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zango is the devil

That's why i tried to make a distinction uppon the cases. Buying ads on Zango is a marketing move and i've done it. Overwriting a cookie with a spyware is another.

The issue still remain for other programs.

I-friend do a part of their marketing by promising lifetime cookies. If an affiliate or I-friends itself overwrite a cookie using a spyware that sucks.

But as quoted, Cams.com and/or AFF.com use URL tracking, not cookies.

Damn Im going to have to call Andy Dunn to decipher this one.
Name some names!

Im not Legendary and I cant figure out the treasure map.
We are all behind you. Im holding a FREE LEGENDARY LARS breakfast benefit tomorrow evening in Atlanta!

Help us fight the enemy that is holding you down!

hahahahah nice

You know Lars, many companies have sued Gator/Claria and WhenU for popping competitor ads on their sites and either won their case or it was settled out of court.

See the part on legislation at the bottom of this page:

http://www.benedelman.org/spyware/

Missie

trust me i know what is going on here, I was going off on a tangent with that post, possibly one that should have been for it's own thread.

Yes when AFF wins the bid for their keywords they will likely be taking traffic that would have either been from themselves or their affiliates. Like you said who else would be gettign credit for the sale when an aff domain is in someone's brower. Either the affiliate sending them or the company if it was from their ads or type in traffic. NOW If AFF does not win the bid on those keywords then sex search will take all the traffic and AFF and it's affiliates will make $0.00 money from that traffic.


So do you take the high road, let Sex Search take your traffic and don't play the adware game, or do you out bid them and well you know what you are doing to you know who when that happens....

"Almost" seems like extortion***, you have to bid against your comeptition for your name sake. Is AFF trademarked ???? ( ***i am not accusing anyone of extortion)



ONE SOLUTION WOULD BE FOR AFF TO BID ON ONLY THEIR KEYWORDS AND THEN NOT TAKE CREDIT FOR THE SALES THEMSELF. Tell ZANGO you want to pop up a blank referral page, or a pop under blank page, or work out some programming where you are protecting your key words but you still allow your affiliates to make the sales. :2 cents:

If your adware advertising represents such a small part of your overall advertising spending, why is it such a dilemma if you take a stance and remove it? Look at the big picture, if you take a hardline stance against questionable adware/spyware, you will gain a new group of affiliates that simply won't work with your competitors. I realize you hate to give other companies any competitive edge in that form of advertising, but the benefit gained in traffic from new affiliates as well as company goodwill would most likely far supersede any sales from adware/spyware.

Stand up, take a stance and call out your competition rather than going with the flow and hoping to fly under the radar.

Oh Im serious Lars. I have much respect for your purple pimp hat!

Dont worry Ill be posting a thread on my board too so that we can all help fight the opression and FREE LEGENDARY LARS!!!

And in light of recent posts in this thread we will be taking additional donations to buy Pete some nice hankies so he can clean up his nose too!

FREE LEGENDARY LARS .... CLEAN UP PETE-KT!!!

Ah, this thread is a great read.

Good job, Lars. You just added your program onto my personal blacklist of programs that I'll never fly an ad for as long as I'm around. There is no legit reason for supporting spam, adware, spyware or any of this other crap, and certainly no excuse for buying your affiliate's traffic on the cheap through the back door. And yeah, its legal. All kinds of unethical things are legal, dosent mean they should be done.

Sometimes, I wonder if there is any money at all left in this whole affiliate/program model. It seems like anymore the affiliate does all the work and the program does everything they can to fuck the affiliate out of thier megar earnings (shaving, slow payments, bankruptcy, the shit described here) and at the end of the day you have done one helluva lot of work to earn a few peanuts.

whats that supposed to mean?

Like if every sponsors should put an investigator on every hit they purchase.

Come on grow up.

Im helping FREE PETE KT's NOSE!!!

Dont worry its on me...gratis!

haha.. this biz is about smoke, mirrors, posturing and fake wealth. if you busted these guys drugging and raping a 10 year old boy, with Osama bin Laden holding the video camera, 3 editors preparing footage for distribution, 3 suitcase nuclear bombs in the room with the rest of the crew standing in the background, screaming "death to infidels" while shooting old people in the face - there would still be no shortage of people saying "hey man, i like them, real standup guys for sure"

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your a crackhead you know that

All I have to say is that this really wouldnt bother me, EXCEPT that I have an exclusitivity contract with AFF that I cant advertise other dating sites. So yes it pretty much pisses me off that these ads can pop up and have the potential of taking a sale from me when I'm not allowed to send a sale away from AFF.

Of course not, but once they know what is going on, continuing to support it (yes, buying is supporting) takes away all plausable deniability.

Aww is that anyway to talk to a guy trying to help you out?

What Lars said, i s that they wont buy there anymore.

Why would you stop sending them some business? They are the second or third that made an official statemnt.

Edit: Re-reading, i'm no t seing it. :Oh crap

You know all that matters to some is whos buying the next round at a show...

me Id rather be a crackhead than a crack kisser.

I can talk anyway I want its a free world isnt it?

Where I live it is.

Must be the good US of A ha ;) anyways goodnight Gonzo

BUt you havent said if you will help us FREE LEGENDARY LARS!!! from the people that are forcing him to do this horrible things...

or were you just working a traffic angle?

in all seriousness.... i can sympathize with all of this. i used to rob banks because other people were robbing banks. i was forced into it. well, some people called it "armed robbery". i called it "agressive withdrawal in a pre-emptive measure to protect my financial position".

I will now take this oportune moment to pull all aff and related links and halt all promotions. Thank you for clearing that up. :2 cents:

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Lars can i buy your sig for a month?

That would cost a lot :) For like $50K you can buy my sig but I have tyo approve of the ad :)

Name a price.

he already did

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Sergy or Larry can you please ICQ me about my adwords account

And how much for the sig? I mean not for yo to approve it first?

sorry my icq was already answered now you have to wait till monday

I actually did hit him up on ICQ and a funny story I used to deal with David Filo of yahoo to get my submissions listed there :) in 1994 on akebono.stanford.edu for those of you who dont know that was yahoo before they got yahoo.com

Like I said $50,000 paid up front and I get to approve the ad.

I'm asking,,, how much for you not to approve it first. "Carte blanche"

Wouldnt do it ok ok for like 10 million I might but no one would pay that so its a moot point

I KNEW IT!!!
Those fuckers from Yahoo are responsible!

Lars you should have never trusted them just because they had a cool mailing list with all the great sites on the cyberweb!

How can we get back at them? We have to FREE you from Adware!

Nice i just pulled my aff links and cams.com links and switched to dating gold. So i click a link on my site and sure enough look at this shit. Now i cant even send traffic to datinggold now :mad: Click the pic twice...........

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/6486/targetedef6.jpg