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elasticatedman 10-25-2006 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by germ (Post 11152841)
my issue isnt with the fact that they were bidding on the words. i completely see their reasoning behind that, as a business.

i dont, however, like being called sheep when the company gets called out on it. the people bitching have EVERY RIGHT to be upset, and are actually the exact opposite of sheep.

keeping with the barnyard theme....if the affiliates on this forum are sheep, lars' job is to be the shepherd. to guide them in the direction that his company wants them to go (continue to send AFF traffic). that's all he's doing here, he just has the nerve to actually come out and call everyone sheep.

he's just doing damage control because they got caught and issued a horrible public stance on the whole situation. the sad part is that, if anyone has the resources to fight these people, it's someone the size of AFF. rather than stand up for its affiliates and do what it can, it bends to zango and gives a generic apology to its affiliates.

thats just sad.

There's more than a germ of truth in what you say :thumbsup

Damian_Maxcash 10-25-2006 12:01 PM

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Does Lars get you out of the cupboard and wind you up every time he needs a tame poster?
No, I post for the same reasons as you, to put my point of view across.....

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SPIN #1: unfair to lay the blame solely at AFF's feet
No-one is laying the blame solely at AFF's feet: don't forget cams.com too, along with several others who have been similarly "caught". Come to that, Smokey started a new thread today and if memory serves, neither the title nor his original post even mention Lars' businesses.

Anyway, do you seriously expect balance on a board which Lars often uses as his personal "marketing" tool, particularly since he now also uses it to post a blatant "GFY" to everyone here... you included by the way, assuming you send any traffic to dating or cams sites.
The majority of the 'drama' has been centered around AFF/Cams.com/Lars - why? because he was the one who came to the board and told the truth (whether you agree with him or not). The other programs that should have done the same didn't - So Lars made himself a target... Foolish? Maybe, maybe not.


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SPIN #2: they are just playing the game the same as everyone else
Everyone else is not playing this "game", even if you are foolish enough to think this is a game. It's the same sponsors who are always close by when anything smells bad and plenty have come out and said they do not support these activities, nor will tolerate them from their affiliates.

I may reserve judgement on just how active some will be in tracking down offenders, but the message at least is diametrically opposed to what Lars finally got his thumb out of his ass to deliver.
Be under no illusions this IS a game.

Business is done person to person - what happens here is 100% game playing.

Penthouse Tony 10-25-2006 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 11152253)
Rule #1

DO NOT snap pictures as we drive by the UNITED NATIONS lolllll

Umm I think Rule #1 is fall asleep before Juicy can cuz once he starts snoring you can kiss getting a good night's sleep goodbye.

germ 10-25-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by elasticatedman (Post 11153242)
There's more than a germ of truth in what you say :thumbsup

haha what a horrible joke.

luckily im a fan of bad jokes. :1orglaugh

OG LennyT 10-25-2006 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by germ
my issue isnt with the fact that they were bidding on the words. i completely see their reasoning behind that, as a business.

i dont, however, like being called sheep when the company gets called out on it. the people bitching have EVERY RIGHT to be upset, and are actually the exact opposite of sheep.

keeping with the barnyard theme....if the affiliates on this forum are sheep, lars' job is to be the shepherd. to guide them in the direction that his company wants them to go (continue to send AFF traffic). that's all he's doing here, he just has the nerve to actually come out and call everyone sheep.

he's just doing damage control because they got caught and issued a horrible public stance on the whole situation. the sad part is that, if anyone has the resources to fight these people, it's someone the size of AFF. rather than stand up for its affiliates and do what it can, it bends to zango and gives a generic apology to its affiliates.

thats just sad.
great post, very accurate

jayeff 10-25-2006 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001 (Post 11153315)
I post for the same reasons as you, to put my point of view across...

Not quite. I am an affiliate and I'm getting ripped off, so my point of view is entirely predictable. You however present yourself as an affiliate, yet your sole purpose appears to be to pop up and defend the very sponsor who appears, whether directly or indirectly, to be most deeply involved in this issue. Such an obvious paradox inevitably makes one question exactly whose point of view you are putting across.

Until you are honest about your motives for posting as you do, you have nothing worth reading.

Damian_Maxcash 10-25-2006 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jayeff (Post 11153433)
Not quite. I am an affiliate and I'm getting ripped off, so my point of view is entirely predictable. You however present yourself as an affiliate, yet your sole purpose appears to be to pop up and defend the very sponsor who appears, whether directly or indirectly, to be most deeply involved in this issue. Such an obvious paradox inevitably makes one question exactly whose point of view you are putting across.

Until you are honest about your motives for posting as you do, you have nothing worth reading.

My opinion differs from yours - its as simple as that.

That post has to be one of the most arrogant piles of bullshit I have ever heard. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

mortenb 10-25-2006 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by damian2001 (Post 11153315)
The majority of the 'drama' has been centered around AFF/Cams.com/Lars - why? because he was the one who came to the board and told the truth (whether you agree with him or not). The other programs that should have done the same didn't - So Lars made himself a target... Foolish? Maybe, maybe not.

You can believe what you want, but I for one doesn't believe even for a second that Lars would have come forward if AFF hadn't already been outed by Zango. And when he finally did reply, all he said was that they indeed were/are stealing from affiliate marketers and that that isn't about to stop.

TrafficHog 10-25-2006 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by studiocritic (Post 11153073)
So AFF won't mind if I start bidding on their URL? This "all's fair" approach is a double-edged sword, you know.

Lars' approach is that it's okay to bid on Zango because it's only 0.5% of traffic, and he makes up for it in higher payouts.

I don't promote AFF or Cams.com. I do promote other sponsors though. Ones he might be bidding on. So is he going to send me higher payouts for them, too?

No, he's not. So I should just start bidding on HIS URL's to even things out.

After all, it's only 0.5%. :thumbsup


It's less than 0.5%. Factor in that only about 10%, if that, actually click on the pop up and NOT close it. So given those numbers we are talking about 0.05%. Now let's factor in the amount of traffic let's say an average affiliate sends to the total traffic. Probably less than 1%. So that number comes close to 0.0005%. So if you are making $500/year you might lose 25 cents for that year!! If these numbers don't look right please discuss them.

JD 10-25-2006 12:59 PM

3) Lars thinks we're all idiots

mortenb 10-25-2006 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11153769)
It's less than 0.5%. Factor in that only about 10%, if that, actually click on the pop up and NOT close it. So given those numbers we are talking about 0.05%. Now let's factor in the amount of traffic let's say an average affiliate sends to the total traffic. Probably less than 1%. So that number comes close to 0.0005%. So if you are making $500/year you might lose 25 cents for that year!! If these numbers don't look right please discuss them.

Try thinking about it this way.. The same surfers that don't know how to remove spyware or close popups are the same surfers that don't know how to get free porn online. They are probably much much much more likely to buy.

XPays 10-25-2006 01:01 PM

can somebody with an infected zango setup on their computer please type in "hotelheiress.com" and "the paris hilton sex video" into their zango infected system and send over some screencap's of what zango potentially pops over us? thanks in advance...

Evil1 10-25-2006 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11153769)
So if you are making $500/year you might lose 25 cents for that year!!

Hey, can I break into your house if I promise to only take something inexpensive?

HouseHead 10-25-2006 01:04 PM

Im already pimping you

jonesy 10-25-2006 01:09 PM

sexy is as sexy does

Lazonby 10-25-2006 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 11152750)
loll thank you idiot... let me guess now... Lars hired me to divert peoples attention? Jesus sheep and idiots here nothing more nothing less...

Earlier on you made a thread about the shady practices of program owners, then you come into this thread trying to distract attention from the shady practice of a program owner. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Anyway, you haven't quite got the PR pull you once had. That spat you had with Ramos had him come off better, as wrong as that might be.

GonZo 10-25-2006 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11152967)
the best threads ever by a sponsor.

- they jack your traffic and are unapologetic about it.
- they tell you that you are just too dumb to understand anything anyway
- then its capped off with remarks that basically say "hey man, we do it.. so what? netflix does it. and we pay out more than anyone else so as long as you work with us and no one else, you will benefit" (which is pretty much a vailed threat of extortion)



what ever happened to the good old days where sponsors stole, got busted and just denied it and dissapeared until the dust settled? what ever happened to the ever popular "it was a rogue employee" defense?

times are a changin'
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh


That fucking liar and thief European Lee still hides old school!

TrafficHog 10-25-2006 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 11153786)
Try thinking about it this way.. The same surfers that don't know how to remove spyware or close popups are the same surfers that don't know how to get free porn online. They are probably much much much more likely to buy.

True. There is a VERY Bold statement at the bottom of the pop ups that tell you where they are coming from and how to remove them. But do you mean they are more likely to click the pop up? I would assume you would get less than 10% of the popups actually clicked on bringing you close to the numbers I posted above.

TrafficHog 10-25-2006 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil1 (Post 11153832)
Hey, can I break into your house if I promise to only take something inexpensive?

Well, if you are as dumb enough to not know how to uninstall zango when it clearly states it on the popup it would be more like you leaving your door open with all your possesions on your sidewalk and I walk by and take 2 pennys out of your penny jar ;)

mortenb 10-25-2006 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11153964)
Well, if you are as dumb enough to not know how to uninstall zango when it clearly states it on the popup it would be more like you leaving your door open with all your possesions on your sidewalk and I walk by and take 2 pennys out of your penny jar ;)

I'm not so sure you can believe Zango when they tell you that the program will be uninstalled using their uninstall procedures. I've heard numerous stories about it being nearly impossible to remove when it has been installed for a while..
GG & Jim has set up this page to help users remove it :http://adwaresucks.com/zango/
Sure most of us could follow those instructions, but what about the surfer that just got his first 'puter at Walmart and doesn't know anything about computers at all.. All that surfer want is to pay for porn and I want to be the one to sell it to him. G'dammit..

TrafficHog 10-25-2006 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mortenb (Post 11154178)
I'm not so sure you can believe Zango when they tell you that the program will be uninstalled using their uninstall procedures. I've heard numerous stories about it being nearly impossible to remove when it has been installed for a while..
GG & Jim has set up this page to help users remove it
Sure most of us could follow those instructions, but what about the surfer that just got his first 'puter at Walmart and doesn't know anything about computers at all.. All that surfer want is to pay for porn and I want to be the one to sell it to him. G'dammit..

The popup has a link to instructions to uninstall. The process tells you to go to add/remove programs and click uninstall Zango. That's it. Now Zango is a BIG adware company under a TON of scrutany. They have had their days in court. They follow the law and I am sure they don't leave anything hidden behind after an uninstall. People should be concerned about the malicious spyware out there. Zango is doesn't even come close to the bad that's out there.

marketsmart 10-25-2006 02:08 PM

everything said on gfy is true!

Sean 10-25-2006 02:35 PM

my favorite thing right now....

becuase of so much attention... so many people....
look at the traffic and signups that have gone thru
the roof. so, everyone, pat yourself on the back...
their traffic has DOUBLED from new programs signing
up with them

http://dyslexic96er.com/gfy/zango.jpg

TrafficHog 10-25-2006 02:55 PM

[QUOTE=Irish Pimp;11154453]my favorite thing right now....

becuase of so much attention... so many people....
look at the traffic and signups that have gone thru
the roof. so, everyone, pat yourself on the back...
their traffic has DOUBLED from new programs signing
up with them



Crazy stuff!
Congratulations Will76! ;)

Myst 10-25-2006 02:56 PM

yadda yadda yadda
all my links to aff are gone

mortenb 10-25-2006 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst (Post 11154613)
yadda yadda yadda
all my links to aff are gone

I'm still working on it.. Trying to find all the places I have hardcoded the links.. I'll never make that mistake again :-)

u-Bob 10-25-2006 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish Pimp (Post 11154453)
my favorite thing right now....

becuase of so much attention... so many people....
look at the traffic and signups that have gone thru
the roof. so, everyone, pat yourself on the back...
their traffic has DOUBLED from new programs signing
up with them

http://dyslexic96er.com/gfy/zango.jpg

Every webmaster with a clue knows those stats are distorted due to the number of webmasters that have the alexa toolbar installed..............

TheSwed 10-25-2006 03:15 PM

[QUOTE=Irish Pimp;11154453]my favorite thing right now....

becuase of so much attention... so many people....
look at the traffic and signups that have gone thru
the roof. so, everyone, pat yourself on the back...
their traffic has DOUBLED from new programs signing
up with them

It dont looks like that for me :)

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=640...=zango.com/&u=

jayeff 10-25-2006 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11154609)
becuase of so much attention... so many people... look at the traffic and signups that have gone thru
the roof.

Alexa shows signups now? Amazing technology they have...

BTW have you noticed that you and the other morons who want us to pretend that those associated with scumware aren't thieves, have been doing a wonderful job of keeping some of these threads alive?

Juicy D. Links 10-25-2006 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lazonby (Post 11153902)
Earlier on you made a thread about the shady practices of program owners, then you come into this thread trying to distract attention from the shady practice of a program owner. Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Anyway, you haven't quite got the PR pull you once had. That spat you had with Ramos had him come off better, as wrong as that might be.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

bahhh bahhh bahhhhhh tsk tsk simpleton... you are merely a dot in the big picture .... I see you are a Ramos sympathezer, funny how the scum of this biz seem to flock to each other ? Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm

TrafficHog 10-25-2006 04:37 PM

[QUOTE=TheSwed;11154734]
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Originally Posted by Irish Pimp (Post 11154453)
my favorite thing right now....

becuase of so much attention... so many people....
look at the traffic and signups that have gone thru
the roof. so, everyone, pat yourself on the back...
their traffic has DOUBLED from new programs signing
up with them

It dont looks like that for me :)

zango.com is not suppose to increase like zangocash.com does.

TrafficHog 10-25-2006 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish Pimp (Post 11154453)
my favorite thing right now....

becuase of so much attention... so many people....
look at the traffic and signups that have gone thru
the roof. so, everyone, pat yourself on the back...
their traffic has DOUBLED from new programs signing
up with them

Here is the funniest thing. hornymatches.com is the number #1 bidder on aff and a lot of other big dating sites. Go look at their alexa graph. It looks exactly like the zangocash.com one ;)

Damn, this was some great marketing PR done by Will76. That's a lot of exposure.

will76 10-25-2006 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11151561)
Also thanks for proving my point, we dont steal anything from anyone, but we do pay more than anyone else for traffic and so thats why the traffic all comes to us ! You can hate all you want but money talks and hate walks.

I know AFF prefers to call it "occasional colusions with affiliates" or something to that affect.

So what do you call it when someone who is promoting AFF has a surfer with zango on his computer click the link on their site that goes to AFF, and an AFF page pops up over the AFF affiliates page. What in the hell do you call that?

What do you call it when I am promoting ifriends and someone with zango on their pc clicks the link on MY FUCKING WEBSITE and AFF shit pops up over my ifriends page. YOu are not stealing??? what are you doing, borrowing my fucking traffic ?

I can't believe you are going to make comments like this and stupid threads like this.

We are all sheep, you the man, do what you want to do, we are retards if we can't see it your way, oh and here is the change in my pocket thank you kind sir I will carry on now.

will76 10-25-2006 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11151721)
really Where Exactly Did I Lie ?

Or are you just anoher shill gfy account who is someone witha personal axe to grind and find this an easy bandwagon to jump aboard ?


By the way your profile says Myspace in it did you know that the biggest installer of adware is Myspace. This is where the Think people Think comes in to play. if you do not like Adware you must stop using Google and Yahoo and myspace, plus Cingular phones and dell computers and netflix, because they all advertise on adware.


If you think Zango is "adware" then you are the biggest sheep of all believing zango's shit. I guess 1/2 the people who have zango on their pcs that say they don't know how it got there must have " added it " intentionally.

will76 10-25-2006 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11151769)
http://lippard.blogspot.com/2006/03/...e-netflix.html

Stop using netflix immediately and any travel site on the internet.

oh i get it...

We are sheep because you were singled out for using "adware" but a lot of other sites were not.

So you are basically saying, why stop using me because everyone else is doing it. Or if you are not going to stop using them, then would you stop using me?

Since netflix doesn't post here and i doubt anyone advertises for them, what would be the point for us to bash netflix or any travel site ?

You however post here, your company runs serveral contest and advertisements here, and a lot of people here promote you company. And you are in adult, which all of us are. So it is only logical you will receive more heat HERE then netflix and travel sites would receive HERE.

baaaaah!

webgurl 10-25-2006 05:12 PM

Did I hear Sheep ???

http://www.pointernet.pds.hu/kutya/b...collie_102.jpg

BlackCrayon 10-25-2006 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11153769)
It's less than 0.5%. Factor in that only about 10%, if that, actually click on the pop up and NOT close it. So given those numbers we are talking about 0.05%. Now let's factor in the amount of traffic let's say an average affiliate sends to the total traffic. Probably less than 1%. So that number comes close to 0.0005%. So if you are making $500/year you might lose 25 cents for that year!! If these numbers don't look right please discuss them.

if its such a small percentage how is zango making millions per year? and why are program owners unwilling to give up the supposidly small income stream despite the bad name being affiliated with such a company gives them? it just doesn't add up.

Tempest 10-25-2006 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11151311)
The level of sheep and heard mentality on this board is AMAZING.


Think People Think !

Congrats.. You've now become pimpdog..

will76 10-25-2006 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11151866)
But the good news is record payouts are on the way to our loyal affilaites who are rewarded for sending us traffic with the biggest checks in the industry.



I don't follow the logic.

You are soooooooooooooo worried about losing sales to sexsearch. You claim you would lose "x" money to sexsearch if you stopped using "adware :1orglaugh ". So you lose say "x".

To help try to improve the image of AFF (and lure the sheep back) you will pay "x" more in signups to people.

So you still lose money. The money you make from zango you need to pay out in higher comissions to cover damage control.

Why not just stop doing business with zango in the first place and keep comissions where they are ? you still basically net the same. You claim you are the best and have the highest payouts, so no need to pay more. You would make a lot more in the long run because you wouldn't be losing affiliates because of your association with "adware :1orglaugh ". And you would be doing the fucking right thing by helping to fight the problem instead of being a part of the problem, wouldn't that be nice, to do the right thing. We know AFF makes over 100million a year, you have a ton of money, wouldn't it be nice to have something that money can't buy, Integrity? and to be able to go to bed at night knowing you are not fucking people. All for the cost of a couple pennies (if that) compared to what you make. :2 cents:

I could almost sympothize with the person (almost) who has nothing and would do something shady to put food on the table. But i have not ounce of sympothy for the person who already has millions who is doing something shaddy so he can buy another trophy car, or whatever. That's just greed.

Hollywood Horwitz 10-25-2006 05:22 PM

I would like to introduce Zango according to google,lol http://www.natcf.org/minpics/Ram%20Zango.jpg

p.s. i outsource my thinking to my myspace top 8 friends


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