true dat nigga, true dat.

VERY well said

if Lars didn't rub everyones nose in shit constantly, it probably wouldn't still be a such a big deal

i am interested in an answer to this as well.. if cookies and session ids are not overwritten then i would find it hard to believe that zango is "stealing from their affiliates" as claimed by posters...

You are so right,I wonder what boy alley's motivation for defending this behavior? Because someone buys some drinks at a show or poses with them with big smiles. Its ok for them to screw webmasters, I dont understand this.

I would actually be interested in knowing this too

If a Zango user is surfing and comes to AFF from my affiliate ID, then another AFF page pops up OVER the current page, did I just lose a sale?

You took the time to post this so I am going to take the time reply to your concerns, suspicisions, acusations, etc...


You don't need to be gay to run your mouth :2 cents:

I do not promote AFF, well i sent them a little traffic for like a month well over a year ago. I know you are relativly new in adult (at least i think i remember you saying that a while back) so I will explain to you how this works. When someone clicks on the link on my site that says " signup here", and they have zango on their computer, instead of see my ifriends signup page the person will have an Cams.com page pop up instantly over my ifriends signup page. This person does not know ifriends,what it looks like, etc.. they think the cams.com page is what I was just selling them about and they think that is the site/page I intended to send them to. SO if i did a good job selling my traffic, which I paid for, using my bandwidth, on my site, then I just got them to signup to cams.com because lars used zango to hijack my traffic. So, do you understand how this is costing me money even though I am not an AFF affiliate. Lars targets ifriends url a lot. Most zango popups for ifriends go to cams.com.


I have already addressed this a few posts up. Since the hurricane last year I have taken on very very few TCC members. While I apologize to the ones I have turned down (especially those of you i did not reply back to, i feel bad for not having replied back to everyone), I hope one or two of you can post here explaining to this guy that you contacted me and I turned you down. Since I have been posting about zango I haven't had anyone signup and I have helped no one, therefore I have made ZERO affiliate sales. Find one person to say otherwise, just one please and prove me wrong.


I think you are a sheep and 100% wrong on everything you had to say. You are being misslead and have no basis other then suspicions based off of what Lars has been feeding you. If you really cared enough about this issue, and I suspect you do since you wrote a book, then I am curious why you have not contacted me and asked me these questions yourself. :2 cents: Makes one wonder if you have an agenda here and if you don't then I expect an apology or proof of your allegations... not a threat like I am going to get you banned, but man to man, you just said a lot of inaccurate shit, can you stand by what you said with proof or be a man and apologize ?

awaiting your reply.

i truely don't think will is doing this for signups, i think, like me, he gets into the heat of the moment and whoever he is going after gets in his line of sight and he won't stop until they cower or stop doing what they are doing

I get obsessed like that sometimes, hell, gfy has seen me do it a few times

PWN3D like Michael Jackson on his first day in prison.

BoyAlley it really sucks to see you post this. You have proven that you have a lot of pull and are the kind of person that can raise awareness about a problem. That?s exactly the kind of person that could help make people aware of what is really happening.

Here is my thinking on this issue. I don't know Will or Lars personally, but I think I know enough to have an educated opinion. Will said that he saw zango in action and what it was doing. If I am correct Will makes over 7 figures a year as an affiliate for ifriends. After seeing Zango in action and then hearing how many users they have, Will was upset that he was loosing a nice amount of money. Now to someone making a thousand dollars a year the small percentage of surfers using zango would probably be very insignificant, but to someone making the kind of money Will makes, that loss is substantially higher.

If you were loosing thousands of dollars because someone was interfering with your traffic, and you knew it would just keep getting worse, what would you do about it?

I think Will had two option, join the darkside and use zango (probably very profitable for him, more so than making a stink about it on a board to try and "get more affiliates under him") or try to make enough noise that people would be outraged and try to stop zango.

Will chose option two and has not even mentioned Team Click Cash until other people bring it up.

What a lot of people don't realize is that the people who are dumb enough to install (aka get infected) with Zango are also the people that are too dumb to realize that they can get all the porn they want for free through p2p, torrents, ect. We are loosing are best customers if zango gets to them first.

With the continued growth of torrent sites, p2p networks, and the likes of Zango where will our industry be in a few years?

I think if Will took the time to improve his business instead of posting on GFY and researching Zango he would make more money. So the only reason I am left with is Will doesn't want to have people steal his hard earned traffic, and is willing to complain (and in some peoples opinion make an ass out of himself) in order to keep making money in this industry while still having morals and honesty.

The real sheep are the ones who let people steal from them and then laugh in their face.

Bingo, if Will had underhanded motives in order to promote Clickcash, why has he never hyped them in any of his Zango threads. Anyone following the board over the last six months would have noticed that Will has hardly even mentioned Clickcash or his program like he did last year.

Boy Alley, Zango was getting major heat from mainstream affiliates well before Will brought it to the attention of the gfy community.

If i was driven by humanitarian motiviations then I would be trying to find a cue for homosexuality and rid the world of gays... of course I am just kiding and I knwo my gay friends will get a good laugh at that.

I am not trying to save the world, I care about money... period. My intentions are money motivated, but not like you think, I am not trying to steal leach off of anyone, I am trying to keep them from doing this to me. I hope you can understand the difference.

You did, because most certainly the surfer signs up using the Zango window, which is focused over yours.

That's the whole issue, it doesn't matter if cookies or session IDs are overwritten.

Surfers are simple, they think the window in their face is the one to use to sign up, simple as that.

To everyone here that is shooting the messenger - Will76 in this case, think about this:

Would you be cool with Sponsors popping a join window for their own program with their Affiliate-ID / no Affiliate-ID over YOUR window with your ID ?

This is the WHOLE issue summed up in a few words.

Oh and if you're cool with this behaviour - shoot me an ICQ, I'll give you my affiliate codes to pop over yours - for free of course... got the idea now?

Just my :2 cents:

Bueller?

explain how you using zango is not cuting into my income ? Please I can't wait for this explanation.

Or do we have to wait for 3 days for your lawyer to type up some bullshit, far fetched shit, about adware collisions ?

man you digging a hole fast. Keep it up Lars every asshole post like that you help fire up 10 more people that hate you and your company. Keep it up. Good job.

BTW, note to Lars. When something doesn't work when jimthefiend does it, I don't think it is going to work for you. :2 cents:

since clickcash is still letting webmasters use adware, when will you stop sending them traffic will?

btw... zango will not allow you to buy traffic to pop over aff/cams, etc..
i know of several dating programs that are going through the legal process of having their trademarked names removed from zangos bid list.

if companies are smart they will do the same.

that is ultimately the best way to put a stop to all of this.

i understand the position of do it to them before they do it to us....

with that being said, aff is in a catch 22... i think people are starting to think that this is a war between will and aff.... its not... its a war against adware and we should not lose site of that because its only going to get worse...

no we are talking about less than 1/2 of 1 % and then the user can close the pop up if they dont like and continue surfing what they were doing.

100.........

Hmmm I am sorry if that is the way it seems it was not my intent to rub it in peoples faces. In 12 years of biz this is the first time anyone has said anything bad about me, so I did not know how to react. This is my first board drama in 12 years on boards.

GOT PROOF?

So your whole feelings are based off of something you didn't even read. nice.

The only thing I have ever made reference to an AFF affiliate is Mr Pheer when i reminded him in another thread where he was blowing AFF, that a couple days before he made a post that he was upset with AFF and thinking of droping them. I never spoke to the guy in private or at all in my fucking life and i am getting tired of your false accusations. I don't know of any other AFF affiliates or what they have done nor have I talked to them muchless tried to recruit them. You are reaching to protect Lars for some reason, or maybe you are trying to feed off of board drama for YOUR sig, whatever it is if you don't provide proof then i think you will be losing a lot of credibility with a lot of people here. :2 cents:

proof please.

True, except I'm not clear how - even if your suspicions about Will's motives were correct - they make any difference to Lar's role in all this?

Although while we are questioning motives, you are the second - at least - high post-count person just today to start a thread of dubious value with Will's name in the subject line. It's not exactly unknown for people on GFY to use currently controversial issues/people to score a few extra views...

You said you 'seen" this on more then one occasion, show us 1 of those occasions, what it the url to the thread? Please share.

hey dick head. the orginal question still stands. if you want to reply then don't avoid the question you are replying to.

Explain to me how LARS using zango is not cutting into my income. thankyou.

WILL76:

when will you stop sending traffic to a company that will take adware traffic?
when will you put YOUR money WHERE your mouth is?

No it doesnt, it launches a pop up like any other pop and doesnt cover the whole screen and wouldnt make any surfer but maybe your 100 year old gran think that the pop is the site they where typing in.

Secondly do to you think every zango user gets a popup for every site they visit? You get hardly any popups a day so the chances of you yourself losing tons of money is slim your just a drama queen.
Lets say you have xxxsomecamsite.com and send 20,000 ppc hits a week to it at max 3 of them may have zango installed. Track the shit yourself ive tracked it on a few sites getting more then 20k a week and have yet to see a single referal coming from a zango user.
Go gather some solid statistics to show of your lost visitors and lost money stop whining.

I am beginning to think that will does not make the kind of , money he spouts off about. I think he is full of it as part of his self promotions, he pumped himself up big and that as cams.com continues to whip the shit outta ifriends. He just can not take it that we are kicking ifriends ass and so he is pissed off.

Maybye cuzz his attempts to get them to ban ifriends affiliates using zango has gone unheard, so he really does not want to bring it up cuzz if he put his money where his mouth was he would stop doing biz with them.

I contacted will months ago and he never even replied.

I think boyalley doesn't even know what he is talking about. Maybe should start hitting the keywords "josh tucker", "alex dark", "boyalley" etc hard so every visitor of his sites get an adware driven pop-over going to badpuppy or something like that.

Lol whats funny though is as pointed out by irish pimp IFRIENDS do the exact same thing as AFF with zango.

You are so fucking clueless you make Jimmie the fiend really look like he realy is in Mensa.

I care about money, you dumb fuck. Tell me why I have waited 3 years to all of a sudden be a board whore and promote that sig I don't have?? Explain that to me. If you can remember anything from talking to me all those times you wanted my traffic you would know I care about money and not all this board drama shit. I am here posting for a reason. that reason is scumware stealing money out of my pocket.

How many contest threads have i posted in.. none.
How many people's sigs have i ever flown... none.
How many people have i cheated out of money, or scammed. none.
How many parties do I go to or threads do i start blowing someone. none.

To me success is how much I fucking make not what you and some trolls, sheep think about me. I could give a fuck if you think I am the anti christ a geek, a fucking queer or super cool. I don't fucking care. period.

you really are stupid.

Get use to my postings about zango the more you laugh at us the more we are going to post about what you are doing. get use to it you greedy fuck.

YOU CHOOSE TO USE SCUMWARE. YOU ADMITTED TO IT. YOU LAUGHED AT US. YOU BROUGTH THIS ON YOURSELF. NOW YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

get use to it, or do the right thing and stop... or beg sexsearch to stop making you do it :1orglaugh , god for someone with money you are a stupid fuck with no integrity. You have 100x more money then me and 10000x more money then most people here, but 99% of us have more fucking integrity then you. :1orglaugh

i wish someone would just answer this question...

watch our blood pressure will LOL I think your head is about to pop off