nice read so far i had dinner at picasso with mojo and ron and the botto boys one of the best dinners I have ever eaten

mann i look good in a party hat

That was the first year sleazy threw a tgp party, and I have to say sponsoring most of them has been one of the best networking and profitable ad spends I have done :)

:)

12clicks what age were you when you got into the online adult industry?

This thread has just the right balance of information, industry history, style, humor, charisma, attempted drama, and large models passed out on couches

Sounds like someone deserves a raise!! lol!

*ducks and hides(

I'll admit, I too lost to one of these "ringers" once. There was a guy in a local bar taking on all comers. He was destroying everyone 8-0, 10-0 etc. No one could beat him. Then people coaxed me to take him on, the game was insane. It ended in a score of 8-6.... I lost. But that "ringer" shook my hand and said that's the closest he's ever come to having just some guy out of the crowd nearly beat him.

I haven't played it in about 10 years now Ron. But I've played the game so much in my life before that, that working those handles is instinctual to me. I would be honored to kick your a... uh, PLAY you win or lose any day. :D

That could probably be because adult isn't my main focus anymore :) For some reason you think I don't make money in adult or any other business. I can tell you I'm making more now that I ever have and and that includes the late glory days where we could all make 6 figures a year while barely working :thumbsup Hell, I probably still make more with adult that most people posting here.

You should know better than anyone, Ron: If you have even a bit of business sense and ambition, working for yourself earns you a lot more money, happiness and satisfaction than being a paid employee - no matter how high up the ladder the title you've given yourself is. I had to find that out the hard way, but at least I learned before I got TOO old :1orglaugh Nothing has passed me by, I've always chosen my own path.

Of course, Ron has somehow found a way that I can collect SSI but he won't share it with me :(

nah, it just seems that way. the women in this business find me harmless and therefore safe to hang with.

size whore.:moon

If I was gay i would bang 12clicks

Another industry myth. I walked into the party with Local G (the guy who actually paid for the party) and grimshawn looks up (way up) and says,"who the fuck are you?"
I reply with,"who the fuck are YOU?"
He says, "I'm the one throwing this party, maybe you should get the fuck out"
I go, "ok" and walk out onto the balcony to drink my beer.
Later, someone whispered in his ear who I was and he came out on the balcony to politely re-introduce himself.

http://www.12clicks.com/12clicks_localG.jpg

If you've got something to say, don't beat around the bush, fuckin' say it!:winkwink:
http://www.12clicks.com/separated_at_birth2.jpg

I remember that! LOL Didn't LocalG show up at your office one day to meet you out of the blue?

you're always welcome at my table.

dude, seriously. Are you not paying attention?:winkwink:

this is one excellent interview...
Ron, thanks for your Vegas hospitality and here's to good business in the future :thumbsup

Harmless?

http://www.spookycash.com/fun/janint...t04jan1760.jpg

http://www.spookycash.com/fun/janint...t04jan1761.jpg

well, first of all, I'm not a republican, I'm a conservative who currently votes republican because they've been the better candidate for a very long time.
Because I'm not a religous person, I have no moral or ethical problem with porn or the people involved in it. duh.

The government will always use the porn industry as a whipping boy for votes because its very easy to be an "anti-porn" candidate and impossible to be a "pro porn" candidate. You've got to pay attention to what the government does and continue to be one step ahead of them.
I've been in this business long enough to know that it doesn't matter whether you've got a republican or a democrat in the white house, they'll both hang porn people if it is politically expedient.
COPA was draw up under clinton, Max Cash was attacked by the FTC under clinton and the boogie man who was ashcroft came and went without almost a whimper.
As with any business, the more adaptable to change you are, the more likely you are to succeed. Worrying about who's running the country is wasted thought.

The new Bruce Wayne?

hahaha
so there!
I told you guys he wasn't a Republican :winkwink:

we never installed spyware. We did however, have a 100% legal, fully disclaimed, adware product.
We ran it pretty much on our own junk traffic and you were the only one who I approached who considered doing it. Did you end up not doing it because you found someone else to do it with or did you just not do it?:winkwink:

Ok, there are resemblances and then there are resemblances....that image is going to freak me out for the rest of the day :1orglaugh

I tried and tired to explain that so many times but it never gets through. All the Porn News Mags point to Rep's as the enemy. If the industry is not careful they are going to vote a Dem in thinking "Yeah we are all safe" and then BAM the Dem really fucks the industry. But oh well, I guess you live and learn the hard way when you have a closed mind.

I think what you're asking is "whats the difference between adware, spyware, installs, and downloads?"

spyware has always been illegal and is a program used to detect passwords, ids, track habits, change ref codes, etc. etc.
adware is much more simple. 99% of all adware just pops a popup advertisement according to the adware's design.

installs and downloads? basically the same although since most "ware" is "updateable" I guess you could call anything after the DL an install.

She looks like she could be your daughter. :1orglaugh

Cute pic though! :thumbsup

This will be a good read. I like Ron.

Terminology is irrelevant. There is a fundamental difference in spyware and adware. however, just as people abused popups, people abused adware to the point the government had to step in. Our 100% legal adware was so innocuous, the surfer never noticed it. as with all things we do, it was done perfectly. Then you had all of the felons who make their living on the edge come in and start wrecking computers. Once that happened, we removed ourselves from that market as our reputation has always been as important to us as money. So yeah, I guess I care.:thumbsup

This is a Gem of an Ambush. Can't wait to bump into you again Big Ron ;-)

hmmmm, I actually don't have pics of my house. I've got a few odd shots and I'll post them but as with cars, I don't feel the need to snap pics.
I had the house build in 2000. its 4800sq feet with an additional 2000 sq feet of fully finished basement. its not a mansion but it has what I need, namely a home office, basement, library, patio for grilling, big kitchen, sunroom, backs to woods, deer in the yard daily. I like it.
now lets see what pics I have (they'll be totally unimpressive)

here's a shot of my library, two walls of books and one wall of mural. its a great room for nappin'
http://www.12clicks.com/library.jpg

here's an odd shot of the patio. it looks better with the cushions out, full of drunk people eating steaks but I don't have a pic of that.:winkwink:
http://www.12clicks.com/patio.jpg

and lastly, here's a shot of our local deer doing their best to eat my freshly seeded back yeard years ago.
http://www.12clicks.com/deer.jpg

ok, I'm out for a while to catch happy hour. I'll hit this again tonight when I'll be a little more, uh.............entertaining.

:winkwink: :1orglaugh :winkwink:

Talk about a before and after shots

http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/curre.../01/z13313.jpg

Very Nice :thumbsup

Snitching little bitch! Woohooo! Now you owe me dinner when you get to LA!

This pic of 12clicks, taken pre-internet, clearly shows he was destined to be in adult...


http://www.thewinnipegpages.com/foru...1115092950.jpg


His present-day return to adult was inevitable.

We want more 12clicks now!!! :thumbsup

ok, ok, I'm back.
2 martinis, and a shared bottle of 1990 Opus One and a 1993 bottle of something I don't remember, here I am

opus 1? are you single? :winkwink:

I don't identify cheaters lightly. I understand your need to proclaim your innocence but I'm never wrong. If I said you cheated, you did. The end. It costs way to much to find legit webmasters. We don't label them as cheaters until we're sure.