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Azlord 07-24-2006 02:37 PM

Did the stipulation that if you're a FSC member, that they can't come after you? I thought that was the deal.

ProjectNaked 07-24-2006 02:38 PM

An annual "reporting/inspection" day would be nice. Hope the companies on the list don't have any meetings, interviews, shoots, or other important LEGITIMATE business activites planed for the day. Interruptions suck, esp. if they can be avoided. :2 cents:

czarina 07-24-2006 02:40 PM

we've got nothing to fear, but it would suck to have them come and knock on our door... oh, wait! they don't operate outside the US, so I doubt they will send an agent here to check our paperwork (we do have it, just in case).

L-Pink 07-24-2006 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectNaked
An annual "reporting/inspection" day would be nice. Hope the companies on the list don't have any meetings, interviews, shoots, or other important LEGITIMATE business activites planed for the day. Interruptions suck, esp. if they can be avoided. :2 cents:


Interruptions are the least of your worries if no-one is there that day.

MaddCaz 07-24-2006 02:40 PM

Get Eemmmm

ProjectNaked 07-24-2006 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink
Interruptions are the least of your worries if no-one is there that day.

since when does your daily schedule have to revolve around unconstitutional searches???

L-Pink 07-24-2006 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectNaked
since when does your daily schedule have to revolve around unconstitutional searches???

Advance notice of inspections. Advance notice of record
inspections shall not be given.

Inspections shall take place during the producer's normal
business hours and at such places as specified in Sec. 75.4. For the purpose of this part, ``normal business hours'' are from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., local time, Monday through Friday, or any other time during which the producer is actually conducting business relating to producing depiction of actual
sexually explicit conduct. To the extent that the producer does not maintain at least 20 normal business hours per week, producers must provide notice to the inspecting agency of the hours during which records will be available for inspection, which in no case may be less
than twenty (20) hours per week.

ProjectNaked 07-24-2006 02:59 PM

Like I said :)

- I know plenty mid-level primary producers/companies that are in the office 60 hours one week and not at all the next.

It's one thing for the big boys with 20 employees and "regular" business hours, but the majority of mid-level companies are less than 5 employees.

The Captain 07-24-2006 03:02 PM

I hope if they show up they dont show up in big black SUVs with FBI jackets on and shit cause all the office neighbors will wonder whats up....

L-Pink 07-24-2006 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProjectNaked
Like I said :)

- I know plenty mid-level primary producers/companies that are in the office 60 hours one week and not at all the next.

It's one thing for the big boys with 20 employees and "regular" business hours, but the majority of mid-level companies are less than 5 employees.


And that is what I should tell the Federal Judge?

Azlord 07-24-2006 03:05 PM

I thought that members of the FSC can't be searched until a ruling on 2257 is reached?

ProjectNaked 07-24-2006 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink
And that is what I should tell the Federal Judge?

just tell them you have a get out of jail pass from the FSC and they will call you a cab :thumbsup

basschick 07-24-2006 03:24 PM

the 20 hour per week deal is part of the new regs - if they are visiting as per the old 2257, i believe it is all business hours.

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink
Advance notice of inspections. Advance notice of record
inspections shall not be given.

Inspections shall take place during the producer's normal
business hours and at such places as specified in Sec. 75.4. For the purpose of this part, ``normal business hours'' are from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., local time, Monday through Friday, or any other time during which the producer is actually conducting business relating to producing depiction of actual
sexually explicit conduct. To the extent that the producer does not maintain at least 20 normal business hours per week, producers must provide notice to the inspecting agency of the hours during which records will be available for inspection, which in no case may be less
than twenty (20) hours per week.


L-Pink 07-24-2006 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by basschick
the 20 hour per week deal is part of the new regs - if they are visiting as per the old 2257, i believe it is all business hours.


Which is a real burden for single person companies. Small sites, photographers, etc. Vacations, out of town shoots ...... ?

Quentin 07-24-2006 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azlord
I thought that members of the FSC can't be searched until a ruling on 2257 is reached?

Here's clarification on this point, from a press release issued a few minutes ago by the FSC:

**********
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Tom Hymes 818-304-1712
July 24, 2006

2257 Inspections Have Begun!

Chatsworth, Ca. ? The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) has learned that the Federal Government has initiated the first of the long-awaited 2257 inspections. Five FBI agents today checked the records of a major (primary) producer of adult content for specific movies, used their own copying equipment and left the location.

FSC urges you to check with your own attorney.

If you are a primary producer or a primary and a "secondary" producer, expect an inspection. If you are in the latter category and are also a member of the Free Speech Coalition, only the primary producer records are subject to inspection.

If you are exclusively a ?secondary? producer, or both primary and ?secondary,? and exempt from ?secondary? inspection by virtue of your Free Speech Coalition membership, it is important that you ask your lawyer how to decline the Federal inspection, and notify the FSC office as soon as possible if such an inspection is attempted.
**********

- Q.

Dirty Dane 07-24-2006 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azlord
I thought that members of the FSC can't be searched until a ruling on 2257 is reached?

2257 is only about record requirement. There are other laws they can use :2 cents:

summerland 07-24-2006 03:42 PM

Nice to know that we have all our docs in order.

Azlord 07-24-2006 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quentin
Here's clarification on this point, from a press release issued a few minutes ago by the FSC:

**********
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Tom Hymes 818-304-1712
July 24, 2006

2257 Inspections Have Begun!

Chatsworth, Ca. ? The Free Speech Coalition (FSC) has learned that the Federal Government has initiated the first of the long-awaited 2257 inspections. Five FBI agents today checked the records of a major (primary) producer of adult content for specific movies, used their own copying equipment and left the location.

FSC urges you to check with your own attorney.

If you are a primary producer or a primary and a "secondary" producer, expect an inspection. If you are in the latter category and are also a member of the Free Speech Coalition, only the primary producer records are subject to inspection.

If you are exclusively a ?secondary? producer, or both primary and ?secondary,? and exempt from ?secondary? inspection by virtue of your Free Speech Coalition membership, it is important that you ask your lawyer how to decline the Federal inspection, and notify the FSC office as soon as possible if such an inspection is attempted.
**********

- Q.


Thanks so much!

C H R I S 07-24-2006 04:30 PM

Story Updated.......

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=272407


Allan said the FBI did not disclose the other names on the list, but knowledgeable sources say that the agents are interested in examining the records of 23 video titles from various producers. That list was not made available to AVN.com.

billywatson 07-24-2006 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azlord
Did the stipulation that if you're a FSC member, that they can't come after you? I thought that was the deal.

It's the current deal right now for secondary producers...primary is open for inspection at any time.

XPays 07-24-2006 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris
Story Updated.......

http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...tent_ID=272407


Allan said the FBI did not disclose the other names on the list, but knowledgeable sources say that the agents are interested in examining the records of 23 video titles from various producers. That list was not made available to AVN.com.

thanks- please keep us posted.

Mr. Soul 07-24-2006 05:24 PM

This is a good thing. They should check the records. If the companies aren't using underage models they should have nothing to hide. In fact, I would not be against manditory anual inspections of all producers 2257 records. Reasonable regulation is good for our industry. We should have nothing to hide. As the owner of Diabolic said, they are being professional about it and are just there to check records, they're not on a which hunt.

That beats the hell out of having a bunch of FBI agents kick in the door and size all computers and other property because some religious nut makes a fake complaint.

XPays 07-24-2006 05:29 PM

based on the update from avn it seems like they were after specific title doc's and not every movie in one's portfolio. my guess is they know something about a model and this is not random. they held out and will now look for some low-hanging fruit...

L-Pink 07-24-2006 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays
based on the update from avn it seems like they were after specific title doc's and not every movie in one's portfolio. my guess is they know something about a model and this is not random. they held out and will now look for some low-hanging fruit...


If so, that is the way it should work. Checking out specific models. And I can see wanting all files in order so they can check and leave.

SmokeyTheBear 07-24-2006 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVNChris
So sorry for not qualifying - most major U.S. Adult producers are FSC members. Happy?

not yet , i need that written in your own blood and that of at least 5 family members , written on the foreskin of an albino pygmy mouintain lion.

THEN i'll be satisfied.

jk . i was just bustin your chops :)

SmokeyTheBear 07-24-2006 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays
thanks- please keep us posted.

breaking news , paris hilton was only 17 at the time of her porn tape.

Billions of people are expected to be charged.. LOL

xxxjay 07-24-2006 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK
The Hammer is coming down :(

Yep.....

OG LennyT 07-24-2006 06:56 PM

so Extreme Associates will be getting a visit soon... Rob will be happy to see them

xxxjay 07-24-2006 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Latona
Diabolic is in So Cal right? If so, I'd guess the other 9 on the list are in the same area.

I just heard they've hit a company based in Miami as well. I am still waitng on details.

Please post if you know more.

gleem 07-24-2006 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay
I just heard they've hit a company based in Miami as well. I am still waitng on details.

Please post if you know more.


please tell me your joking! :disgust

L-Pink 07-24-2006 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay
I just heard they've hit a company based in Miami as well. I am still waitng on details.

Please post if you know more.


Specific content/model or company overall?

BVF 07-24-2006 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink
Specific content/model or company overall?

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay
I just heard they've hit a company based in Miami

Lord Have Mercy! :helpme

madawgz 07-24-2006 09:56 PM

well if you have all your documents there shouldnt be a problem...

L-Pink 07-24-2006 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF
Lord Have Mercy! :helpme


And did they want specific content, a particular model or all the records the company had ?

Big difference ..........

L-Pink 07-24-2006 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madawgz
well if you have all your documents there shouldnt be a problem...


You are missing my point.

Wouldn't it be nice if inspections are based on SPECIFIC content. NOT every piece of paperwork in the fucking building.

This would mean inspections to keep underage models from being used is the agenda. Not, let's harass the industry.

CaptainHowdy 07-24-2006 11:21 PM

Ouch! Ouch! Ouch :(!

Shoehorn! 07-24-2006 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay
I just heard they've hit a company based in Miami as well. I am still waitng on details.

Please post if you know more.

Shit, not good. It seems even worse since its in the middle of the night. :Oh crap

RawAlex 07-24-2006 11:30 PM

Okay, my quick take from over here:

if they are looking at 23 specific videos, they may be looking at either (1) a specific performer or group of performers, or (2) a specific type of video.

It would be very interested to see after the 2nd and 3rd companies get visited to see what it is they are looking at and such. It would be a big issue if the FBI discovered a potentially underage performer or something like that, and they are trying to see who all used that performer. (PLEASE! THIS IS NOT EVEN SPECULATION ABOUT ANYONE... JUST A THOUGHT, NOTHING MORE!)

I guess more news in the morning, right?

XPays 07-24-2006 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear
breaking news , paris hilton was only 17 at the time of her porn tape.

Billions of people are expected to be charged.. LOL

funny - but not. paris hilton was over 18 and we maintain doc's as well as rldv and mr. salomon.

SmokeyTheBear 07-25-2006 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XPays
funny - but not. paris hilton was over 18 and we maintain doc's as well as rldv and mr. salomon.


heh i almost didnt post it , but i thought its not in terribly poor taste , the joke was more about how a billion people were expected to be charged :winkwink: i think everyone knows paris was over 18 by now..:thumbsup


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