Rule #1

DO NOT snap pictures as we drive by the UNITED NATIONS lolllll

you mean like how when I send email to my customers and they are using a service like google email that insterts my competions links right into my email the one that I have a relationship with ? I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. The surfer has downloaded and accepted to get ads for use of software, you and I might think why would someone do that, I would not do that. Well I would not buy porn on the internet but I sure am glad somebody does.

ok,... let me get this straight... window pops up on surfer, he doesn't close it... he clicks a link, joins the site from the popup and the webmaster who sent that surfer to YOU gets zero credit for the sale correct?

wrong?

ohh... its a small % of traffic which makes stealing totally acceptable.

sagi, fred, and sarah will be there

hahhahahahah that episode was so funny just emtioning it makes me laugh so hard.

Yea just simply uninstall this fine program. :helpme

http://adwaresucks.com/zango/

I don't think you've managed to divert the course of the thread. Your PR skills ain't what they used to be.

This is funnier:

ATTENTION GFY - LEGENDARY LARS IS CALLING YOU ALL C*NTS

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You can call it "freedom of choice" all you want, but if your affiliate hadn't sent that person, you wouldn't have made a sale. Also, most of the people using Zango are idiots and have no idea what it is, what it does or how to remove it. Have you ever done tech support for a company? I have, and even the simplest things people don't understand.

What part of this don't you get?

I have highlighted the important bits for you.....

If the "popup traffic" that you purchase from zango and whatever other "adware" programs is so minimal why not just drop it and make your affiliates happy? With all the zango drama right now if AFF took a stance against zango I think it would get more recognition than another "we are raising payouts" promotion.

Check your math.

0.5% of traffic doesn't equal a 0.5% increase in payouts.

Unless you have changed your practices within the last couple weeks, that is not true.

As far as I remember the story from the other thread it was an affiliate who was doing this and he has been canned.

with free email providers you get the benefit of being able to send and recieve emails without any cost to you. what benefit do the people who install the zango toolbar get?

the surfer has agreed sure, and thats why people can get away with it but you know damn well people don't read terms, be it surfers or webmasters signing up to a program. like i said, i haven't installed these things but i have been promted to many times, by many other companies than just zango and the yes/no panel looks just like it would when agreeing to download flash or a codec.

The MySpace under my name does not refer to the myspace site at all, it means I live in my space of the world. As far a shill goes I've had this name since the conception of gfy and it has a very clear meaning www.speakeasy.net/speedtest <<<Pretty cool tool if you want to take a test drive:winkwink: Now as far as an axe to grind, I beg to differ. I don't do any biz with you nor would I ever, you have openly admitted to being a cheat and a thief yet you are in denial to yourself. You also tell people that you will pay them more than any other sponsor, yet at the same time you are screwing all your affiliates out of their hard earned work and money. It is simply amazing that there are still some sheep that will follow you through the fields of deception, which means your unethical business practices and pure spewed bull shit is somewhat believable to a few sheep. Oh well continue with your charades, what goes around, comes around in the end.:)

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Wow, just wow. If you insulting all your affiliates earlier wasn't bad enough, this one takes the cake.

So you only use spyware/adware to steal traffic from other dating sites?

If AFF want to stay on top - which of course benefits everyone - then they need a level playing field.....


Why should there be one rule for AFF and one for the other programs?

best backfiring thread. ever.

It's okay to rob people, as long as the competition is doing it too. Gotcha.

As there are no laws to protect AFF in these situations then they have to protect themselves.

If someone came to your house and took your TV and the police wouldn't do anything about it, wouldn't you be justified in taking it back yourself - or do think that would be "stealing" it back?

is anyone shocked by this?

these are the guys that allow traffic from password trading sites, warez sites, anything and everything.

if you go to basically any shady site on the internet that has banners, they're ALL for AFF.

well i guess for affiliates to compete then we better all start bidding on keywords with zango and other adware companies.

loll thank you idiot... let me guess now... Lars hired me to divert peoples attention? Jesus sheep and idiots here nothing more nothing less...

Any company doing business with Zango (or any other spyware company) deserves to be exposed for the bunch of thieves they are.

The thing is that the traffic isn't theirs yet. It belongs to the affiliate that worked hard to get it. Affiliates shouldn't have to take a hit because sponsors are fighting amongst themselves.

my issue isnt with the fact that they were bidding on the words. i completely see their reasoning behind that, as a business.

i dont, however, like being called sheep when the company gets called out on it. the people bitching have EVERY RIGHT to be upset, and are actually the exact opposite of sheep.

keeping with the barnyard theme....if the affiliates on this forum are sheep, lars' job is to be the shepherd. to guide them in the direction that his company wants them to go (continue to send AFF traffic). that's all he's doing here, he just has the nerve to actually come out and call everyone sheep.

he's just doing damage control because they got caught and issued a horrible public stance on the whole situation. the sad part is that, if anyone has the resources to fight these people, it's someone the size of AFF. rather than stand up for its affiliates and do what it can, it bends to zango and gives a generic apology to its affiliates.

thats just sad.

There are no ez solutions - and thats why everyone is so pissed off.

I do however think it is unfair to lay the blame solely at AFF's feet - they are just playing the game the same as everyone else. Kill or be killed.

For once I agree with you. This is not just AFF. It is all the sponsors supporting spyware and browser hijackers.

In this thread, Lars just happened to be in the mood to insult and piss on affiliates in regards to spyware. That is why he is being focussed on again.

sure but its the affiliate who is really getting slaughted from both sides. i'd like to see a lot more threads of people going after sex search and other companies who are buying as well. someone should install the most popular scumware apps and see what comes up, make a list and publish it on gfy.

the solution is to make zango an unprofitable business method. the only way i can see that happening is by not giving them any pages to pop from. like i said before, we need major mainstream and adult sites to block all traffic that has zango and all the other popular adware apps installed, people buying words will see results dwindle and hopefully will be forced to stop buying from them.

the best threads ever by a sponsor.

- they jack your traffic and are unapologetic about it.
- they tell you that you are just too dumb to understand anything anyway
- then its capped off with remarks that basically say "hey man, we do it.. so what? netflix does it. and we pay out more than anyone else so as long as you work with us and no one else, you will benefit" (which is pretty much a vailed threat of extortion)



what ever happened to the good old days where sponsors stole, got busted and just denied it and dissapeared until the dust settled? what ever happened to the ever popular "it was a rogue employee" defense?

times are a changin'
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The same double-talk as that response it took you a week to get around to... now "sheep" apparently applies to anyone who is p*ssed that you might not only divert (or allow to be diverted) traffic they try to send to other sponsors, but even the traffic they intend for you.

Call it theft. Don't call it theft. Please yourself, because the result is the same: it's a scam and it is pathetic that someone in your position wants anything to do with it. If that makes me a sheep, I couldn't care less.

Right.... If you want to talk about sheep. Maybe you should talk to the people that actually believe your BS.

You even admitted that you buy traffic from ad-ware companies which was blatantly pointed out to you that these companies are causing theft of sales from affiliates. You seem to see no wrong with it because isn't illegal "yet".

You even went as far as to say you will continue to to buy traffic from them and fucking your affiliates.. Because "you're forced to.

Yea yea go ahead and toss some money around and throw a big party.. because to the real sheep you're a stand up guy. I say go fuck your self and the horse you rode in on.

Wow this thread is amazing. Lars rips off the entire adult community and tries to justify his actions by saying he pays more than all the other sponsors.?:disgust Then some affiliates buy his crap and line up like good little sheep to follow their mentor...hahahaha Only on gfy would you find this caliber of entertainment.:1orglaugh

So AFF won't mind if I start bidding on their URL? This "all's fair" approach is a double-edged sword, you know.

Lars' approach is that it's okay to bid on Zango because it's only 0.5% of traffic, and he makes up for it in higher payouts.

I don't promote AFF or Cams.com. I do promote other sponsors though. Ones he might be bidding on. So is he going to send me higher payouts for them, too?

No, he's not. So I should just start bidding on HIS URL's to even things out.

After all, it's only 0.5%. :thumbsup

the govt runs in the same manner.. guess the adult community is de-evolving :Oh crap

Most people don't want anyone bidding on anything - thats the point.

LOL, That's what I'm talking about :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Does Lars get you out of the cupboard and wind you up every time he needs a tame poster?

SPIN #1: unfair to lay the blame solely at AFF's feet
No-one is laying the blame solely at AFF's feet: don't forget cams.com too, along with several others who have been similarly "caught". Come to that, Smokey started a new thread today and if memory serves, neither the title nor his original post even mention Lars' businesses.

Anyway, do you seriously expect balance on a board which Lars often uses as his personal "marketing" tool, particularly since he now also uses it to post a blatant "GFY" to everyone here... you included by the way, assuming you send any traffic to dating or cams sites.

SPIN #2: they are just playing the game the same as everyone else
Everyone else is not playing this "game", even if you are foolish enough to think this is a game. It's the same sponsors who are always close by when anything smells bad and plenty have come out and said they do not support these activities, nor will tolerate them from their affiliates.

I may reserve judgement on just how active some will be in tracking down offenders, but the message at least is diametrically opposed to what Lars finally got his thumb out of his ass to deliver.