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woj 07-22-2006 02:24 AM

50.,....,.. :arcadefre

BusterBunny 07-22-2006 02:24 AM

i got wojownd

he-fox 07-22-2006 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby
Minor addition he-fox - over 50% of cars run on "flex fuel" - either oil based or ethanol - gas is cheaper :winkwink:

You're right.:thumbsup

The only problem with these "2nd world countries" is that the average salary is way lower that in Western Europe and US. But if you make your money on the Internet...

RayBonga 07-22-2006 02:39 AM

Argentina is an awesome countrie and Buenos Aires is the Paris of South America, and without the inconvinience of having to speak french :winkwink:

A lot of beautifull women there too.

Only problem is the political situation there, you should take that into consideration too.

Quote:

In a similar vein, I meant to write earlier about a ridiculous policy that Kirchner, the president of Argentina passed a few months ago. In line with some of the increasingly populist policies in Venezuela and Bolivia, Kirchner decided to fight increasing inflation by imposing price controls and banning beef exports ? one of the country?s largest exports! Prices dully fell in the short run as the supply of beef increased in Argentina, but as the incentives for investing and growing livestock in Argentina have now completely disappeared the entire beef industry is now at risk! With policies like this, don?t be surprised if Argentina heads into another crisis in a few years!

I abhor these type of populist policies, they end up hurting the poor the most, the very people they claim to be helping! In a country like Venezuela with plenty of oil money, their damage may be partially mitigated, but Argentina can ill afford those!

For all those tempted by the mirage of populism remember this: Argentina was one of the richest countries in the world in the beginning of the 20th century until Peron destroyed the economy with mass nationalizations and outrageous government expenditures!

...

The icing on the cake, today Kirchner is having a business lunch with role models Castro (Cuban dictator for over half a Century)and Chavez (who already said he plans to stay in power until 2021).

Lastly, FYI, Kircher ?lost? 500,000,000 USD of public money a decade ago from his province of Santa Cruz plus the 12 year interest (approximately amounting to 1,000,000,000 USD now) and has never returned it to Argentina. The money was transferred out of the country and never returned. The bank account where this money is has not been disclosed to the public in 12 years.

Manowar 07-22-2006 03:32 AM

have fun

Mr. Blue 07-22-2006 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby
I hear ya Mr Blue :winkwink:

OK... Let's reverse rolls (and this happens to be actual fact in real life and on many occasions)... What minusonebit said is so typical of folks when they just get pissed off (usually in civilized countries) and not just the US.

Never counted... but got to be near 100 now over the last few years who came on the phone or chatted and their tone was very similar to what minusonebit was saying. Basically they have reached a point of "I've had enough" (and many sure have good reason). These folks ended up shipping out to enjoy, basically a better lifestyle in other countries - a good number ended up in the Caribbean or Latin America.

On many occasions they are from my home country and are trashing it to hell and back - but I don't tell them to piss off or adopt some "offended attitude" :winkwink: Often what they are saying I'd totally agree with and would sure totally support anyone who has an interest in getting out into the world and having a look around. (BTW.. That also has nothing to do with "hating" a country - everywhere has some good stuff going for it)

This thread is really based on... dunno.. a mix of the usual GFY diatribe and flippancy and a touch of patriotism stuff which is really unique to the US. Embedded in "patriotism" is a need to "defend" and a touch of malice can be used to do the defending - and that's really what is showing thru here. Least, that's my :2 cents: worth :)

PS... For amusement... here's a pile of quotes on patriotism :)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Patriotism

lol, I know where you're coming from and trust me if minusonebyte said it the way I would have started a thread he probably still would have gotten one of the patriots by the nose and gotten a response, but then I could have agreed 100% with what you posted :winkwink:

People tend to be self-absorbed and they think that their experience is the definitive experience for a topic, but it's not and people should try to open their eyes to that fact. Personally, if he presented this topic differently, I probably would have been asking more questions about Argentina instead of blah blah blahing like I am now :D

potter 07-22-2006 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by he-fox
You're joking...
2 malls = 200 shops aprox. - I'm sure there are commercial streets with many more shops in Buenos Aires
15 restaurants - many many more in B.A., cheaper, too
25+ fast-food places - I hope there are 0. Fast-food is crap
10 car dealerships - There are more in B.A., but whatta hell do you buy 10 cars at once? If you need a certain car, you can drive even 100 miles to get it.
1 movie theaters - probably many more in B.A.
3 24/7 fitness centers - probably there aren't 24/7 centers, but for sure are many more fitness centers
2 gun stores - Thanks God if there aren't any
2 shooting ranges - idem
1 airport - at least 1 international airport in B.A.
5 grocery stores - not even worth to be mentioned
4 department stores, liquor stores, camera shops, billiards stores, auto stores, furniture stores, any kind of stores - idem
a ton of parks - probably 10 tons in B.A.
1 major highway - probably many in B.A.
hundreds of bus stops, churches, gas stations, whatever - what do you say, in a 13 million ppl megacity, could be more:1orglaugh
Add to that 1 ocean and 1 huge river (Rio de la Plata), with beaches and stuff

All these, at a life cost probably 1/2 than in your area.

I would never compare a 13 milion inhabitans metropolis with your 15 miles area, man.

The truth is that in cities like Buenos Aires, with 4-5k a month, you live like in US with 15k a month. Try it and you will see that I'm right.

Ok, lets get down to business. Lets compare B.A. to a large U.S. city. Also to get really technical on my previous post, I just checked google maps, everything I mentioned was under 5 miles, and in my suburb town of Denver with a population of 40k. I was just guestimating on miles before.

Now, you say B.A. has 13 million for it's population. So you must be talking about the "Greater Buenos Aires", being the metropolitan area of Buenos Aires. Which does indeed have nearly 13 million for it's population and takes up about 1,500 square miles (The city of B.A. only has 2.7 million).

So with that in mind we can use Denver Metro's stats, as my town is part of the six county Denver Metro area. Denver metro has a population of roughly 2.4 million and takes up about 600 square miles.

Google says in Denver Metro there is
571 pizzerias
207 tanning salons
745 grocery stores
77 movie theaters
509 car dealerships
5,300 restaurants
323 fitness centers
etc etc etc

What's B.A.'s exact numbers?

potter 07-22-2006 04:54 AM

1,560 secondary schools (middle/primary)
1,370 colleges/universities
61 Airports
1,080 hospitals
467 government post offices
8,780 parks
1081 department stores
1,300 banks
1,180 furniture stores
7,470 bars

Would be interesting to see how the 25th most populated city in the U.S. compares to the capitol of your country.

edgeprod 07-22-2006 04:57 AM

Good luck with everything in Argentina! Hope it all works out well for you.

he-fox 07-22-2006 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by potter
Ok, lets get down to business. Lets compare B.A. to a large U.S. city. Also to get really technical on my previous post, I just checked google maps, everything I mentioned was under 5 miles, and in my suburb town of Denver with a population of 40k. I was just guestimating on miles before.

Now, you say B.A. has 13 million for it's population. So you must be talking about the "Greater Buenos Aires", being the metropolitan area of Buenos Aires. Which does indeed have nearly 13 million for it's population and takes up about 1,500 square miles (The city of B.A. only has 2.7 million).

So with that in mind we can use Denver Metro's stats, as my town is part of the six county Denver Metro area. Denver metro has a population of roughly 2.4 million and takes up about 600 square miles.

Google says in Denver Metro there is
571 pizzerias
207 tanning salons
745 grocery stores
77 movie theaters
509 car dealerships
5,300 restaurants
323 fitness centers
etc etc etc

What's B.A.'s exact numbers?

lol, who the fuck knows, like it really does matter...
You crack me up with 207 tanning salons, this means what? 207 places where dumb ppl spend their money when they can get tanned for free outdoors?

Important is that with the same amount of money (I'm talking about regularl amounts of money), life is better in Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Santiago, San Jose, whatever.

BVF 07-22-2006 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by potter
Exactly, I spent 3 months one time (longest vacation of my life). It's incredible when you realise you take for granted on a daily basis back in the States. Don't get me wrong, I had a blast on the vacation and would do it again. It's easy to let some things go, especially when you know you're only on vacation and will be home eventually. But living indefinitely without some of those things is a VERY drastic change.

I don't need shit except one walmart, an internet connection, a mcdonalds, a liquor store, a gas station, and a fried chicken restaurant....I'd rather have a native cooking me home cooked food than have access to 15 restaurants.

Tdog 07-22-2006 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

We should really all vacate the United States.

Vacate the states to save $600 a month in rent? No thanks.

edgeprod 07-22-2006 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tdog
Vacate the states to save $600 a month in rent? No thanks.

I think his stated reason is actually a political temper tantrum of sorts, and not a money issue.

But, of course, I haven't paid much attention, and could be off base.

Mike AI 07-22-2006 06:38 AM

Don't cry for me Argentina.... haha

Just do not convert your dollars into local currency, or invest much in Real Estate there.

Drake 07-22-2006 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio
gentlmen, a 3rd World country is called a 3rd World county for a reason, hell I'm sure rent is cheaper, and the girls are great but you'll see how many things you take for granted in the US aill have to struggle to get in a 3rd(ish) World country


Like I can get a house for 1000 bucks a month with swimming pool and 3 bedrroms in a ok area, but I can not get ADSL with say 40 Gigis for less than $500 a month, I also have to wait more than a month for the ADSL to be installed ......... and many many more examples, so be very careful when you consider moving somewhere else, and yes staying there for at least 6 months is not a bad idea

Great post

ezrydn 07-22-2006 07:03 AM

Use whatever expression you want. I put my friggin' life on the line for the US and got nothing but shit on for it. Suddenly, one day, I meet a great Mexican woman. She talks me into giving Guadalajara a try. Have never regretted one moment of that decision. Been down here for 5 yers now. Takes a US passport and a Mexican FM-3 (at their counsulate). Living is cheap, life is good (different, but good!). I am on total disability yet bring in a good coin from the net, all in my wife's name, of course.

No, Mexico (the interior) is the greatest place to live. I'd rather be farther away from Geo & Co but this is where I ended up. Will I ever return? I seriously doubt it. Way too much change needs to take effect before this vet heads back to the "land of the free." That IS said tongue in cheek.

So, yes, I fought for the right to say every friggin' thing I said above. I'm not non-American. But I'm not one of "today's Americans," that's for sure. Borrowed this info from a friend (Pete, hope you don't mind). WHY WOULD I LEAVE THE US? Read on......

"15 States and the District of Columbia arrested for marijuana"

"It's estimated that over 17 million people have been arrested for marijuana since 1965.
That's more than the combined populations of Alaska, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Maine, Montana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming."

You have every nation in the world pissed at you. Is this the America you seem to be so proud of? The America I have pride in is the America I remember from the 50s. What a friggin' great country, even with it's ethnic flaws (a time thing). I got to go to the originia Woodstock. Great show but could never happen in bootstrap US again.

Most of you are so young, you don't see what you've missed or are having taken from you, in your interest, of course. You're "neophytes" to democracy..

You want change? Thre are only 3 people you have some control over. Your two Senators and your Congressperson. When was the last time you bombarded them with mail, email, phone calls, etc? You may think you have no pull but you really do. It's called "ACTION!" Sitting aroun, passing a dub and talking about it won't get it done.

I was recently in the priemer VA Hospital. Never again. From now on, the Mexican doctors can treat me. It was a pure horror story, from San Antonio, TX!

So, why do some of us expatriates live outside the US. For our health, mostly. Aside from that, life is crummy, prices are high, rains all the time, so don't come down here. ;)

minusonebit 07-22-2006 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ezrydn
You want change? Thre are only 3 people you have some control over. Your two Senators and your Congressperson. When was the last time you bombarded them with mail, email, phone calls, etc? You may think you have no pull but you really do. It's called "ACTION!" Sitting aroun, passing a dub and talking about it won't get it done.

I agree with alot of your post but this part I dont. They dont care what I or anyone else thinks. I have piles and piles of form letters thanking me for e-mailing/writing/calling/visiting on issues. And they go right ahead and vote the way they were gonna vote anyway, regardless of what thier consitutients want. I have watched it time and time again. They do this because they know that no one will hold them accountable in any meaningful way. They are at no risk for assasination and for the most part are immune from removal from office.

In the old days of this country, when people had sense and actually gave a shit about the good of country, an elected person who constantly overrode the conensus would be voted out and if he didnt leave he'd be drug out. No way would he be allowed to stay in term and term again because people were too lazy or busy with thier own little patheitc lives to do anything about it. Which is what we have now. Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer are too busy working 80 hours a week to pay for the house and three SUVs and the two kids they cant afford to take the time to stop, watch an election and make an educated choice.

With regard to the arguement over avaliability of ammenities: The number of shopping malls and stores per square mile might actually be important if I was a female running my hubby's credit cards through the roof. But I'm not, so as long as the stuff I need can be procured without a cross country trek, then I am cool with that. I have done enough research to satisfy myself that the goods I consume in daily life can be gotten without much hassle, so who cares if Denver has 3 more bowling alleys and 10 extra resturants.

BA has plenty of resturants and fun things to do, and when I have exhausted them all, guess what I'll do? I'll take a vacation and go somewhere else and go see more intresting and new stuff in other lands. People from the US take vacations all the time both within the country and abroad to see and do things not avaliable to them in thier backyard. So really all thats happened is my departure point will change, so what?

I dont really know how many places you can buy a hamburger in BA, or how many tanning salons there are. But when you think about it, does it really matter? I dont live my life for the next Big Mac, so if there are no McDonalds I am sure I'll be fine because I'll find something else to replace it that I do like.

This isnt about saving $600 a month in rent. Yeah, sure, that will be one a perk. Not to mention EVERYTHING is cheaper. This is about being done with this country until and when things get better. And I dont see them getting better for a long, long time. So while the country here is going to complete an d utter shit (you rich playboys here in the States so should be careful how you spend... you may have wealth now but the economy is trending downward and even the richest men lost thier foturnes in the depression... keep in mind those who fail to learn from the mistakes of the past will repeat them...) I'd like to enjoy my life and see some cool stuff.

BA didnt get its reputation as being the Paris of South America because it is a shit hole.

stickyfingerz 07-22-2006 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby
Now... there you go again. Why is it you have to despise and show hatred of other nations and try to make some feeble jokes about them?

I'm just trying to work out how much hatred ya actually have while claiming others "hate the US".

Or the fact that most people dont consider it going out of the country unless you cross an ocean. :2 cents: Didnt you have some odd idea about how many contenients there are? :upsidedow

stickyfingerz 07-22-2006 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit
Oh, you all arent getting rid of me that easily. They have internet access in Argentina too.



Sticky dosent realize the difference between hating the COUNTRY itself and hating the GOVERNMENT, which gives the COUNTRY a bad name. This country used to stand for something respectable, honest and worthwhile. It was worth fighting for, worth protecting, worth trying to make it work. Today, this country stands for the same things that so many people have died trying to prevent way back when. The United States now represents waste, stupidity, power mongering and corruption. This a page torn right from the GOP playbook: anyone who disgarees with the ruling power hates the country, is unpatriotic and so on. These are the same tactics Hitler used to get Germany under his spell.



You're right. All of my money goes to pay for this tax and this fee and this charge and this program. Its not gonna be getting any better and I am tired of it. I refuse to work to support other people who dont wanna work and would rather stay on welfare, and to support a government thats spending is spiraling out of control with no end in sight. I'm not going to do it anymore.

As for a classier exit? This isnt a webmaster show or a movie production. I'd much rather just go than worry about making a classier exit.

Yes Im sure everyone misunderstood you calling our country a cesspool.... :uhoh Why even try to veil your hate? Just let it out sicko. :321GFY

ProducerCashDave 07-22-2006 01:53 PM

Good luck to ya

bogo 07-22-2006 01:55 PM

All the best...

escorpio 07-22-2006 02:13 PM

How's your Spanish?

minusonebit 07-22-2006 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by escorpio
How's your Spanish?

Its getting better. I should have at least a fluent understanding of the language in a few months. I am going to do some classes.

Worldnet 07-22-2006 03:49 PM

So long. Why not renounce your citizenship here also?:banana :banana :banana

edgeprod 07-22-2006 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit
Its getting better. I should have at least a fluent understanding of the language in a few months. I am going to do some classes.

That's smart. I've had some good luck with language tapes -- might try those.

DWB 07-22-2006 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by potter
I'll put money down that there is no city in South America with all that I've listed above within 15 miles. Even discounting the auto shops and gas stations. I've been to South America alot (not to Buenos Aires though), and have never seen any city come close (like not even an 8th of the amount) to having the shops and general stores/products/services available in the large American cities.

You will lose that money. :2 cents:

Mr. Soul 07-22-2006 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by potter
Ok, so yeah you get furnishings for cheaper (those apts didn't look all that great btw). You can also move to omaha if you want cheap housing.

Now, I'm not dissing Buenos Aires. BUT The reason I personally don't mind the expensive housing rates here in the States is because I have within fifteen miles of me

2 malls
about 15 nice resteraunts (maybe more)
prob like 25+ fast food places 0
hundreds of bus stops
10 car dealerships
countless gas stations
2 movie theaters
3 of those big 24/7 fitness centers
1 off road shop
2 gun stores
2 shooting ranges
1 airport
5 grociery stores (prob more though)
4 department stores (maybe more)
countless liqour stores
3 billiards stores
2 camera shops
about 10 banks (maybe more?)
a ton of parks
5 auto stores
like 15 furniture stores (people must like to buy furniture around here?)
1 major highway
2 interstate highways
a whoooooole bunch of churches
2 waterparks (that i know of)
4 computer stores
3 billiard bars
god i dunno how many normal bars, there's alot
a home depot
a whole crap load of tan salons, hair stylists
we have TWO "sell it on ebay" stores

and the list could go on and on and on and on and on and on.. But I think I made my point


Funny, what you just listed is what I don't like about this country.

You also forgot to mention;

250,000 advertisements
20 military recruitment offices.
10 psychiatry offices
4 pharmacies

Mr. Soul 07-22-2006 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
Funny, what you just listed is what I don't like about this country.


Except the parks and restaurants. It's nice to have the best park in the world and dozens of the best restaurants within walking distance.

The other bullshit I could do without. Thank God we're not plauged by big box stores like home depot around here yet. YET. They're making their move.

DWB 07-22-2006 04:27 PM

Mr Soul, I really dig your new sig.

Mr. Soul 07-22-2006 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
Mr Soul, I really dig your new sig.


:thumbsup


Scary but true. Amazing how prophetic some authors were. He said this before SSRI's (anti-depressants) were invented.

sacX 07-22-2006 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by potter
I'll put money down that there is no city in South America with all that I've listed above within 15 miles. Even discounting the auto shops and gas stations. I've been to South America alot (not to Buenos Aires though), and have never seen any city come close (like not even an 8th of the amount) to having the shops and general stores/products/services available in the large American cities.

I'll take your money.

BA easily has everything on your list within 15 miles excepting perhaps the international airport which is out of town. But lots of big ass cities have airports out of town, Tokyo Narita for example is 50 miles from Tokyo.

Storm_Tracker 07-22-2006 06:15 PM

We all know the US a shit hole come on ....

MOVE TO CANADA ...

TORONTO IS THE BEST !

minusonebit 07-22-2006 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sacX
I'll take your money.

BA easily has everything on your list within 15 miles excepting perhaps the international airport which is out of town. But lots of big ass cities have airports out of town, Tokyo Narita for example is 50 miles from Tokyo.

EZE is pretty close to town, isnt it? Still, alot of decent sized towns in the US dont have an international airport yet.

Webby 07-22-2006 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerzdotnet
Or the fact that most people dont consider it going out of the country unless you cross an ocean. :2 cents: Didnt you have some odd idea about how many contenients there are? :upsidedow

Really? This "fact" about how "most people" think is awesome.

Next time Customs ask you how many countries you have visited - it's a good idea to get it correct, than rely on your concept of what "most people think". :winkwink:

No problem with continents sticky - most geographers and scientists refer to six continents, however, like most shit - the US is out of step with the rest of the world and has been known to claim there are seven. There is in fact, no standard - so live with it.

Mr. Soul 07-22-2006 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm_Tracker
We all know the US a shit hole come on ....

MOVE TO CANADA ...

TORONTO IS THE BEST !


Sure, for now, but Harper 6 years with a majority, your country will be way more of a shithole than ours will ever be. Not nearlly as much money for those assholes to steal in Canada as there is down here. A 6 year Harper majority will set Canada back 30 years.

Snake Doctor 07-22-2006 07:31 PM

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya

E$_manager 07-22-2006 08:31 PM

i need a maid....

hent 07-22-2006 08:53 PM

<3 costa rica.

czarina 07-22-2006 08:57 PM

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Let it never be said that the United States has the best quality of living. The more I read and look and learn, the more convinced I am that its all one big fat lie. This country is such a rotten pile of steaming rat shit anymore its not even worth trying to exist in. What point is there in working all your life to support this disgusting system of government we have created where waste and incomptence is not only prevelent but rewarded?

I am sure the Argentine government has its own problems. In fact, I know it does. The difference is while the government is having its problems, at least I'll be able to enjoy my life to the fullest.

We should really all vacate the United States.


Thank you, I feel better now. And now, back to your regularly sceduled patriotic flag waving bullshit.

I think that you are mixing the quality of living with price. BEFORE you pack up and move. Live for three months in the country that you think you want to move to. It is a HUGE change from the US. Ask anyone that has made the move. I live 20 miles south of the US border, and as close as I live, there are issues.

minusonebit 07-22-2006 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristie
i need a maid....

No shit, ya know?

JaneB 07-23-2006 01:23 AM

I think the problem people have here in the US is that we want everything but bitch about having to pay for it. We want the big house, nice car, cable, nice clothes, lots of money, etc. You can't really bitch about it because it is your own greed. I for one and happy to pay for it and live in the US.

buck30 07-23-2006 01:56 AM

Get the fuck out, hurry
 
Dip shit

minusonebit 07-23-2006 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by buck30
Dip shit

I love well thought out replies like this. That was deep, man. You are so fucking insightful. I'll spend some serious time pondering the, emm, information that you just presented me with here.


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