i'm not impressed that the legislation for record keeping - which i'm not against in principle as I've done this since day 1 - is tied to a bill for child molestation.


that's fucked up.

You got that right ...

I still am waiting to know exactly what shittyfingerz do EXACTLY ...

Not names of people that you heard of ... what YOU ( shittyfingerz ) do exactly....

so what does this all mean? does the law go into effect today? is content produced prior to 7/2006 exempt? how do records need to be kept for secondary publishers going forward?

Here's a very real and frightening scenario under this outrageous new Act.
A group of friends in their early twenties decide to throw a small pool party to celebrate a birthday. THe music is on, the cameras are flashing everyone's having a great time. Heather bends over to pick up her purse but gets caught in the crossfire of a *GASP* camera lens, her shirt has slipped, revealing a nipple, all caught on a picture. Heather laughs it off " Oh look at that teehee, its ok you can keep the pic, Roger!" Roger is so excited he rushes inside to his laptop and uploads all his pictures to photobucket.com. A couple days later Roger makes his own homepage and includes a link to his photo album. All his friends love what he's done everythings wonderful. Seven months later Roger gets a knock at the door, SWAT rushes in to save the day, confiscating Roger's laptop and putting Roger in cuffs. ROger is now in court, with Heather under oath. Heather states she didn't mind Roger using the picture. Heather states her age, 22. Fully legal. Now this is a nude picture uploaded to the internet for public use. Roger is fully classified now as a secondary producer. The judge asks Roger for proper legal documentation supporting his "photographic hobby". Obviously, he's SOL. 20 years in prison. This predator, this criminal, will set the example for future convictions. GOD BLESS AMERICA.

what a damn mess...

this is fucked up..

Wouldn't that make Roger a primary producer?

Not to flame the fire here, but doesn't this law make Google a secondary producer and now subject to 2257 regs?

Speak about low hanging fruit.....

Will someone please answer this?!? It's been asked twice now, but as this thread proves, GFY's bickering & keyboard warrior drama will always take precedence over the constantly emerging threats & the clarity thereof...

Sometimes I wonder if it's even worth it. This industry is constantly being attacked, more rapidly now than ever. And yet we still can't come together for shit. I mean, if I was all 'anti-porn' & knew how unprofessional & unorganized this biz was, I'd take a shot at you, too.

So come together, people. Not just for this, but for every threat we are guaranteed to face for the many years to come.


/sad part
c-lo

You again have no idea what I do. lol Here is a hint. I have 32 dvds all with 2257 info sitting on my desk atm.

50.....,... :)

EFFECTIVE DATES

I've read sec 502 and 503 several times and 502 doesent say when its effective starting date is. UNLESS it's assumed 90 days after being published in Federal Register. I don't know.

Sec 502 does not clearly specify today or 90 days after entering into the Federal Register.
(b) CONSTRUCTION.--The provisions of section 2257 shall not
apply to any depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct as
described in clause (v) of section 2256(2)(A) of title 18, United
States Code, produced in whole or in part, prior to the effective
date of this section unless that depiction also includes actual sexu-
ally explicit conduct as described in clauses (i) through (iv) of
section 2256(2)(A) of title 18, United States Code.

Sec 503 CLEARLY states 90 days after publishing in Federal Register:

The provisions of this section shall not become effective until
90 days after the final regulations implementing this section are published in the Federal Register.

that could mean you like to jerk off alot , it means nothing. lol Your not in our business,thats not a bad thing. You just dont understand.

Yup not in your business. What a fucktard you are. If you want to discuss what I do, Ill be in Florida next week. Be glad to discuss what I do there. :thumbsup

again just because you go to conventions means nothing. Did I call you names keyboard warrior?

I need to prove nothing to you. The people who know me know what I do. Im sure alot of people spend thousands of dollars to goto conventions when they are not in the business lol. Maybe 1 a year. Florida will be my 4th since March. What do you do? Is lovedollars your program?

Thats what I am waiting to hear. How Google is exempt from this. What Google does with their 'images" is no different then TGP pages that use thumbnails. no different, except TGP's dont have stolen content on it and no CP either which google does.

Some how, I feel the multi billion dollar company will get a pass on this one.

No one has addressed the issue of LIVE Porn. Say I buy video feeds for my site, how do they plan on keeping track of stuff that is live and not archived ?

Wonder if AFF will be taking down all their nudy pics from user profiles?

Where the fuck is the FSC with fighting this?

What happen to all the money that was donated to fight this battle?

We have not heard jack shit basically once everyones wallets came open and donated..

No love dollars isnt mine.My wife is Mandy Blake, we produce and run two paysites. We have no program and in light of the new law god was smiling on me on that choice.Been doing it for 6 yrs and I have only been to one show the whole time. The money going to a show is better spent creating new content. A reporter from Klixx interviewed us for their mag dont know when its coming out, it should tell our story in detail. I may disagree with you but I have never given you the disrespect of calling you names.

You guys need to shut the fuck up. Go argue on ICQ or something and leave this thread alone for 2257 discussion...

Thanks for the info, BV. Any info is appreciated right now. The legal aspects of adult scare the hell out of me, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

On a sidenote, for the sake of this thread, will you guys (stickyfingerz & tony) just agree to meet up for a drink in FL or something? (just dont talk about legalities :))

It'd be nice to keep this one on topic, ya know?

And will76, I've noticed several people asking what Google is going to have to do in this situation, as well as AFF & all the cam/live sex sites. Maybe you should make a thread for it. You'd probably get suggestions that are more on topic that way.

Can someone break this down a little more? It's kind of confusing...

The best defense against this is to challenge these guys to hold their newly drafted bills under public scrutiny. I don't know if its possible to reverse this but in the future they obviously need to be held more accountable. Such a major thing like this happened in a short span of six days. That's hardly enough time for everyone to collaborate. Fortunately there are industry execs in Washington's think tank helping the situation but there's gotta be more so do your part, join the FSC, write to congress etc. It is possible to reach a solid resolution to an ongoing problem.

You're right, sorry I shouldnt group you in with all the others that are here simply here to argue politics. I appologize for calling you a name. Though you shouldnt underestimate me and what I do.

Your right and Im sorry also.

As far as the law, instead of freaking out.Im sure at internext some lawyer is going to speak on this at length. The real problem with 2257 and all the changes in the words of my lawyer.Until it goes to court, its all opinions on how to handle it.

:warning :warning :warning :warning

What is the lobbying group the FSC hired doing up in WASH DC, is another question.

Fucking high priced hookers on adult industries dime

back to the top :(

it's nice to know that people care about the important things like hit it threads and drama more than something as unimportant as this :thumbsup

womp womp womp this is not good...

el bumpo

google isnt complying yet:

http://images.google.com/images?q=ta...=Search+Images

does anyone else think that since Bush and his time in office and power is running out fast that he is just trying to fuck up as much stuff as possible ?

Sure.. perhaps not so much fuckup (he does not even have to try to do that)... but who knows Jimmy, - I would not be the slightest surprised to see his mob in power yet again. There is nothing like prepping up for the next session :)

There sure is a fetish over children in this Admin and that is neither healthy or in any way in the interests of children - (OK .. I'll give em 2 marks for the little bit of good it may have had) - but at the core, it's sheer bollocks and little more overall than child abuse. And, of course, designed to fuck others up as well.

Forgetting all political crap, they sure have not served the US well - and fucked up big time outside the US. If that crap continues, there is no way other than a downwards spiral - it's not even sane.

It's not settled yet.... it still has to be tested in and interpreted by the courts. Go get em, FSC!

yep so true

When 2257 had new regulations last year, they said it would effect content from that day on .... so I, too, am curious if this affects content as of today or are they grandfathering it.