There ya go, the answer, simple, don't kill Israelis first!

If my only other choice is having Israel do, yes! Or ask for help.

In the US we call it "aiding and abetting"

I think maybe it is you who lives in a world full of bunnies and little fluffy chicks. Tell me this, if Canada had a terrorist group that was randomly sending rockets into the u.s. and sending in suicide bombers for years, would you just sit by and take it?

I am all against war, but there is no way you can negotiate with people who will blow themselves up to fight you. They have no respect for life in general, so how can you negotiate. If you know history at all, this is the same mentality that Japan had in ww2. They would never give up, so we had to use nukes, and then not even one did it.

I only hope that Isreal keeps going and just wipes these fools off the map. I feel bad for the innocents, but their country should have done something about this.

Now the UN should take it as a clue and take care of Syria and Iran too. These two countries are the root of most of the problems anyway.

If you vote them in ... doesn't that make you responsible?

Lebanons INTERNAL problems caused a neighbor to react.

There is ZERO doubt as to what that neighbors reaction would be ... so what's the uproar about?

It's Hizballah who are responsible for this. If they didn't do what they do, then Israel wouldn't have to give the Lebanese Government an 'incentive' to boot them out.

I'll admit right now I do not know the full situation In Lebanon concerning Hezbollah so please let me know if I'm wrong

The Israelis beef is with Hezbollah right ?

Why punish the innocent in Lebanon with war ? In the long run with the amount of civilians who have died already is that not just going to drum up MORE support for Hezbollah ? Mainly from the innocent civilians who have had family killed ?

I guess I'm just not seeing the logic in punishing everyone here, would it not have made more sense for the Israelis to work with the Lebanese government on covert missions to try and get rid of Hezbollah from within Lebanon ?

This is what Britian did in Northern Ireland during the 70s during our trouble, they basically funded all of the loyalist paramiliaries in Northern Ireland to fight against the IRA. Would that not have made more sense ?

Or have the Lebanese government done nothing to try and combat Hezbollah ? Is that the problem ?

Just trying to understand the situation here :thumbsup

So although the Lebanese government don't claim to support Hezbollah, they do nothing against them ? Is that right ?

Damn.

Some of you Israeli fanboys are as bad as Apple computer fanboys.

Quite sad, actually.

Ok here is a question which I have always wanted to ask Israelis

I understand that Israel is the jews holy land but based on the amount of trouble in the middle east since the formation of Israel.

If you guys knew what you know now about how things would have unfolded would you have choose somewhere else to build a country ? i.e NOT in the middle east ?

I've always been curious about your thoughts on this

Also they had MI5 agents who had infiltrated the IRA and they had a lot of intelligence about what the IRA was planning to do in the future

Could the Israelis not have done something similar using Mossad ?

holy fuck, man this shit is bullshit!
civilians shouldnt be killed, its wrong.
W.R.O.N.G
:helpme if isreal was bombing america and killing your familys and not the soldiers that caused them to bomb you how would you feel ?

interesting thing is that Hezbollah is doing nothing about what isrealy is doing in lebanon, arab world is just sitting and watching and doing nothing!.. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT GOD DAMN IT...
All i see is..arabs talking , Gee had holly war Bla bla bla, kill jews and nothing seriuos,
i like isreal because they are doing something, some action !
ARAB People do something, and stop cryig like little child " we gonna bomb you with suicidebomber" if it is war, when it must be real war, and not israel is droping bombs with no answer!

I Want too see some ARAB VS. JEWS WAR ACTION
:warning Because it is the only way to fing out who is wrong and who is right

Fan boy ... lol ... hardly

Leave the Jews alone and they won't hit back.

Provoke the Jews and expect anything less than what is happening is foolish.

fuck israel

you gotta remember Israel's like little america. they don't think, they shoot and ask questions later.

BTW Hezbollah is supported/funded by other arab countries, Lebanon don't want them but don't have an army to fight them. Thats the same reason why there asking the world for help against Israel, but it won't come because Israel kisses yankee arse.

Ewwwww :Oh crap :helpme

Don't be so simplistic.

If I let those "soldiers" use my city as a staging point to KILL others ... I should be surprised when they fight back?

Global politics is like a mega complicated game of chess, there are so many variables its mind blowing. Well imo it would have made much more sense for the Lebanese government to ask Israel for help with Hezabollah, although if Hezabollah is part of the Lebanese government it complicates matters

And you actually belive that Isreal will force Lebanese government to whippe out Hizballah with such action? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Well, Lebanon is hardly being punished very harshly. Israel could easily have flattened the country in the last 10 days. So far, Lebanon has barely been scratched. Don't believe all that whining you see on CNN, unless you are a sheeple, which I'm sure you are not.

Anyway, if Lebanon allows a terrorist organisation to use it's territory to threaten and attack a neighboring state, it is both legal and correct for said state to take action to reduce that threat, either by giving Lebanon an incentive to get off their fat arses and do something about their badly bahaved guests or to attack the terrorists directly on Lebanese territory, or both.

It's like, if you had a psychopathic friend who came round to your house, went into the garden then started throwing rocks over the fence at your neighbours' children, the neighbours might first tell you to get your friend out of your garden. If you did nothing, it would be reasonable for your neighbours to jump over into your garden and give both your friend and yourself a good punch in the face.

So, the Lebanese government did nothing to stop Hizballah using their territory, and now they are whining about having their power stations bombed, knowing full well that there are millions of useful idiots here in the West who will sympathise with them. In fact, I'm pretty sure that the Lebanese president reads GFY, because he seems to have learned that his 'boohoo, we are the victims' play act has been successful, because each day he whines more and more (rather than doing anything about it).

the problem is that such answer never work in tribal middle east, unless there is only side completely slaughtered. Almost 60 years didnt Isreal or Arabian countries learn that.
It will creates only more terrorist who would like to fight Isreal next time.

Well since the Lebanese government has been discussing using it's army to disarm Hizballah since Israel attacked, I do believe it, yes.

:1orglaugh back at ya.

How can they make anything if they have less army power then Hizbollah?

Do you know at least what was the main reason for foundation of Hizbollah?
To fight against previous Israliean occupation.
Isreal created there a big problem and now is punishing whole country for not solving this problem.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

They were discussing :1orglaugh

lets talk in one month later, what they have done it.

how did isreal cause this problem? by existing? if you want to think that way its the UN's fault for putting them all back there after WW2.

If the Lebanese government refuse to do anything against Hezbollah then I can certainly understand this stance, thats really all I'm trying to establish because I do not know the history of Hezbollah and if the Lebanese government have even attempted to do anything to combat them.

I just don't see how bombing Lebanon is going to solve this problem ? I need that explained to me hopefully by the Israelis of this board. If anything, bombing Lebanon is only going to drum up more support from within Lebanon for Hezbollah because of the civilian casualties

lebanon should be pulvarized with a nuke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Simply, with behaving like a idiots during previous occupation.
Do you know they were welcomed in Shitte south part of Lebanon (where is today main base of Hezbollah) at beggining of invasion?
When they acted like a idiots, without sense for reality, locals start to fight against them, although they were glad at the begining to see Isrealis there to fight against Palestinians.
Thats how they created a problem.

The source: A book from American Jew, Thomas L. Friedman, "From Beirut To Jerusalem" (he has got Pulitzer price for it)

Israel should deploy evry bomb they got on lebanonnnnnnnnnn

Bump ! I want some opinions from my questions

You probably want to get a little background from here (wiki), about the formation of Hezbollah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah
and the Lebanese Civil War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...E2 .80.931990

I don't think bombing them to hell is going to solve the problem, now that we already know it's not doing much except killing civilians and not meeting their objective.

For the sake of the innocent parties involved, I hope they take a break from the mass bombings and at least reevaluate.. maybe give a little more time to evacuate for those who are at least able to.

Poor Lebanon!!! :(
Israel should stop doing those shits!!! :mad:

Arithmetic of Pain

By ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ
July 19, 2006; Page A12

There is no democracy in the world that should tolerate missiles being fired at its cities without taking every reasonable step to stop the attacks. The big question raised by Israel's military actions in Lebanon is what is "reasonable." The answer, according to the laws of war, is that it is reasonable to attack military targets, so long as every effort is made to reduce civilian casualties. If the objectives cannot be achieved without some civilian casualties, these must be "proportional" to the civilian casualties that would be prevented by the military action.

This is all well and good for democratic nations that deliberately locate their military bases away from civilian population centers. Israel has its air force, nuclear facilities and large army bases in locations as remote as anything can be in that country. It is possible for an enemy to attack Israeli military targets without inflicting "collateral damage" on its civilian population. Hezbollah and Hamas, by contrast, deliberately operate military wings out of densely populated areas. They launch antipersonnel missiles with ball-bearing shrapnel, designed by Syria and Iran to maximize civilian casualties, and then hide from retaliation by living among civilians. If Israel decides not to go after them for fear of harming civilians, the terrorists win by continuing to have free rein in attacking civilians with rockets. If Israel does attack, and causes civilian casualties, the terrorists win a propaganda victory: The international community pounces on Israel for its "disproportionate" response. This chorus of condemnation actually encourages the terrorists to operate from civilian areas.

While Israel does everything reasonable to minimize civilian casualties -- not always with success -- Hezbollah and Hamas want to maximize civilian casualties on both sides. Islamic terrorists, a diplomat commented years ago, "have mastered the harsh arithmetic of pain. . . . Palestinian casualties play in their favor and Israeli casualties play in their favor." These are groups that send children to die as suicide bombers, sometimes without the child knowing that he is being sacrificed. Two years ago, an 11-year-old was paid to take a parcel through Israeli security. Unbeknownst to him, it contained a bomb that was to be detonated remotely. (Fortunately the plot was foiled.)

This misuse of civilians as shields and swords requires a reassessment of the laws of war. The distinction between combatants and civilians -- easy when combatants were uniformed members of armies that fought on battlefields distant from civilian centers -- is more difficult in the present context. Now, there is a continuum of "civilianality": Near the most civilian end of this continuum are the pure innocents -- babies, hostages and others completely uninvolved; at the more combatant end are civilians who willingly harbor terrorists, provide material resources and serve as human shields; in the middle are those who support the terrorists politically, or spiritually.

The laws of war and the rules of morality must adapt to these realities. An analogy to domestic criminal law is instructive: A bank robber who takes a teller hostage and fires at police from behind his human shield is guilty of murder if they, in an effort to stop the robber from shooting, accidentally kill the hostage. The same should be true of terrorists who use civilians as shields from behind whom they fire their rockets. The terrorists must be held legally and morally responsible for the deaths of the civilians, even if the direct physical cause was an Israeli rocket aimed at those targeting Israeli citizens.

Israel must be allowed to finish the fight that Hamas and Hezbollah started, even if that means civilian casualties in Gaza and Lebanon. A democracy is entitled to prefer the lives of its own innocents over the lives of the civilians of an aggressor, especially if the latter group contains many who are complicit in terrorism. Israel will -- and should -- take every precaution to minimize civilian casualties on the other side. On July 16, Hasan Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, announced there will be new "surprises," and the Aksa Martyrs Brigade said that it had developed chemical and biological weapons that could be added to its rockets. Should Israel not be allowed to pre-empt their use?

Israel left Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. These are not "occupied" territories. Yet they serve as launching pads for attacks on Israeli civilians. Occupation does not cause terrorism, then, but terrorism seems to cause occupation. If Israel is not to reoccupy to prevent terrorism, the Lebanese government and the Palestinian Authority must ensure that these regions cease to be terrorist safe havens.

Mr. Dershowitz is a professor of law at Harvard.

Your opinion might be biased.

Attacking civilians sucks thought...

The Lebanese governement has allowed Hezbollah to live on the border. They say they do not support them but they also do not do anything to stop them from terrorizing Israel. If they want to be left alone they need to stop letting the terrorists live there. Lebanon as a whole has supported terrorism for a long time. It is their own faults right now what is happening to the their country.

maybe you right about somethings, but it can't be with other country's hands right?

What makes you think the Lebanese government can do a job that many other countries haven't been able to do yet when it comes to terrorists? There are terrorists in the U.S., and in the U.K. The U.S. has been trying for years and years to get them out of Iraq and still hasn't been able to do so.

Bombing innocent civilians obviously isn't the answer. It's been done over and over and over again for decades and decades, and hasn't worked yet.

let me remind something Bro...
we're Turks, that Arabs lived under the Ottomans Management since Some Centurys.
when we manage them, we all paid respect because of Prophet, we didn't let them even being soldier in the war, we hav protected them.
so what did they do durring the 1. world war?
they got treasoned us, some of them even killed our soldiers at deserts.
that stupits trusted to lowrence & they fucked up.
now. i don't that innesont people hav to take theyer GrandFathers Shame, but im really sad Arab people sitting & watching that events.

In fact - that first sentence is the complete opposite of international community opinion alex.

Nuff said.