said Russian with no traffic, money or brain cells.

Fat chicks are like scooters.. You like to ride them but you don't want to be seen in public. So what the fuck is wrong with you?

Oh rowly... can you spell?

Pick Serge's brain? What's there to pick?

Save your money, I'll give you the same advice for free.

Buy cheap traffic.
Sell to mobster who defrauds the customers.
Repeat.

ahhh...another "jovto-blakitny"

This is 2006, why are you still sucking dick?

yo bitch, bump it up...

PLEASE Johan take your one sided opinions and jump into the Persian Gulf.

Originally Posted by JohanTheGreat
Race? Jews are not a race. - true and the Palestinians arent a race either. In fact it was a name given to everyone born in that part of the world by the English. Jews, Christians and muslims. and every other religion i didnt mention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians

Zionist-jews are a disease, just like cancer and aids.
Israel should be wiped out and every jew in the "state" of israel should be put on trail in palestinia. Death-penalty would be a fast and easy solution.

Yeah, thats the attitude that has made Israel so geared to war. You know.they didnt start 'invading' Jordan, Syria, and Eqypt first. HELLO...did your very narrow view on reality miss that tid bit of info Johan?

Other then the history lesson there are a lot of shit going on, on BOTH sides. its just fucked up. Israel has the power to blow them up 10 times over and still the muslims are defiant and want Israel wiped off the map. Then they cry about it to other muslims. Then Israel has tons of muslims in jails all over that country and get irrate over one jew getting kidnapped.

Yo Serge, if I ever had to chose between that fat bitch that I see on those pictures and Alley boy I would take 3 Alley boys up my shiter and I would still be proud call myself a straight man..

Get a life you little fuckwitt

how can he has life if he has no traffic?

I fuck your mom :1orglaugh

I dont like European dicks, you suck babe :Oh crap The same people accusing the US of being run by nazis and trying to exterminate Muslims :1orglaugh Look at yourself, asshole.

What a BS :1orglaugh

ok gtg, this thread is now about the politburo

Wikipedia knows everything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshev..._Bolshevism.22

good article with only ONE exception:
Lenin never been a practicing Jew, he was an atheist and the rumor has it one of his grandmothers was jewish but...this doesn't make one a Jew.

not really...this thread, like any other thread I get myself involved in,
is about what I wanna talk about.

"I have a gift..."
;)

but when people are saying they won't join your program because of madawgz, you act like as they are idiots :1orglaugh

despite the popular beliefs, there are plenty of idiots out there.

What makes a person a Jew is really whether they consider themselves a Jew (practicing or non-practicing). There is no Jewish race, but there is a community around the world that openly considers itself Jewish and relates to each other and indeed acts accordingly. There are many examples (perhaps not in Lenin's case) where people who aren't particularly Jewish from a blood-line perspective have aligned themselves with this community and their aspirations.

And Wikipedia is a toned down version of the truth, just as they'd say that America has some influence from Jewish people, most people know in reality that Jewish people have a very heavy influence on the USA, from media, to entertainment, to politics. It is also true that some of the biggest mass-murderers in the Soviet regime were also Jewish, such as Kaganovich, who was largely responsible for the Genocide of some 5-10 Million Ukrainians. Personally when you consider the influence Jewish people had in the Soviet Union at the time I believe much of what is accepted as truth about Nazi persecution of Jews was also a load of shit (considering, I believe, all of these claims originated purely from Soviet liberated camps and not US liberated ones).

But anyway I guess that is for another thread and another time. I think we can all just safely establish in this thread that, like in the Soviet Union - indeed moreso, Zionists particularly have alot of influence and power in the United States, thus equalling unshakable support for Israel.

Terrorism = assassination of democratically elected government officials.

sorry, Chief, but you are wrong.

1) wrong about influence of Jews in Soviet politics.
If they were influenced, how come Stalin killed them all?

2) wrong about Nazi persecution of the Jews. Have you read Hitler or Himler lately?
You have doubts, they had not.

3) wrong about who is pushing the most USA support of Israel here. It aint' Jews. It's right wing Christians and Mormons (The richest religion in USA, BTW)
Who were the ones who sent volunteers to Israel to fight in 1973 war?
Mormons, that's who.

I am sorry to spank your ass with facts, but..
you are not the first and far from being the last.

Hitler was democratically elected official.

Russian Tsar was not democratically elected official
(Alexander II)
but was killed by TERRORISTS nevertheless.

Do you have any more stupid remarks and definitions?

Bring them on, I am bored.

Moron confirmed.

I hate to waste time on what is essentially a worthless debate (I mean you won't convince me and I won't convince you) but I'll bite a bit

1) Stalin killed everyone, even the most influential in his inner circles who were non-Jewish could not escape his purges. He would kill someone, replace him with someone else, than later kill this person. His grip on power was amazing, and possibly the worst modern example of what a dictator can become. Comparable, in mindset and general craziness, only with some of the worst Roman leaders of their time.

2) Hitler and Himmler did indeed hate Jews, and on many circumstances talked in a pretty vulgar manner about them. I do however believe that in order to study history the most effective way of getting the truth is not to evaluate someones speeches or propaganda, but instead to evaluate such things as private meetings (which in Nazi Germany were tracked and saved quite well) and to evaluate orders from people such as Hitler to their Generals, etc. I am still only now starting to really study the topic and actually have quite a few books on the way from various perspectives which I am looking forward to reading. But I'll start with my limited knowledge of what I have already read that has peaked my curiosity on the topic.

I am stretching my memory, but if forced I'll track down the exact document, when it was first suggested early on in the war that Germany should simply kill the Jews in a private meeting between Hitler and his colleagues, Hitler acted in disgust and said it would be dishonourable and un-German to do such. Furthermore, in that meeting Hitler personally signed off and agreed to what became known as the Madagascar Plan, which essentially meant that when Germany conquered Britain they would use Britain's navy to deport Jewish people to Madagascar to setup their own nation. Although this obviously did not happen, it shows I believe that they didn't have a plan when coming into power to simply kill all Jews in Europe. A second example would be that in the mass-shootings carried out by front line SS soldiers on the Eastern-front of Jews, etc was condemned a number of times by Hitler. Whilst these shootings are often directly linked to Hitler in most history books and documentaries, there are numerous orders by Hitler personally in which he orders that these executions must stop immediately.

I am only just now starting to get into and read this topic (WWII in general depth that is), but from what I've read so there is so much propaganda and bullshit surrounding Nazi Germany and Hitler personally that you must work quite hard to uncover things. The more you read the more you understand that whilst Hitler was indeed a ruthless rationalist he was way way above what he portrayed in his speeches. His speeches were pure propaganda, and on a number of occasions he admits it himself privately and by contradicting himself in more in-depth works of his, and whilst as I said he was a ruthless rationalist he wasn't, as he is constantly displayed, a complete blood-sucking lunatic. At present I don't accept the official stories of the Holocaust, though that may change upon reading more, I'll keep an open mind on it. But whilst I can't be fucked really going in to a lot of things I have read so far to me there is huge gaps in the official versions of what occurred, and knowing (correct me if I am wrong) that for instance that all 'death camps' were exclusively located in Soviet occupied territory, and that it is already accepted that they hugely exaggerated the number of dead in Auschwitz (claiming originally 4 million were killed there, now the official number is 1 million) I don't find it a stretch that they lied about a lot more than just that. Anyway, there is too much for me to go into that makes me have my doubts, but when I have read a lot more on the topic I'll reach a complete conclusion about what I believe to be the truth, but from what I have read so far I am certain it will differ (if only in the possible numbers) from the official claims.

3) I'll simply sum up this with

"In 1992, AIPAC president David Steiner had to resign when he was tape recorded boasting about his political influence, saying he had "cut a deal" with the Bush administration to give more aid to Israel. He had arranged for "almost a billion dollars in other goodies," he added and was "negotiating" with the incoming Clinton administration over appointing a pro-Israeli Secretary of State. Steiner also stated AIPAC had "a dozen people in (the Clinton) headquarters. And they are all going to get big jobs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC

Zionists are indeed, as you said, doing a wonderful job of getting Christian support in the US, but this support is indeed being initiated by Jewish people. And lets be honest, Christians in the US are among the most gullible people on the planet, and it is not surprising they are herding their way into the neo-con/zionist alliance. In a way I admire what they've achieved in the US, and in the manner in which they've done it, but at the same time I have an obvious disdain for the causes and agenda's they push with their power.

Anyway I'll most likely leave it at that. I used to post on a political forum in a few years back and wasted way too much time (although I learnt a lot I guess) actually researching and debating with people who obviously weren't going to change their mind. I'll save my efforts for people who are open to hearing what I have to say ;)

only if you beleive that Jews were the one who wrote the Bible and New Teastement.

good point and you are making point for me-
Jews had ZERO influence in the Soviet Union,
Stalin had ULTIMATE power, thus making talk about "Jewish influence" in USSR is an ABSURD.

why is ok

Very good idea and I've done just that:
http://nocomments.com/2/Polan/Auschwitz/

all those photos shot by Nazis, are they fake or Soviet propaganda?
My relatives who died in Aushwitz, are they pigment of my imagination too?


the guy in grey jacket
http://nocomments.com/2/Polan/Auschw...es/image1.html
who saw his relatives rounded up in Krakow where he lived in Jewish ghetto and sent to camps to die,
was he making stories?
(psst...he never lived in Soviet Poland, he escaped to Switzerland at the end of the war)

Christians at various stages have also burnt Jews at the stake too. Their new interpretation of attempting to making Jerusalem Jewish (or whatever their exact aims are, I don' particularly care for religion) to achieve the second coming are just another development along the road. Christians have not always been pro-Jewish, indeed for long periods of time they have been very very anti-Jewish which somehow makes no sense if they are trying to achieve what the Bible tells them is necessary for a second coming no? Christians are sheep, tell them which way to walk and offer some religious reasoning as to why and they'll jump all over it. They have manipulated numerous times into supporting various causes, even Hitler claimed that Jesus was trying to tell the truth about the Jews for instance, and this won't be the last time they support some idiotic cause. This time they'll do it to the backdrop of Fox News and various Jewish interest groups.

are you telling us that SOMEBODY in Hitler's Germany disobeyed his order?
Hitler's order, whose power was equal to Stalin's power in USSR?
C'mon, even you can't be that gullable.

sorry, but we are not discussing ancient history here,
the topic you addressed was Jewish influence in USA T O D A Y.
please stay ON topic.

the 4 millions include Aushwitz - Birkenau, MUCH larger camp than Aushwitz.
I've been there...were you seeing it with your own eyes or you just recite some propaganda you chose to beleive in?

http://nocomments.com/2/Polan/Auschw...s/image26.html

http://nocomments.com/2/Polan/Auschw...s/image23.html

If i remember well, Jews and Blacks could not go to public swimming pools with Whites back in the 60s.

America gives a lot of money to Georgia and the Ukraine, there is no Georgian influence over the US.

America supports Israel because this country has a strategical location in Arab World. The countries that recognize and support the most the state of Israel are those not having any Jewish minority.

No, the point is they had power and influence so long as they operated in a manner which was acceptable. Do you not seriously think Jewish people did not help push some of the exagerated (and these have been historically accepted as exaggerated) claims about Nazi death camps? Jewish people have never ruled by direct power, it is simply impossible with their numbers, but they are indeed successful and influencial people (just look at the US for that), and their influence was prevelant in the Soviet Union, this is not to say they ran the show.

Actually that was one of my biggest areas of conflict regarding the death camps. If there are so many eye witnesses, how can it not be true. But if you read you'll see that exactly the same eye witness accounts came out of US occupied concentration camps, only to be quickly rubbished by the American's who tookover the camps. I am not saying noone died, and I am not putting it beyond the realm of possibility that gas chambers existed. Indeed I think that those operating the camps were quite ruthless, particularly towards the end of the war, often killing those who they deemed unfit for work. What I am debating however, is possible the most evil of evil claims, that there was a systematic plan to gas all Jews in Europe. I believe they were used for forced man power, at a time when Germany was absolutely desperate for man power, in a brutal fashion along with the various other groups (such as large numbers of Slavic peoples), and that many who were unfit or unable to do what they were told to were killed, just as happened in the Soviet Gulag's.

Good example: France has a very significant Jewish community, still this country is openly anti-Israel.

..which one?

Official Arab version or Official European/American version?

they surely did....my relatives and every Jew I ever was in contact in USSR lie.
Our relatives hasn't dien in camps, they died at the French Riviera, with cocktails in their hands, compliments of Nazis.

Yeah yeah, Germans only used Jews as man power.

Do you believe what you said? Or are you really that stupid? :1orglaugh

There are documents and many Germans that could explain you if you still think it was made up by the victims.

I suppose you serve the same BS to raped girls. It was their fault :1orglaugh

Pathetic

hmmmm...Eichman admitted to the plan, he was a Nazi and instrumental in the execution of the plan.
Why you do not beleive Eichman?

Both have vested interest in their claims from different angles. If you think only Arabs have a vested interest in their claims you are the gullable one. Anyway maybe I'll check back on this thread tommorow, it is 1am here and I am tired as hell from too many soccer nights and early mornings. But it is obvious we could go all night citing different sources, it makes no difference. I'll check the thread tommorow, if you raise any decent arguements I'll respond.

don't call him stupid.

I put morons on ignore, he is not a moron. He is misguided, but stupid he is not.
He articulates his position well, right or wrong, but he is an interesting opponent to argue with.

Glad to hear. It's all clear now. By the way, my grandfather died in a Soviet Gulag too.

admittedly or not, but you go along word for word with the Official Arabic Version. It's OK, just admit it and we'll go forward from here.

Nazis and Soviet Communists had more in common than what brings them apart.
Sad, but true.

I found your source:
http://library.flawlesslogic.com/camps.htm


and here is another source:
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/camps.html
mentionong names of Eisenhower, Patton, Bradley,
who had biographers of their own and who confirm it.

so...what makes you beleive one source over the other?
I beleive in the source I found based on the stories presented by survivors I interviewd personally,
and whom did you talk personally to weight the evidence presented by both sides?

Ah, there is no point of arguing here. It is some dumb fuck electricion, who got lucky on ripping of people, and now he is acting all highclass, while he has no ethics or morals at all...

hahahaah dude, go fuck yourself

and stop calling yourself
russkyserge

pick a side already, you are nothing like a russian, just some disgracefull scumbag