here's the deal. If there were no free porn out there cheap bastards would be jerking off to victoria secret and playboy mags. All free online porn is doing (99% of the time) is suppling the cheap bastard with a premium jo opposed to a lame one.

I agree with 100% of what Jayeff has said in this thread. the rest of you are missing the boat.

stop thinking the way you are and learn something from this thread...

Signups were easier way back because there were a higher percentage of people online to people selling it. Now you have everyone and their grandmaw trying to make money online. it's saturaited so the people who are not that bright find it harder and harder to make money because they are competing with people who actually know how to make money.

Honestly think about it, any idiot with a webpage back in 96/97 etc,, could make money. Now you actually have to have a little ability.

BTW, there has been free porn since there has been people getting online. People traded porn online since the ability to send it was created. free porn is not a new thing.

Nothing stays the same, except for the ability to make money. You need to learn how to stay one step ahead and make money off of every situation. Or people could bitch about something and give up... your choice.

Good argument.

However, today's industry, and today's webmaster ask for everything.

I came in in 98. You had to work to get your traffic and your signups. Back then, when I ran Netpond's Newbie board, I suggested this following. Tease them and sell them to a full membership. Do not give out free milk, sell the cow.

You cannot sell the sizzle anymore, everyone is giving away the steak.

The internet was built on free porn, back in 94 and up, paysites made surfers change their habits and pay for it.

The track now is sliding back to giving it all away, again.

So let me get this straight Will, you are saying we should embrace this free porn movement and make it easier to get high quality, more than 20 minutes of premium video at a clip, free porn?

That will spur sales and keep the industry healthy?

Free porn is good?

Is this what you are saying? That if we can stop this we shouldn't?

I think what will76 was trying to say is - since there is so much FREE porn at TGPs, then they make money on every other product except porn. Will76 is promoting live sites, so he does not fear when AEBN sets out to create a GUBA web 2.0. He will probably end up buying ad spots on it. While the studios will give FREE content to AEBN, which they then uses to create FREE services such as their porntube running ads to live sites etc.

Studio owners, paysite owners, and affiliates of today will have lost their main product - porn - to free services such as AEBN´s porntube.

AEBN is not in this business to make it better for anyone but themself.

:warning :warning :warning :warning :warning :warning

That is flawed...I drink bottled water when the tap water sucks... (You can use your analogy here)

Plus I don't necessarily go buy bottled water if I know about a good fountain near me (once again you can adapt your analogy to this reasoning)

bump..nice issue to ponder on

Exactly.

And of course if the tap water were undrinkable how much bottled water would then be sold? That would be a much closer analogy. Nobody argued that you can't sell porn. Of course you can. The argument is that the plethora of free porn makes it a LOT harder to sell than it used to be which is nothing but the truth. Were there no drinkable tap water, bottled water sales would go through the roof.

5+ years ago when it was hard for the average surfer to find a good amount of free porn without hitting popup hell sales were much, much easier. If somebody says different they either need medical help for their early stage senality or they're yet another newbie idiot.

traffic also converted much better before these pricks came along and started making sites full of sample clips. back then you could get rich with a banner farm. adapt or be left in the dust. it's gonna take more work and more money to be sucessful. the strong will survive.

Please let us know how Traffic Gigolos will react/survive when AEBN and others start to give away Traffic Gigolos´s content FREE to their OWN surfers?

I´m all for quoting Darwin, but its not "the strongst" who will survive, but "the most adaptable":

Right now AEBN is betting that the strong and smart will be left behind by evolution, because history have shown that its outsiders who saves the industry - not the insiders :2 cents:

If you can't beat them, join them. I (OF COURSE) watermark EVERY single video I ever shoot (and photos for that matter). Not a single second of video gets off my desktop and onto the web without my watermark. Since I personally shoot all my own video that's even more important to me.

This isn't the first adult youtube type site to come around, and I've been posting 30 second to 4 minute video samples to them for months. I have seen a rise in sales off type-ins. It all comes down to content. If you have content that is exclusive, and is a niche then you can make it work for you. God, I'm gonna shutup... I've already said way too much.

Do I still wish it was 1997? Hell yeah, but since it isn't.... I'm trying to go with the flow, and make some money off it in the process. On that note... thanks for the pornotube link. One more site to work some sales out of.

That's exactly it. Of course free porn affects sales and in a big way. However, people have been bitching about it for years and it's certainly not going away any time soon. Complaining won't make any difference, instead you simply have to work with it and where possible work smarter. Those that do work smarter survive it's a simple as that.

I made that concession posts ago.

If your content is niched, ie. you, the chances of anyone finding anything like it is next to nil.

Pornotube.com reminds of working the newsgroups back in the day.

ahhh... sorry... skipped the 2nd page of posts. :Oh crap

I do not see anyone arguing that we should do time travel back to 1997 - its used to show much things have changed.

If we continue to hand over content and traffic to the AEBN´s and GUBA´s of the world, who uses it undermine the industry, then we are not only headed for a quick extermination, but we are also going down in history as ignorant business men and women.

Ex. what would AEBN do, if they had to add content cost to their business model? How about if they had to police their own sites? Right now they avoiding these areas, because they know where to hit us. AEBN is big business with an intelligent management - they have planned this ahead, from infrastructure to dealing with legal issues... picture them in a few months posting things like "we do not know why our users keep uploading your content, but we will take it down, thanks for letting us know" - while they laugh all the way to the bank.

The things we control today are what AEBN wants to take tomorrow. :2 cents:

150......,....

Problem is that this thread has sort of grown to cover several points and the above's true too. I wanted to clarify that although bitching about the amount of free porn is pointless IMHO, it's also a different thing from sitting back and letting the likes of GUBA et al get away with the crap they do.

Free porn on the 1000's TGP's etc certainly does effect sales but bitching about it is pointless. You just gotta work with it as smartly as possible. However, sending traffic to the GUBA's of this world or supporting them in anyway is insane and a totally different ball park.

b/c there are rate limits, now. ;)

Maximum File Sizes

* Video: 100 MB
* Audio: 10 MB
* Image: 600 KB

They would have to be 10 times less for controlling pirated content, and AEBN knows that. But hey, now they can say "look we are trying to do something about all that pirated content" :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

as with any business , just need to become smarted at advertising and marketing your product

LOL you can say way too much on GFY and people still wont listen. Hell you can tell them exactly how you make money and they will still tell you that you are wrong. Don't worry the only people that took notice of what you are saying are the ones making money right now, not the ones bitching about free porn.

well ..
i think that most of us do listen to that words ...

anyway , free porn will be here forever ...
if that will be in bad quality , framerate , and just pieces and parts , that´s ok for us ...

i think that it is a marketing problem ....
there are more and more surfers that can pay by CC , or dial access to any paysite , and yes , more and more surfers from coutries , that will never pay by CC or dial access , and that is why the free porn sites are here ...

just to add to the thread...

i noticed i was getting hits for the term 'covermyface' from braincashs new site so i check out google to see where i am. the first few links are, as in a lot of cases the paysite themselves. BUT six listing down is a torrent of the entire website rip. anyone who knows how to download a torrent just lost any reason to join the site.

i love torrents for downloading the latest family guy episodes or whatever but surfers don't even need tgps for their free porn fix. there is so much porn added to torrent sites daily that no one would be able to download it all.

One thing that has seriously changed in the last year or so, is that sponsors are catering more to tgp and mgp owners. Sponsors are even running their own tgps and mgps.

What will happen if they encourage people to upload hardcore and then underage people start uploading hardcore?

Yahoo has an exception because their intent is not to allow hardcore porn and they remove hardcore porn when they are notified about it. Is the intent of porn tube to allow the posting and hosting of hardcore porn without 2257 documents?

Are there any lawyers here that have an opinion on the legality of the site?