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woj	11-16-2006 08:49 PM

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Xenophage

11-16-2006 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11331398)

VERY well said

if Lars didn't rub everyones nose in shit constantly, it probably wouldn't still be a such a big deal

Hmmm I am sorry if that is the way it seems it was not my intent to rub it in peoples faces. In 12 years of biz this is the first time anyone has said anything bad about me, so I did not know how to react. This is my first board drama in 12 years on boards.

BoyAlley

11-16-2006 08:50 PM

FYI: I've been a member of AdultFriendFinder.com for like 2 hours now and still haven't gotten a Vaginas.

I'm not very happy about this Lars...... http://www.gaymainstreet.com/TheStre...misc/flame.gif

will76

11-16-2006 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331181)

I've seen him mention on more than one occasion that he's had "private discussions" with "large AFF affiliates" and said they "won't be sending traffic to AFF anymore".

.

GOT PROOF?

So your whole feelings are based off of something you didn't even read. nice.

The only thing I have ever made reference to an AFF affiliate is Mr Pheer when i reminded him in another thread where he was blowing AFF, that a couple days before he made a post that he was upset with AFF and thinking of droping them. I never spoke to the guy in private or at all in my fucking life and i am getting tired of your false accusations. I don't know of any other AFF affiliates or what they have done nor have I talked to them muchless tried to recruit them. You are reaching to protect Lars for some reason, or maybe you are trying to feed off of board drama for YOUR sig, whatever it is if you don't provide proof then i think you will be losing a lot of credibility with a lot of people here. :2 cents:

proof please.

jayeff

11-16-2006 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331487)

You think Lars is an evil somsbitch, and I think you have financial motivations to bash him non stop. We're both entitled to those opinions.

True, except I'm not clear how - even if your suspicions about Will's motives were correct - they make any difference to Lar's role in all this?

Although while we are questioning motives, you are the second - at least - high post-count person just today to start a thread of dubious value with Will's name in the subject line. It's not exactly unknown for people on GFY to use currently controversial issues/people to score a few extra views...

Sean	11-16-2006 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331501)

explain how you using zango is not cuting into my income ? Please I can't wait for this explanation.

Or do we have to wait for 3 days for your lawyer to type up some bullshit, far fetched shit, about adware collisions ?

http://www.jupzchris.com/ifriends.jpg

will76

11-16-2006 08:52 PM

You said you 'seen" this on more then one occasion, show us 1 of those occasions, what it the url to the thread? Please share.

will76

11-16-2006 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Pimp (Post 11331579)

http://www.jupzchris.com/ifriends.jpg

hey dick head. the orginal question still stands. if you want to reply then don't avoid the question you are replying to.

Explain to me how LARS using zango is not cutting into my income. thankyou.

BoyAlley

11-16-2006 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331569)

Here let me teach you. Reply to ever nasty post someone makes about you from now on with this:

http://www.gaymainstreet.com/TheStre...c/catfight.gif

That's what I do it works for me.

Sean	11-16-2006 08:54 PM

WILL76:

when will you stop sending traffic to a company that will take adware traffic?
when will you put YOUR money WHERE your mouth is?

Blazed

11-16-2006 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331444)

I do not promote AFF, well i sent them a little traffic for like a month well over a year ago. I know you are relativly new in adult (at least i think i remember you saying that a while back) so I will explain to you how this works. When someone clicks on the link on my site that says " signup here", and they have zango on their computer, instead of see my ifriends signup page the person will have an Cams.com page pop up instantly over my ifriends signup page. This person does not know ifriends,what it looks like, etc.. they think the cams.com page is what I was just selling them about and they think that is the site/page I intended to send them to. SO if i did a good job selling my traffic, which I paid for, using my bandwidth, on my site, then I just got them to signup to cams.com because lars used zango to hijack my traffic. So, do you understand how this is costing me money even though I am not an AFF affiliate. Lars targets ifriends url a lot. Most zango popups for ifriends go to cams.com.

No it doesnt, it launches a pop up like any other pop and doesnt cover the whole screen and wouldnt make any surfer but maybe your 100 year old gran think that the pop is the site they where typing in.

Secondly do to you think every zango user gets a popup for every site they visit? You get hardly any popups a day so the chances of you yourself losing tons of money is slim your just a drama queen.
Lets say you have xxxsomecamsite.com and send 20,000 ppc hits a week to it at max 3 of them may have zango installed. Track the shit yourself ive tracked it on a few sites getting more then 20k a week and have yet to see a single referal coming from a zango user.
Go gather some solid statistics to show of your lost visitors and lost money stop whining.

Xenophage

11-16-2006 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucky1 (Post 11331471)

BoyAlley it really sucks to see you post this. You have proven that you have a lot of pull and are the kind of person that can raise awareness about a problem. That?s exactly the kind of person that could help make people aware of what is really happening.

Here is my thinking on this issue. I don't know Will or Lars personally, but I think I know enough to have an educated opinion. Will said that he saw zango in action and what it was doing. If I am correct Will makes over 7 figures a year as an affiliate for ifriends. After seeing Zango in action and then hearing how many users they have, Will was upset that he was loosing a nice amount of money. Now to someone making a thousand dollars a year the small percentage of surfers using zango would probably be very insignificant, but to someone making the kind of money Will makes, that loss is substantially higher.

If you were loosing thousands of dollars because someone was interfering with your traffic, and you knew it would just keep getting worse, what would you do about it?

I think Will had two option, join the darkside and use zango (probably very profitable for him, more so than making a stink about it on a board to try and "get more affiliates under him") or try to make enough noise that people would be outraged and try to stop zango.

Will chose option two and has not even mentioned Team Click Cash until other people bring it up.

What a lot of people don't realize is that the people who are dumb enough to install (aka get infected) with Zango are also the people that are too dumb to realize that they can get all the porn they want for free through p2p, torrents, ect. We are loosing are best customers if zango gets to them first.

With the continued growth of torrent sites, p2p networks, and the likes of Zango where will our industry be in a few years?

I think if Will took the time to improve his business instead of posting on GFY and researching Zango he would make more money. So the only reason I am left with is Will doesn't want to have people steal his hard earned traffic, and is willing to complain (and in some peoples opinion make an ass out of himself) in order to keep making money in this industry while still having morals and honesty.

The real sheep are the ones who let people steal from them and then laugh in their face.

I am beginning to think that will does not make the kind of , money he spouts off about. I think he is full of it as part of his self promotions, he pumped himself up big and that as cams.com continues to whip the shit outta ifriends. He just can not take it that we are kicking ifriends ass and so he is pissed off.

BoyAlley

11-16-2006 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331572)

You are reaching to protect Lars for some reason, or maybe you are trying to feed off of board drama for YOUR sig, whatever it is if you don't provide proof then i think you will be losing a lot of credibility with a lot of people here. :2 cents:

proof please.

Like I said, I don't know Lars, or anyone at AFF or any related companies for that matter, so I have no reason to "protect him". If anything I would have scored a lot more by starting a "omg I hate Lars too lawds mercy" thread like you do, and let everyone jump on the bandwagon. I knew when I started this thread I'd take heat for it, because right now it's not the "popular stance" to take.

What proof do I need? You earn your living off of iFriends, you've spent the last X number of weeks doing nothing but bash the hell out of one of their major competitors. 1+1 = ?

As far as my credibility. Any credibility that I have I've earned by calling it like I see it time and again, regardless of what other people's opinions were. That's what I did in this case as well.

Xenophage

11-16-2006 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 11331488)

Bingo, if Will had underhanded motives in order to promote Clickcash, why has he never hyped them in any of his Zango threads. Anyone following the board over the last six months would have noticed that Will has hardly even mentioned Clickcash or his program like he did last year.

Boy Alley, Zango was getting major heat from mainstream affiliates well before Will brought it to the attention of the gfy community.

Maybye cuzz his attempts to get them to ban ifriends affiliates using zango has gone unheard, so he really does not want to bring it up cuzz if he put his money where his mouth was he would stop doing biz with them.

PMdave

11-16-2006 09:01 PM

I contacted will months ago and he never even replied.

I think boyalley doesn't even know what he is talking about. Maybe should start hitting the keywords "josh tucker", "alex dark", "boyalley" etc hard so every visitor of his sites get an adware driven pop-over going to badpuppy or something like that.

BoyAlley

11-16-2006 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff (Post 11331576)

True, except I'm not clear how - even if your suspicions about Will's motives were correct - they make any difference to Lar's role in all this?

What if Will76 has been WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY over hyping the effects that something like Zango has on affiliates?

In which case, "Lars' role" is really insignificant to the individual affiliate?

Would that make a difference?

Blazed

11-16-2006 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331620)

Lol whats funny though is as pointed out by irish pimp IFRIENDS do the exact same thing as AFF with zango.

will76

11-16-2006 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331269)

Actually untrue have not talked to BoyAlly on phone icq or email of any sort.

Will is pimping up his board presence, so he can be a bigshot, plain and simple his attacks on me and my company have gone above and beyond anything reasonable, and that was pointed out to me by a lot of people at teh trade show.

You are so fucking clueless you make Jimmie the fiend really look like he realy is in Mensa.

I care about money, you dumb fuck. Tell me why I have waited 3 years to all of a sudden be a board whore and promote that sig I don't have?? Explain that to me. If you can remember anything from talking to me all those times you wanted my traffic you would know I care about money and not all this board drama shit. I am here posting for a reason. that reason is scumware stealing money out of my pocket.

How many contest threads have i posted in.. none.
How many people's sigs have i ever flown... none.
How many people have i cheated out of money, or scammed. none.
How many parties do I go to or threads do i start blowing someone. none.

To me success is how much I fucking make not what you and some trolls, sheep think about me. I could give a fuck if you think I am the anti christ a geek, a fucking queer or super cool. I don't fucking care. period.

you really are stupid.

Get use to my postings about zango the more you laugh at us the more we are going to post about what you are doing. get use to it you greedy fuck.

YOU CHOOSE TO USE SCUMWARE. YOU ADMITTED TO IT. YOU LAUGHED AT US. YOU BROUGTH THIS ON YOURSELF. NOW YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

get use to it, or do the right thing and stop... or beg sexsearch to stop making you do it :1orglaugh , god for someone with money you are a stupid fuck with no integrity. You have 100x more money then me and 10000x more money then most people here, but 99% of us have more fucking integrity then you. :1orglaugh

marketsmart

11-16-2006 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TampaToker (Post 11331346)

Right here in this thread tell us how the cookies and session id's work with aff. I been looking for the anwser to this

i wish someone would just answer this question...

Xenophage

11-16-2006 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331572)

watch our blood pressure will LOL I think your head is about to pop off

Donny

11-16-2006 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 11331376)

you like a gay? you fucking heathen.

Yep, I like teh BoyAlley

lucky1

11-16-2006 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331607)

If Will is not making the money he claims to be (well he doesn't claim to. I have heard it from other people) then he should spend less time on your ass and more time on his own business. Either that or he should put a clickable banner in his sig. Maybe someone need to teach Will about marketing, :1orglaugh or someone needs to thanks him for trying to do a good thing and make people aware of the fact that people are stealing traffic. Whether it be 20% or .00001% it's still theft (unfortunately legal theft for now) and it will just get worse.

Lars I think you should spend less time on Wills ass and more time explaining your side of the story. If you can convince me that Zango is not a problem and explain to me why you continue to use them than I Will Start sending traffic again and promote the shit out of you on GFY.

Sean	11-16-2006 09:06 PM

WILL76:

when will you stop sending traffic to a company that will take adware traffic?

have you stopped sending traffic to ifriends?

Xenophage

11-16-2006 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff (Post 11331576)

exactly pointing in wills direction as the person using controversy for building himself up. This has gone beyond a pointing out of the issues to a full fledged attack of will against our company.

TampaToker

11-16-2006 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 11331652)

i wish someone would just answer this question...

yeap yeap still waiting :thumbsup

Xenophage

11-16-2006 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331589)

hey dick head. the orginal question still stands. if you want to reply then don't avoid the question you are replying to.

Explain to me how LARS using zango is not cutting into my income. thankyou.

hey explain to me how you can be promoting a company that allows zango but then throw rocks over here answer that first !

tony286

11-16-2006 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331635)

if it takes one sale from a affiliate thats too much, how do you think this ok. What were you promised? As for this ifriends uses it too defense, so that makes AFF's behavior ok????
Every password trading site I found my shit ,there is a AFF banner. Those sites are stealing from fellow webmasters and they are financially supporting it and this we dont know where it comes from or what our affiliates are doing is bullshit. if you can read a basic stats program you know where the traffic comes from.

will76

11-16-2006 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331569)

bullshit. if you cared you would fix the problem like you said you were working on in your "position statement" .

You have made ZERO updates on that "problem" you have been working on. That really makes us believe you really weren't trying in the first place.

Do you think making a thread calling us all sheep and making SEVERAL Excuses like, well sex search made me do it, or it's just a pop up, don't even try to insult us muchless our intelligence with your lame ass excuses.

Stop taking my traffic, you and zango. this isn;t going to end till people's traffic is stopped being taken. You can easy step aside by doing the right thing and let the others take the heat or you can keep using Scumware and laughing at us.

BoyAlley

11-16-2006 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donny (Post 11331666)

Yep, I like teh BoyAlley

LAWDS MERCY! GLORY BE TO THE HOLE!

(get it, glory hole, fuck that was dumb nevermind)

PMdave

11-16-2006 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaWee (Post 11331203)

Mom: "Billy that's not right".

Billy: "But, Johnny does it".

oh but than it's all good....

Jace	11-16-2006 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331556)

no we are talking about less than 1/2 of 1 % and then the user can close the pop up if they dont like and continue surfing what they were doing.

but why would they close it? AFF is the link they clicked, AFF popped up

Xenophage

11-16-2006 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 11331599)

Exactamundo but will has turned this into way bigger than it is and lots of people bought into his agenda withought really looking at the realities.

will76

11-16-2006 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 11331599)

No it doesnt, it launches a pop up like any other pop and doesnt cover the whole screen and wouldnt make any surfer but maybe your 100 year old gran think that the pop is the site they where typing in.

Secondly do to you think every zango user gets a popup for every site they visit? You get hardly any popups a day so the chances of you yourself losing tons of money is slim your just a drama queen.Lets say you have xxxsomecamsite.com and send 20,000 ppc hits a week to it at max 3 of them may have zango installed. Track the shit yourself ive tracked it on a few sites getting more then 20k a week and have yet to see a single referal coming from a zango user.
Go gather some solid statistics to show of your lost visitors and lost money stop whining.

go install zango and then come back and talk like you know what you are talking about. Don' tell me what happens when i see it with my own eyes and you are obviously going off of someone else's missinformation.

PMdave

11-16-2006 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331693)

hey explain to me how you can be promoting a company that allows zango but then throw rocks over here answer that first !

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaWee (Post 11331203)

Mom: "Billy that's not right".

Billy: "But, Johnny does it".

Now answer the cookie/session question

Jace	11-16-2006 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331569)

so, you don't consider the drama behind you all allow illegal porn sites and warez sites use your ads drama?

the fact you support porn theft wasn't drama? LOL...ok man

Sly	11-16-2006 09:13 PM

If another person was as concerned as Will, Lars might need a better response than "why are you still promoting iFriends?"

will76

11-16-2006 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331607)

it was just a matter of time till you said that.

jesus christ people like you are predictable. Obviously I must be lieing about my income now. pathetic.

Xenophage

11-16-2006 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 11331638)

Lol whats funny though is as pointed out by irish pimp IFRIENDS do the exact same thing as AFF with zango.

Yeah and will continues to send traffic to them and bash us. Hypocrytical ??

Jace	11-16-2006 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 11331599)

my popups are tabs, even I don't notice it is a new window sometimes

will76

11-16-2006 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331620)

I have spent weeks bashing people using scumware. Why can't you see the difference ?

You said I am doing this to make money off of people signing up under me. then find one person to confirm that. You said you saw posts where i was talking to AFF affiliates that left AFF or some shit like that, then post the fucking thread or shut the fuck up.

Blazed

11-16-2006 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace (Post 11331717)

but why would they close it? AFF is the link they clicked, AFF popped up

No, if they click an aff link they go to an aff page in there browser just a pop would also show up of whoever is advertising on that link. They may go to an aff page and a ferrari page pops up, that is why complaining about money stolen is so dumb because so few if any is.
Also, zango isnt a browser lol, how can you complain about something you know squat about.

marketsmart

11-16-2006 09:17 PM

Lars can you please answer the session/cookies question....

tony286

11-16-2006 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331747)

Yeah and will continues to send traffic to them and bash us. Hypocrytical ??

its still wrong behavior on your part ,if they are doing it or not.

Xenophage

11-16-2006 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331704)

you can do the right thing and not support Ifriends until they stop allowing affialites to promote ZANGO but you like money more than you dislike zango. So you wont actually pull your traffic from them.

Jace	11-16-2006 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 11331695)

Every password trading site I found my shit ,there is a AFF banner.

apparently this wasn't drama to Lars though

Xenophage

11-16-2006 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331727)

Oh now bandwagon bashing is not ok ?? It sure was when it was in your favor.

Sean	11-16-2006 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331704)

Stop taking my traffic, you and zango. this isn;t going to end till people's traffic is stopped being taken. You can easy step aside by doing the right thing and let the others take the heat or you can keep using Scumware and laughing at us.

then when are you going to stop sending traffic to a company that supports it?

Jace	11-16-2006 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 11331767)

I don't know anything about it, as I already saind once in this thread, and that is why I am asking questions

Blazed

11-16-2006 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11331727)

Ive been promoting it for a long time and have installed it many times (everytime easily uninstalled from 4 clicks)
How hard is it for you to track zango referals and post your results? Maybe you would be surprised at the LACK of them.

will76

11-16-2006 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331625)

Here you are an owner of a 100+ million dollar a year company trying to speculate how I am handling this with clickcash and what they are doing about it, worrying about me. When you have admitted that you use scumware and you admitted that is takes traffic/signups away from your affiliates and others here.

When are you going to start worrying about Lars and AFF and fix YOUR shit and stop worrying about what I am doing.

and to the predictable here who will post for me to worry about me and not lars. I will stop worrying about any company who takes money out of my pocket when they start doing somethign to prevent that. I am not stealing from lars, him using zango is taking sales/traffic from me.

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