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Dirty F 09-13-2006 01:22 PM
100clicks

Mojo 09-13-2006 01:22 PM
>>>>>
I know he's got modf on his team. Moof is quite the asset from what I know of it.
>>>>

ModF is quite the man asset. (If you know what I mean...:winkwink: )

Dirty F 09-13-2006 01:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
I'll take this question out of turn since a hater was brave enough to post in this thread.:winkwink:

Why do cheaters always refer to themselves as "affiliates"
sending fraudulent traffic or traffic that is not allowed does not make you an affiliate, it makes you a cheater.
In the days when we were kings of adult pay per click, we were light years ahead of other programs when it came to fraud. Mojo actually flew to goto.com (now overture.com for you young ones) offices and gave them a talk on how we detected fraud. It was an eye opener for them and one of the reasons we were able to do big business with them.
Anyway, you'd have these guys beating programs left and right and along we came with our good looks and higher payouts. ALL the cheaters came over for the high payouts. We identified them and pointed their traffic at an identical looking page but with only PPS sponsors so as not to hurt our buyers. We then just let them run the counter up imagining they were getting paid. We saw it as our duty to clean up the industry since we had the ability.
Well, imagine the squealing that went on when these guys were outed as thieves. Here many of them were, pillars of their little online communities, outed for what they really were.

I made many many enemies for that and some of them you still see today (all under new names and swearing they never knew me before last week but badmouthing me all the same):winkwink:

Then you have people like frank who wanted to collect the highest rates in the industry but didn't want to follow the rules. His argument today is that we changed our rules all the time to create cheaters out of honest webmasters. Its a simple matter to disprove this lie by looking up the programs in the wayback machine and seeing that in the long life of these programs the terms changed maybe, one, twice tops.
We never gave less than a month's notice and the notice was always via email AND on the stats page.

but you know, the franks of the world are always right. There's so much money to be made chasing honest webmasters out of the system.:1orglaugh

Hah, good to see my question got your attention and you answered it before all the other ones (almost).

And it's Franck, not Frank.

StuartD 09-13-2006 01:27 PM
Is it true that ModF's goatee tickles?

12clicks 09-13-2006 01:28 PM
This is the earliest recording of 12clicks in action. Its in our old little office and is me accepting the trophy for winning the office bubble hockey championship. not the secretary handing me a bouqet of roses as well.
http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG

its worth the click.

12clicks 09-13-2006 01:28 PM
double post

CDSmith 09-13-2006 01:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojo
ModF is quite the man asset. (If you know what I mean...:winkwink: )
So you like em skinny eh? Interesting.

Now I know why you guys have never offered to bring me on board. :D

RAM 09-13-2006 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
double post
Double post Double Click

12clicks 09-13-2006 01:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony
Nice.

12Clicks has always been a star in my eyes.

Mojo too. :)
queer.:winkwink:

machinegunkelly 09-13-2006 01:34 PM
Great thread :D
Always enjoy 12clicks posts ;) this is awesome

BradShaw 09-13-2006 01:41 PM
Going to be a great read!

lulu36 09-13-2006 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
"dodged another bullet, eh fag? One day you're going to get a bad case of botulism":1orglaugh
lmao. nice!

Shok 09-13-2006 01:46 PM
Ron and I have banged dead hookers together.

12clicks 09-13-2006 01:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyDream
6. Have you ever terminated someone from one of your programs just cause you didn't like them? discuss
oh sure. We'd get noobs who would send nasty emails because they didn't know how to put our link on their page (ctl+c, ctl+v):1orglaugh or they would find one of our affiliate managers on icq or phone and start ripping them a new asshole. I'd take over and say the following,"ok, I just fixed the problem for you" right after I killed their account.

Then there was the memorable confrontation with Shap back when we were both younger and a little quicker to anger. He was in one of our programs, maybe blindlinks and making good money. He starts just hammering me on the boards maybe for arguing with one of his friends, I honestly don't remember. Anyway, he's just relentless and I'm like, "WTF? I'm your meal ticket" I told my people to go over his account and make sure he wasn't breaking any rules. Sure enough, he was opening us in a new window. (strictly forbidden) So now I come back with some "fuck yous" of my own, post his page and post our terms and cancelled his account. It was ugly and I'm sure we both look back and wished we hadn't done it. We both went on to bigger and better things so no biggie.

RRRED 09-13-2006 01:59 PM
Hehe.. here you whiny little bitch.

http://www.rrredthumbs.com/junk/12clicks.jpg

I have got to photoshop that other one

tranza 09-13-2006 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
oh sure.
Finally you admited being a scammer.

That's how I got scammed for the first and only time in this business. I had just started and after a couple of months I had reached the minimum payout. Two months after that, I still hadn't received my check so I wrote an e-mail and got a bs reply saying that my address looked suspicious so they didn't e-mail me the check, but promissed to do it. A month after that I still hadn't received my check. So I e-mailed them again and 12clicks pretty much told me to stop sending traffic because I was "not worth the trouble", and that he was going to send me a check with the total I ever made with Mojo Search.

2 months after I talked to the scammer I still didn't have my checks and I posted on a couple major boards (including this one). 12clicks started some bs threads saying that I didn't knew my address and that the checks were returned to them or something.

I hope the newbies around here are reading this and NEVER send any traffic to this scammer. I've seen quite a lot of people complaining about not breaking any rules and never getting paid.

The worst part is that the minimum payout was around $25 or something, so he's a small time thief, nothing else.

He doesn't even deny it.

:321GFY

Dirty F 09-13-2006 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tranza
The worst part is that the minimum payout was around $25 or something, so he's a small time thief, nothing else.
That looks small time but with the amount of people he did this to its not really small time anymore.

tradermcduck 09-13-2006 02:20 PM
wow this thread brings back memories...

StandardInternet was one of my first sponsors :thumbsup

tranza 09-13-2006 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Franck
That looks small time but with the amount of people he did this to its not really small time anymore.
You think I don't know that?

The first time I posted on GFY about not getting paid by these scammers I got at least 15 people saying the exact same thing.

Anthony 09-13-2006 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
queer.:winkwink:
I am what I am. :)

You and Mojo bent over backwards to help me out when I started, I"ll never forget that.

Ron is a pioneer, and I am glad to see him get his due.

Knee in the nuts from me later this year.

Paul 09-13-2006 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tradermcduck
StandardInternet was one of my first sponsors
Mine too

12clicks 09-13-2006 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenny2
With all the 12clicks haters out there this one could go more pages than all the others.
the haters usually come out at night (after their real job during the day is over)
there really are far fewer haters out there. Scammers and dopes tend not to hang around. look at tranza, he's got to pretend that some day long ago he had 15 people agreeing with him. :1orglaugh

Mojo 09-13-2006 02:33 PM
>>>
http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG
>>>

I remember this.

I knew he'd win so when I called up the trophy place I said "Go down to your basement and find the biggest, ugliest trophy you can. I want the one that is so ridiculous you're ashamed to sell it to anyone."

And there it is. And I never won it back from the bastard in the last 7 years.

https://secure13.nexternal.com/arcad...r-Chexx_lg.gif

CDSmith 09-13-2006 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
This is the earliest recording of 12clicks in action. Its in our old little office and is me accepting the trophy for winning the office bubble hockey championship. not the secretary handing me a bouqet of roses as well.
http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG

its worth the click.
I would so... so.... SO kick your ass at bubble hockey.

But you hang on to that trophy for me, k? Thanks man. :D

axelcat 09-13-2006 02:45 PM
I love these interviews

Loryn 09-13-2006 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAM
Not only what will he wear but will he take me as his date ????????
Oh NO back off Rammy he is ALLLLLLL mine! grrr :mad:


Great Interview Sleazy! I love reading all of 12Clicks posts. He is my big sexy beast! :Graucho

I love ya Ron and I can't wait to read this whole thread.

I love your dinners as well and hope to attend them again when you get your ass back in the game. The first dinner I attended I felt the Mojo that night LOL Even kicked ass at the craps table! Can't wait to see you again! :wetkiss

Ron + Loryn + Grey Goose Vodka Martini's = :banana

Here is a pic of my sexy beast with two of my favorite girls!

http://loryntaylor.com/12Clicks.jpg



I hear that Mojo likes his dessert fed to him by tall blondes, is this true?

12clicks 09-13-2006 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyDream
7. How many cheaters do you think there are really out there?
far far fewer than there used to be, thats for sure. When pay per click died in adult, the cheaters died with it. Ok, so a lot of them jumped into adwords now.:1orglaugh

During blindlinks/rawlikesushi days, I could come in, look over the new signups that came in overnight and term 10, 15 accounts right away. It was just amazing. And then to see them get better.
We're talking a time when most programs still didn't record ips for the clicks. Cheaters would just set up a hitbot and collect checks. These guys were simple to catch. Then we'd compare raw/unique ratio. You run a blindlinks program and a guy has a page with all your links on it but the guy sends 100% unique traffic to you, he gives himself away. That was a give away even after they started spoofing ips.
In our search program it was even easier. Guy would make a ton of money, go to the site and he's just got a blank searchbox yet he'd have 1000 searches on "hot sex" he'd spoof the ip but forget to spoof search terms. Then they got smarter and started using term lists. Of course, we were ahead of them there too. Since we logged searches, we knew what a random search pattern would look like. you could pick out a term list in a seond.

I'm fairly certain I've seen every type of cheating out there except carding (because we never dealt with signups) but I already know all the things I'll be looking for there too. its all a matter of gathering info and picking out the oddity.



sorry, too wordy, I know. here's a pic of two hot men for the trouble of reading this rambley post:
http://www.12clicks.com/12clicks_kjell.jpg

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by modF
Is it true you have a signed picture of a very silly man called Dubya in your office?
Not only that, I have an 8x10 glossy of mojo signed,"you're so gay, love Mojo"
I have to be careful not to let it face any mirrors as it could disrupt the space/time continueum

Loryn 09-13-2006 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JUSTB
Contrary to popular belief I do not believe Ron to be a Republican.....

This could be the longest ambush yet....

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Because of that statement it's guaranteed to be the longest one yet! :winkwink:

Ron asked me to marry him and make little Republican babies but we live on different sides of the country so marriage and family are out of the question. We have to settle for Internet lovin instead! :1orglaugh

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell
I can't wait to read every single word! This is going to be the next best interview to #100 with Sleasy!

Congrats on the Ambush Ron... let's see some fat answers :)

Brad
I shall hold nothing back, including a pic I have of you!:winkwink:
http://www.12clicks.com/bradmitchell_dance.jpg

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyDream

8. What kind of car(s) do you own? pics
I've never been a huge car guy, I did the SL thing for the last 2 summers but now I'm driving a 300 hemi. I also have a Navigator
I know I have pics of the SL somewhere but I don't think I have any of the other 2. who would take pics of an ordinary car?:winkwink:

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:11 PM
yeah, here's the SL. sorry, its all I have.
http://12clicks.com/s1s.jpg

Elli 09-13-2006 03:19 PM
Hooorah! Ron gets an Ambush? I'm glued to my screen!!

I would post a photo but my ftp isn't set up on this station yet..

and I would watch the video, but I haven't found the box with my speakers in it yet...


I have always enjoyed my time with Ron, be it over an incredible dinner at Le Cirque or over drinks at the GFY party.

Elli 09-13-2006 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
I shall hold nothing back, including a pic I have of you!:winkwink:
http://www.12clicks.com/bradmitchell_dance.jpg

Oh dear...

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RAM
I have been waiting for the Story of Big Ron 12 Clicks :thumbsup
did I or did I not teach you everything you knew about blindlinks programs via icq?
hahahaha

yes, ladies and gentleman, before our little porn starlet Ram became famous on film, he ran a little program called cheattraffic.com :winkwink:

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elli
Oh dear...
sorry, Elli. You're only collateral damage:winkwink:

tranza 09-13-2006 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
look at tranza, he's got to pretend that some day long ago he had 15 people agreeing with him. :1orglaugh
Lol. I have that thread bookmarked on my home PC. I'll make sure I bump it when I get home.

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peaches
Those archives exist on a several servers besides the YNOT ones :thumbsup
that would mean several people aren't bright enough to utilize it instead of one.

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tranza
Lol. I have that thread bookmarked on my home PC. I'll make sure I bump it when I get home.
just walk out of your bedroom and grab your "home PC" from your mom.

Nickatilynx 09-13-2006 03:35 PM
Interesting read , no doubt.

Nice seeing pioneers active again. I mean Mojo posting..holy fuck.

Good luck with your new venture :)

12clicks 09-13-2006 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyDream
9. Where did the name rawlikesushi come from? talk about this business.
I honestly don't remember how the name came about, maybe mojo remembers and will post his recollection. I know it involved us brainstorming around the idea of paying for raw traffic but thats it.
Rawlikesushi was an unbelievably successful program. This came on the heels of blindlinks.com which was hugely successful as well. If I remember correctly, we payed 3 cents raw for text links and 4 cents raw for button clicks (highly clickable buttons) The volumes where just amazing and between the two programs, we had just about every webmaster in adult in one or both of them. Sending out checks at the end of the month was a major operation. Between these programs and our mainstream stuff I think we have a small room filled with cancelled checks.

Even though the adult world was much smaller then, it was still a very heady time to control that much traffic, and make good money off of it. Our margins were huge.

Cory W 09-13-2006 03:39 PM
I just laughed so hard....oh man : )

I love your wit Ron.

I am going to have to read the remainder from Europe. Looking forward to it!

Cyndalie 09-13-2006 03:49 PM
How much for ModF?
I have some plans to utilize his assets :)

Brad Mitchell 09-13-2006 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elli
Oh dear...

Hey, at least you could have denied that was you in the photo! My hairline is unfortunately un-mistakeable!

:)

Brad

ravo 09-13-2006 04:35 PM
Wow, is this thread ever a walk down memory lane.

12clicks (unknowingly) got me started in the 'pay-per-click' game.

SleazyDream 09-13-2006 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12clicks
This is the earliest recording of 12clicks in action. Its in our old little office and is me accepting the trophy for winning the office bubble hockey championship. not the secretary handing me a bouqet of roses as well.
http://sictalk.com/expo/trophy.MPG

its worth the click.
why did my spyware alarm go off when I downloaded that?

CDSmith 09-13-2006 05:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SleazyDream
why did my spyware alarm go off when I downloaded that?
Okay that was good.

12clicks 09-13-2006 05:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WEG Cory
What are you going to wear to the Playboy Mansion?
all of my prettiest shirts go with jeans. Its quite a dillema since I was thinking of wearing pants.

12clicks 09-13-2006 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CDSmith
I like to refer to them as "the ugly years"

griffin 09-13-2006 05:26 PM
By my figuring 12clicks owes me a good chunk of money for terminating his program before I was done sending clicks.


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