you are an idiot shit starter, is that all you are good at anymore? cause that is what it seems like....

look at what my wife and I do in this biz, then look at what site bishop helps run...put 2 and 2 together, and you have a nice big FUCK YOU from Jace

i am really leaving this time

later

There will be more of it on pornotube. We cant stop yahoo but we can stop pornotube

Knowing you are using their content and giving you permission( with the proper 2257 docs ) are 2 different things.

Yeah but if I put their vidoes on my site you are going to be damned sure it's link to my sponsor via sponsor code somehow. Surfers are more inclined to click a link than type in a name if given a choice.

There is a also a saying

'If other people mess with your business, then mess with theirs'

They are messing with others by allowing people to distribute clips which arent free to distribute

Take a moment here to collect yourself, blowing off your top only brings you to Joesho levels.

I know you are in his VOD, but you forgot to answer if you run forumns for them, which is yes.

I made the comment that you do a lot of business with them, running forumns, and VOD, and that it may raise eyebrows about your defending them.

Now, how does your experience count for a regular joe webmaster who doesn't produce their own content? Sponsor content cannot be used as you MUST have 2257 in writing to use it.

Well duh you can use your own shit. I didn't ask about that.

Jace,

I had higher hopes for you. You went on the defensive quickly once I mentioned that maybe some people might take your accolades of pornotube.com with a grain of a salt.

You cannot dispute that you do work with AEBN, and I'm not shit stirring, I was pointing out the obvious.

That's the point of what I'm trying to get across to him.

He has his own content, it's a different sceanario.

Using other sponsor's content is a black zone.

His experience and Joe Webmaster's are going to be 2 distinct different things.

Lets leave all this fighting...who is submitting random videos to pornotube? I did about 100 random clips earlier and put popular porn tags on them. I will add more later for sure. my share to try and stop them

Why would Jace lie about running all those forums for them , it would mean he was getting paid.

wee the evil twin you youtube!

Im with Jace on this one...while Im no real fan of free porn I dont see how this is any different than a TGP or an MGP really...just another tool I can use to get some traffic at the expense of my content going into the public domain...but at leasdt I dont have to pay anyone to put it there and I dont have to pay the bandwidth....

Of course you are, you produce your own content.

Now, for the rest of the webmasters who don't... and who are the majority.

Different story.

every webmaster can produce their own content...
if Jace can do it,
anybody can do it!!!!
Here is his latest:

http://pornotube.com/media.php?m=2046

I am producing my own content as we spea---a-a-a-a-a-a-k.....
(Gosh, that was good!)
and I'll be submitting it 3 times a day....

double...............

AEBN eliminates the middle men - the webmasters.

I see no problems with that.

I see a system that will do nothing except encourage minors to publish crap filmed with video cell phones. Publishing porn without 2257 documents in hand is a pretty risky legal move.

I have to shake my head at this one. Putting YOUR content on pornotube or youtube or yahoo, or wherever DOES NOT place that content into the public domain.

The planets must be in alignment...

Alex and I agreeing on a subject.

I can die a happy man.

Pornotube isn't that different from TGP/MGPs...if you check the site, most of the videos right now are the smaller teaser videos sponsors are giving affiliates already.

It certainly doesn't help to have another avenue for free porn, but it's not like you can say shutdown this and not call for every other source of free porn on the net to be shutdown as well. A wait and see attitude is what should apply for the moment...as long as Pornotube has some regulations to stop what gets uploaded, etc. it's no different than an MGP.

It probably will change the role of affiliates...sponsors could dump their teaser clips on pornotube and the affiliate gets removed from the equation completely.

Headed that way as fast as I can

Good post Blue.

The original thread about pornotube last week, there were 100mb files in there. They now seem to have disappeared, as they read the thread.

Teaser clips are not 100mb, more like 500kb to 1mb. You may not be aware that they allow up to 100mb to be uploaded, which might change your views a little.

Yeah I just go out and buy a video camera and the local girls will jump all over me to shoot them fucking. Besides with all the 2257 laws and other crap it's simply not worth it to prodcuce my own content. I'm sure they guys over at COHF had the proper 2257 stuff and they still got busted.

do it the easy way!

http://pornotube.com/media.php?m=2046

be your own model!

100mb is just a little bit of insanity, however, if the person does hold the copyright / 2257 info, and they basically want to ruin their site / program by giving a 100mb clip that still falls into the category of their own folly.

I'm looking at it this way, Pornotube can more or less usurp MGPs if it's done right and they're adopting the popular youtube format. As long as they make sure certain rules, etc, are followed and this doesn't become a haven for copyright infringement or illegal videos, it can be a good thing for certain industry players (the general affiliate could get screwed out of this system though).

Right now I think the jury is still out on it...they're beta testing, if when it goes live it's a disaster of copyright infringement, etc, I'm sure it won't take long before the lawyers are knocking at AEBN's door...if illegal videos are posted, I'm sure Alberto Gonzales will be knocking on their door, lol.

So, wait and see attitude at the moment from me. If it becomes a cluster-fuck of problems it'll implode on itself with no action required from webmasters.

I believe you may be right, on all accounts.

Webmaster gets the shaft, policing it might be too much of a problem...

Life is all about the carma. You hurt, or try to hurt, their business and yours will suffer.

I do not care if you make $1 or $1 million per day... just trying to rule out "chance" from your 20%

It is much more likely to be chance if you make 20% more on $50/day, than if you make 20% more on $50.000/day

:2 cents:

This is some great publicity for porntube.com

Wise ppl say; "All publicity is good publicity"

Yes, GUBA has been making a killing from GFY :helpme

exactly!!!!

# 1198 site on Alexa, thanks to NOTHING but publicity on GFY!

Feel free to add to, or blast my thoughts ...

Nowhere did I see what we all have to comply with .... 2257

Anyone making home movies with their cell-phone can't and won't meet 2257 requirements.

Copyright infringement will be rampant.

Hopefully the Feds will see this type of "business model" as fostering criminal behavior. What else is it? Where did the officers of this corporation think their content was going to come from ... Vivid?

If unauthorized content is removed from YouTube you have teens on skateboards playing air guitar. However YouTube's content doesn't carry a five year federal jail term if the paperwork is incorrect.

Folks, you are all MORONS and Jace is right.

click
http://www.justjace.com/
and click for advice.
I know some folks who PAY for advice like that.

The business has been destroying itself with free content for years. This is just the next stept.

Wait until someone starts uploading Perfect 10 content to that site.

The lawsuits will start quickly.

What about 2257 also?

Its ironic that AEBN will use the $ they made/make from their PPV business to more or less attack the same people who have been sending them traffic for years (small webmasters/affiliates).

AEBN might believe that no one else "has the balls to make another YouTube clone"... well, I willing to bet that the first 100 of you are already working on beating AEBN. That is how the adult market works :2 cents: