what he said..

Can't some of you fuckers face the facts that the majority of humanity just wants to live and strives to be content and happy in their own little world, and that the majority of humanity is controlled by small groups of people who have their own agenda?

From what I can tell (which isn't much), North Korea's a grey shithole with a few million regular people under a regiem that tries to keep some sort of stability in it's fucked up infastructure by building nukes, testing them and showing the world they're really not a shit hole. The same goes for Iran.

The question is, how do you deal with a large population that's been brainwashed with a mentality that's so far removed from being able to exist in a global population; a mentality, in some cases, that sees all "others" who don't have that same mentality as "enemies" and thus should be destroyed? Fuck... I have no idea. It's like asking "How do you prosecute a suicide bomber?"

And yes, my post is totally off topic from the "Will NK start WWIII". Apologies for it. I think, what we're seeing these days is different from conventional world wars. Some groups of populace are starting / in the midst of their own "reformation" and because we're already in a global community, the evolutionary steps of some cultures these days bleed into the lives of those further along the ladder. And those further along ( i.e. US ) who try and force their whims on those populaces, for whatever reason, aren't helping.

Nope. I'd rather just consider it as an upcoming regional crisis.

Have you gone stark raving mad?? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

It is clear you don't have the ability to conduct a rational debate without folks "hating America" bullshit and how "my hands are clean". That hoss don't run anymore - try another excuse. Is this your attempt at attack or diversion yet again?

For a guy boasting about visiting many other nations - you sure as hell don't appear to have learned much. Quit assuming answers to questions/issues that were never mentioned.

Fuck.. you are sad - get a grip man.




PS The management of other countries are not the biz of the US, but agree they are open to criticism. Get your own human rights back then you can talk.

I don't know if I'd dig it if you two got along or continued having arguments because I enjoy both of your posts. So, for the sake of my post, I'll stick with I dig you both having dissimilar opinions and my enjoyment at reading both.

Thanks kids.

again... i never insisted that the USA is right about anything. and whether you like it or not, all you and directfiesta do is bash the US. ever say anything positive? huh? geez... 300,000,000 people and nothing good ever happened here? no good people? no good things? weird.

I dont think the US is the shining beacon of truth and justice in the world. i have never said anything like that. i dont really have any strong opinions about this country at all and stongly prefer living Europe to the US. You keep making these remarks based on the wrong assumption that i am all about "us against them". I'm not. i am tired of listening to stupid arguments from you, showing 1 small facet of a complex, multi-sided argument that end with same punchline every single time - "the US sucks"-WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

If all i did was post everyday that your home country was nothing but a bunch of useless cunts, you would no doubt find it irritating after a while. if my every response (as yours is) was a weak argument to try to prove that they are in fact, cunts... you might find that quite annoying as well.

again... you couldn't stop yourself from ending a post about N Korea without taking a jab at the US. MY POINT was simply that the US has NOTHING TO DO WITH N KOREA being what it is. N Korea was a basket case pulling the same bullshit during Clinton... and before, when communists decided to lash out and rampage across the peninsula spreading the dream of equality and freedom from village to village with AK-47's, RPGs and flame throwers.

Try to get this through your thick hippy skull. I dont give a fuck about the US. I dont think the US is right about anything. unlike you, i understand that there are many sides to every argument. This is what your tunnel vision of ignorance won't allow you to read everytime i post it. I am not defending the US or the US position on ANYTHING. I dont fucking care. i am just talking about your dumb, over simplification of complex arguments and analysis of everything wrong on the world that always have the same common answer to "whats wrong" - Bush/US.



now basically you are reduced to being an apologist for a rogue, stalinist regime who spits in the face of the international community and its few would be allies and threatens the world with nuclear war if they won't send money and food, just so you can take another jab.

and you think i need to get a grip?

wow.

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NK don't want or need a war which they would eventually lose. The problem is in South Korea - they really don't want any changes in the north because they are not ready to support financially several million hungry North Koreans.

yeah preety posible

Interesting view you have there :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Excuse the removal of most of your post - it has nothing to do with much.

What exactly do you keep trolling on about? What is your point? Constantly making assumptions (not only about me) and feeding yourself with possible reasons for "attack" is not even a valid debate - it's a rabble in your head.

Now I'm an "apologist for a rogue, stalinist regime"? Really?? :winkwink: I've never been called that before - you must be struggling with some assumption to reach that conclusion - but wrong as usual.

Obviously you seriously need to get a grip and quit talking bullshit and assumping more than ever was said or happened. Try it sometime - it's healthy :thumbsup

you accuse me of assuming all these things. all i have done is commented on your continued behavior. you again keep trying to say that my position is "X" - in your last post "reasons to attack" [n korea] - which is not anything that i ever mentioned or tried to defend or suggest we do. in fact, i have always said the opposite.. that its absolutely, 100% unnecessary since they don't represent a direct threat to the US and there are no interests to protect in N. Korea... and since you missed it and apparently comprehension is not your strong point, i have been talking about YOU.

what you can't address is the fact that there is a problem there, because a real discussion of the issues and facts can only detract from your constant "you live in a country of idiots, ran by an idiot" banter and its just to hard for you to tie in the cold hard facts on the ground, the history and the history on the problem to your little hate war without highlighting the shortsightedness of your own views. even though you deny it, there is a real problem there. but its not a US problem. since you always have your finger on the trigger for your "one size fits all" cause for all things bad on the planet -> Bush/USA.... you safely exempt yourself by default from any real consideration, thought and debate of the complexities of the matter and what solutions might defuse the situation, since you start the discussion with an answer... rather than working through the questions to a conclusion.

50..........

Screw this bullshit - I'm going to answer you briefly - despite it's another dialog hitting all over the place :pimp

I accuse you of nothing other than the fact that you constantly make assumptions - that is clear to see from your previous posts.

Correct - I do have my finger on the trigger - and it will remain there on any subject, whether that is re the US or any other nation.

I am fully accquainted with background and history thanks.

Correct - you have been talking about me - and not about the subject of the thread. I have no problem with comprehension, thanks - that's your assumption.

I have not made any claims of "you live in a country of idiots, ran by an idiot". Once more - your assumption - and very typical of the stereotype response expected.

Instead of whining about "US haters" and moaning about others - perhaps it may be a clue to address the issues as you suggest above. Part of these issues do involved the current US admin and policy - that was never, ever under question. If any part of a discussion does hit upon US action, (which is often inevitable given the current state), I'll state this very clearly in the same way other elements are stated. This is called freedom of speech - something you have in your Constitution - and others also have this freedom.

Apologies if you feel the US is the constant subject of comment/criticism on occasion. The reason for that is more than evident and not my or your responsibility. Other parties created a situation where the US may be the talking point of many nations - I am not responsible for the actions and policies of your government and the only level to which you may be responsible is in the election of your government.

There is nothing inappropriate when discussing government or political issues - and it matters little to me what nation is the point of discussion. Ruffling finer sensibilities is part of the course - and the US has no exclusive to be excluded from debate.

It is also offensive that you even dream that others should not comment on your government's actions and, where warranted, with valid criticism. Any nation which condones torture, inhibits their citizens from due legal process, invades other nations under false claims and in the processing killing tens of thousands, is open to criticism. Sure, your nation is not alone, - North Korea meets the same criteria and is in the same boat, but that is not an excuse. If you don't like criticism - elect those who will not operate a rogue state, but elevate it to the level of a civilized country.

i never said i care about criticism. i am saying thats all you do. you criticise. you attack. you do so without rest,... attacking ONLY one country, one government, one leader and one people. you desperately grasp at any chance to do so. you continually insult 300,000,000 people for the behaviors and attitudes (real or percieved) of a few. only 26% of registered voters voted for bush and you are even too naive and blinded by your own ignorance and insecurities to recognize that you primarily insult those in the US who wholeheartedly agree with you and your views.

you're a child. you not only do nothing but sling insults (using the thin veil of "criticism") but you hunt and dig and troll for any opportunity to do so. thats what you and directfiesta do. play naive and innocent all you want. pretend there isn't a fairly consistent pattern of behavior if thats what you need to do to prevent your own world view from being torn down and replaced by reality. you are entitled to an opinion and to criticise, but you guys go far beyond that. you are on a mission... and from time to time i stop... i look at my friends, my family and our lives and think "these guys hate you and you the sad irony is that you would go to the ends of the earth to help this person if this person needed help"

comment and criticism is one thing

constant, mindless and even reflexive attacks that do everything but address the issues or pretend they are unique to the US is another. thats not criticism. thats not debate. thats not discussion. that is quite simply, nothing more than immaturity.

You are entitled to your opinion :pimp


You have your opinion - It's wrong :pimp

If you think that - youre mad. The word "hate" is not even on the table - it's in your head. What planet are you on? Criticism of the actions/policies of your govt has nothing to do with individuals or assisting them.


Again.. your opinion, tho agree, - many issues are not the exclusive of the US.

Overall - you are entitled to your opinion - and you have expressed this. I won't be responding to the immature attempts at insults - I prefer a higher level of comment.

End of subject - have a nice day :thumbsup

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