It's not a matter of whether your statement was correct, you just seem to be dimissive of other ways of doing things.

Sorry is you got that from what I said. I was being dismissive to doing nothing. Nothing you had said indicated to me you were doing anything.

it's sunday another week of logs to parse and purge,
log does not contain image hits

cat access_log|grep -c Zango

Note: I don't think 100% of all Zango installs say Zango, i believe
some might say FunToolBar, etc so this probably aint all the hits

40555 - page views, average page view per person 2.5
so at least 10,000 maybe more people got advertising on my
site with Zango getting the income... at .05 per ad view, thats $500
and 10,000 annoyed surfers thinking im popping shit up, not to mention
a possible 10,000 cookies changed to their codes?

small time? i think not, matter of fact, the more traffic you have the more like you are probably up in the 20-30% range, he'll you're a flashing fucking borken ATM machine spitting out money back to these thieves, as they can see what traffic you have, higher traffic means some agent is snooping your site and cashing in

As long my friends murder others, and not me, then its cool :thumbsup :Oh crap

3 - 4 years ago, some webmasters realized that the quick way to grow a TGP was to buy traffic. Naturally they bought cheap, virtually worthless traffic, because that kept their investment down and meant their trade partners would be sending back more valuable traffic in exchange. A great scheme!

Except of course that the world doesn't stop turning, so it wasn't long before everyone and his brother began buying crap to build their sites. Surprise, surprise, productivity falls away and nowadays many are having to buy traffic constantly, just to stay in the game.

The end result is that no-one is getting good traffic for bad any more. They are all exchanging bad traffic, because the whole traffic pool is polluted. Hundreds of thousands of dollars which used to stay with TGP operators goes to traffic sellers, while at the same time income per visitor has dropped - I estimate - by at least 50% in the past 3 years. Not so smart after all...

Scumware is exactly the same. It provides an edge to those who participate, so long as they are in a small minority. But as soon as others get a hint that there is a profit to be made, the bandwagon will gather speed and before long, no-one but the scumware providers will be any better off.

It cannot be any other way because scumware does not generate a single extra sale for the market as a whole: all it does is divert traffic from one sponsor to another. Therefore every cent the scumware providers make, is straight off someone's bottom line: sponsors and affiliates alike. It is not just unethical to deal with scumware, it's plain dumb.

That's the objective viewpoint and I guess I'm not too surprised that relatively few seem to understand it. What does surprise me is the willingness of so many people to deal with sponsors who by any normal definition, are stealing from them. I cannot imagine, for example, meeting a sponsor at a show and not wanting to smack him in the mouth if I knew he was stealing so much as a cent from me. A thief is a thief. I don't care whether he empties the cash drawer or just takes some small change.

By which time it might be too late for most.

Do what is best for you today and fuck tomorrow. When tomorrow arrives then try and change things.

Go take a history lesson.

Baddog, what if someone was hijacking your traffic?

I think you should read this. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...sage_to_i.html

This is true, until another company jumps in and starts hijacking their traffic.

From what I've learned adware will hijack what ever traffic it's aimed at, by keywords. So if I want the "Dating" traffic for my site I just aim my adware campaign at anything looking for dating. Not financially profitable but illustrating a point.

So if the situation with adware increases more and more sponsors will be buying adware campaigns, simply because by logic they have more money to spend, so webmasters start to suffer more and more as their traffic gets hijacked.

Where does it stop?

You obviously don't know WTF zango does if you can't understand how they are stealing money. This isn't the same as pop ups on tours.. If I want to send to a console free tour on most sponsors I can. I can choose if my surfers see them or not. Either I pick the non-console tour or I don't promote that sponsor.

With zango I have no choice because they force pop ups over the pages I send surfers to. That is stealing traffic, which as a matter of fact a little company called "Gator" got in to a shit load of trouble for doing the same exact thing.

But of course you claim you don't care because it doesn't affect you. So I ask you this. Why the fuck are you in all these threads defending AFF/Cams if none of this affects you?

SleazyDream
 

SleazyDream!

Tell me who your freinds are and I can tell you how you are.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :disgust

that was a good read thanks

so you're gona drop very sponser that uses CCbill and epoch? cause they BOTH have clients that use zango?


fucking moron

you know what - come on all you fucking whin a lot trolls. put our fucking MONEY where your mouth is.

If you're gona drop AFF for using zango - then drop everyone - and that means you need to stop using credit card processors that process for companies that buy from zango.

whoops - that means there's almost no company they can use - sorry i forgot that


fucking morons

to be honest I couldn't give a fuck if you get stolen from. I'm only worried about MY pocketbook

here's some business advise. Concern yourself with your own pocketbook - not someone elses. Who gives a fuck how much someone else makes on a deal - your only worry is how much you made.

if you buy widgets for $20 and sell them for $25 and make millions - do you care that the guy who made the widgets made $19 a widget? NOT your concern. You shouldn't give a fuck about that.

this is a good point, a VERY good point. a VERY VERY good point

I didn't expected anything but a sleazy way of thinking from you.

what the fuck do you expect me to be? your fucking mommy?

even if we're in the porn business, I don't think we should have lower moral standards.
Seems some will do just about anything as long as their pocket is safe.

Supply and Demand.

It's not the first time this happens and like Mutt just stated it WILL get more popular. Companies like AFF have a demand for cheaper joins without recurring to pay to hard working affiliates and to do so, they deal with a company like Zango who can Supply them with pop up traffic from an install on a surfers computer. Cut out the demand and you won't need the supplier.

All said and done to stop companies like Zango, sponsors like AFF need to stop being fucking greedy.

btw, even tho this is gfy I don't think you should skim read.
The quoted question wasn't even addressed to you.

Sleazy, its about principals. Either you have them or you don't. Compromise it because of some bucks is too cheap IMO.

There are probably lots of other ways people are screwed, like shaving and so on. Talk about it is just good. Its not trolling, unless they lie to create fake dramas.

then you're admitting you're a hijacker - as this is my thread.

you're no better than zango, maybe you should stop doign business with yourself

Just wait until there are 10, 20 or 30 companies like Zango out there. It may only affect 0.5-2% of your sales now but with 10 Zango like companies you lose 5-20%, 20 companies 10-40%......

If Zango and companies like it are not stopped now everyone will be affected. Has the time come to stop them and how do you stop them? You bet it has and the only way as an affiliate to do that is to stop promoting a sponsor that feeds Zango cash and keeps them alive.

oh please.
your reply doesn't even qualify for a joke.
Since this is your thread you could at least put some effort in your replies.
If you want a piss match I'm sure jimthefiend will be around shortly, you can play with him.

Signup with Zangocash, and promote AFF and/or the top sponsors of everyone in this thread who are defending the practice. They don't care.. you've seen it yourself.

There already are, well 8 main ones according to Ben Edelmen


Adware will only be stopped by a ground swell of millions of pissed off surfers pushing for laws to outlaw the practise. Sorry to tell you but a ground swell of adult webmasters complaining isn't going to change anything.

You do what you feel is right but consider this. Lets say your complaining forced every adult sponsor to stop using zango and every other adware company out there. It won't happen but lets say it did. Do you know how many mainstrean sites (and not only dating) there are out there that would then be the top bidder on those keywords?

Just like 100 adult webmasters standing on a corner waving signs to get CP removed from the Net won't make a dent in the problem. Hell most people driving by would think we are promoting it.

I love that pic.

I did not say I was doing nothing.

I am using .htaccess to send anyone using Zango to a page telling them how to remove it, just as some others are.

They get nothing from my sites, so they either remove Zango or go to some other site that will be stolen from.

It is probably hurting my traffic, but I'm doing my small part to get rid of Zango users.

If I were unethical, I would simply send them to someone else directly in a trade. But, I just give them a Zango removal page and that's all they get from me.

So I am hurting myself today to try to have a better tomorrow for everyone.

I would like to know if there is a way to implement a solution server-wide without having to change .htaccess across a few hundred domains.

i love it when the morons get burned. you know they are a moron by their response - they cant handle it

the main problem with just replacing them with something else is these pop ups are trigged to pop with keywords like dating, etc. so you could promote someone who doesn't use zango at all but if they bid on words that appear on your page, or even others url's you are still screwed.

Trust
 

It is disgusting. Now it is the same as the shaving. If you still make money, let them steal a little.
For me it is a matter of trust. If I am an affiliate fore someone year after year, he becomes a freind you can trust. And then, suddenly, you find out that he has been stealing form you all the time. How is it just possible that you still doing bussiness with him?

It is all of you out there not leaving sponsors stealing from you making this shit to continue.

And converting has nothing to do with this. You convert good at what left for you.

Now we all know that you are a asshole. Took a longe time for you to prove it.

Everyone thinking of doing bussiness with you know what to expect!

give it a rest kid, you're trying to fight the wrong person.

You're right, its a very good point, too bad you don't believe in it. As Mutt said, right now its only affecting people on a minimal level. However, if we take your approach Sleazy and only concern ourselves with our own pocketbook and allow companies such as Zango to go unchecked, then the problem is only going to worsen to the point where it will affect some on a much larger scale.

Sleazy, install Zango on a pc and click your AFF ads and see what happens. I'd speculate that at least 5-10% of your traffic is affected by Zango and thats 5-10% of your ad clicks that will most likely now not buy from your links.

Way to compare apples to oranges, we were discussing a sponsor who spends money directly with Zango, not companies that do business with others who use Zango. The bottom line Sleazy is that you don't have the guts to do something positive for the industry and are only concerned with the short term and your pocketbook. I have no problem with you taking this approach, but don't try and spin it and make it seem something it isn't, fucking idiot.

Why bother promoting anyone except Zangocash at all? The people who are losing most from all this are sponsors who are not scumware customers and don't have any affiliates buying their domain names or keywords. Yet the reaction from them has been even more limited than that from affiliates.

Working with scumware will either stop or expand: it certainly won't stand still. So how much longer before more traffic is stolen in more categories?


It is easier to attack someone outside of our industry, especially because if you can convince yourself a sponsor isn't to blame, you can go on promoting him without feeling like too much of a fool. But just as there were sponsors willing to cut corners before Zango came along, they will be there when Zango is gone. Why not, when you can apparently do pretty much anything and the "sheep" will take it?

If we ever want to see this business cleaned up we need to ensure there are consequences for people who choose to put their own short-term gains ahead of reasonable professional standards and the health of our industry.

For example; one of Sleazydream's biggest sponsors is AFF.

You can signup with ZangoCash, and tell them you want to put YOUR own AFF links on top of every zango visitor to sleazydream.com

Now you've successfully skimmed 3% to 5% of his traffic.

fact is - you will do this.

you will promote sponsers that use cookies that saw someone else first - marked the cookie but bought from your site - you didn't get paid.

you will promote sponsers that don't use cookies so when i surfer manualy removed the affilate code you don't get paid.

you will promote sponsers that use cross sells one day and not the next and don't tell you or change you payout.

in the end all one is really concerned out is how much YOU get paid - that's it