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will76 11-16-2006 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331635)
What if Will76 has been WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY over hyping the effects that something like Zango has on affiliates?

In which case, "Lars' role" is really insignificant to the individual affiliate?

Would that make a difference?

Have you downloaded zango ? Please answer that.

Do you know that there are 20 million zango users mostly in the us and that is just one scumware company.

Do you know that zango makes their money from selling page views through their pop ups, which are target by url and happens instantly so the user does not even know (it most cases) it is not yoru site and they think it was you.

Did you know that zango made 50 million in 2004. Which since their only source of income i know of is selling popups, who do you think paid for that (ill help you with this, answer is companies like AFF). Ok, so do you think AFF makes a profit (answer is yes or they would not be doing it. An intelligent answer would be that they are likely making a lot or they would stop and not get the heat).

So... if zango collected 50 million, how much do you think the people made off of what they paid zango 50 million for, 75 million, 100 million ???? do you think that is a substantial amount of money, almost all of that money would have been made by affiliates if zango didn't pop up over their traffic. think about it. that was 2004 what do you think they are doign in 2006. AFF's pop ups are EVERYWHERE with zango, how much do you think they are making... ?

think about it... am i over hyping it? or are you a sheep and didn't look into this like you claimed to have.

will76 11-17-2006 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky1 (Post 11331674)
If Will is not making the money he claims to be (well he doesn't claim to. I have heard it from other people) then he should spend less time on your ass and more time on his own business. Either that or he should put a clickable banner in his sig. Maybe someone need to teach Will about marketing, :1orglaugh or someone needs to thanks him for trying to do a good thing and make people aware of the fact that people are stealing traffic. Whether it be 20% or .00001% it's still theft (unfortunately legal theft for now) and it will just get worse.

Lars I think you should spend less time on Wills ass and more time explaining your side of the story. If you can convince me that Zango is not a problem and explain to me why you continue to use them than I Will Start sending traffic again and promote the shit out of you on GFY.


My intentions are pure. YOu are right I could probably sell my sig right now for money that would make board whores droll. Mark my words I will never sell my sig. I've never had a desire to do so and i never will.

I could have said wow what a fucking cool idea this adware is and I could have made my own scumware shit and be selling traffic to people like lars in a couple months time.

I would never steal from people here. I work hard for my money and I earn it. I go to bed a night with a clear conscious. I am not going to take from you to try to get myself further ahead. But apparently that value is not important to some people. I guess 100 million isn't enough they need 110 million at the cost of taking 10million straight up from other affiliates here. :Oh crap

Penthouse Tony 11-17-2006 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Irish Pimp (Post 11332482)
clickcash takes traffic from zango. why will you not stop supporting them?

teamclickcash right will?

im done for the night. will, you need to pull your traffic to ifriends and publicly state it, or you have no foot to stand on.

I'm not a gay homosexual but let me see if I can get this straight. Will says that if AFF stops taking traffic from Zango it will have a huge impact and help make Zango go away. Yet HE, someone that controls a LARGE part of iFriends' traffic, won't stop sending traffic to iFriends in order to make them stop taking the Zango traffic.

:helpme :helpme :helpme

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:08 AM

wait so your just going to ignore that ifriends is now buying zango ads ? Interesting tactic I guess you know that they do and dont want to talk about it

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332573)
My intentions are pure. YOu are right I could probably sell my sig right now for money that would make board whores droll. Mark my words I will never sell my sig. I've never had a desire to do so and i never will.

I could have said wow what a fucking cool idea this adware is and I could have made my own scumware shit and be selling traffic to people like lars in a couple months time.

I would never steal from people here. I work hard for my money and I earn it. I go to bed a night with a clear conscious. I am not going to take from you to try to get myself further ahead. But apparently that value is not important to some people. I guess 100 million isn't enough they need 110 million at the cost of taking 10million straight up from other affiliates here. :Oh crap

sad thing is others now are looking at this as a new buisness model. You have started at least 3 new adware companies in the last month, congrats.

will76 11-17-2006 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331684)
exactly pointing in wills direction as the person using controversy for building himself up. This has gone beyond a pointing out of the issues to a full fledged attack of will against our company.

rather the opposite.

I am just one of many people who are asking you why you do business with Zango and getting upset with your insults and sheep threads you make about us.

I am one of MANY people doing it. HOWEVER, you have singled me out, and you are attacking me but yet you have not said ONE word in a bad way towards any of the MANY others who have been doing the same thing I have been doing. You have made up a lot of shit about me in this thread. A lot of made up shit. Everything I said I can prove.

You might want to step back and see who is really attacking who here. I feel I am defending myself my then anything in this thead.

Its more like most of GFY against LARS, but LARS and staff only against Will76. ... interesting.

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332600)
rather the opposite.

I am just one of many people who are asking you why you do business with Zango and getting upset with your insults and sheep threads you make about us.

I am one of MANY people doing it. HOWEVER, you have singled me out, and you are attacking me but yet you have not said ONE word in a bad way towards any of the MANY others who have been doing the same thing I have been doing. You have made up a lot of shit about me in this thread. A lot of made up shit. Everything I said I can prove.

You might want to step back and see who is really attacking who here. I feel I am defending myself my then anything in this thead.

Its more like most of GFY against LARS, but LARS and staff only against Will76. ... interesting.


yeah feels good dont it :)


bottom line is you continue your attacks on us and then when confronted that your main sponsor does the same thing and you in fact said you would drop them in a heartbeat if they were doing it and now you wont do shit speaks volumes to who and what you are.

will76 11-17-2006 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331722)
Exactamundo but will has turned this into way bigger than it is and lots of people bought into his agenda withought really looking at the realities.

oh, then how much does AFF/Cams make in zango sales ? please tell us how much money we lost, that you consider a small amount.


If it was as small of a deal as you say it was you wouldnt do it. A 5 year old can see through your bullshit excuse there.

nevermind zango generated 50 million dollars in 2004... chump change. small problem. :2 cents:

lucky1 11-17-2006 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11332589)
wait so your just going to ignore that ifriends is now buying zango ads ? Interesting tactic I guess you know that they do and dont want to talk about it

Wait so your just going to ignore my questions?
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=678133

Interesting tactic I guess you dont want to talk about it.

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332626)
oh, then how much does AFF/Cams make in zango sales ? please tell us how much money we lost, that you consider a small amount.


If it was as small of a deal as you say it was you wouldnt do it. A 5 year old can see through your bullshit excuse there.

nevermind zango generated 50 million dollars in 2004... chump change. small problem. :2 cents:

How much money is ifriends now taking from you. where is your 30 threads on the home page about how ifriends is ripping you off ?

woj 11-17-2006 12:18 AM

250........

will76 11-17-2006 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 11331767)
No, if they click an aff link they go to an aff page in there browser just a pop would also show up of whoever is advertising on that link. They may go to an aff page and a ferrari page pops up, that is why complaining about money stolen is so dumb because so few if any is.
Also, zango isnt a browser lol, how can you complain about something you know squat about.

you really need to go install zango you really dont know how it works. seriously, i know you promoted the installs from what you said, but I dont think you put it on your own computer recently. it doesnt work that way.

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:23 AM

ahhaahhaah this is some funny shit so basically will pointing out zango to ifrineds they found a new source of traffic and are now buying direct from zango . Oh man this takes the cake. Will76 you absolutely have to stop promoting Ifriends or your gonna have to eat crow brother. You said if they support it you would drop them in a second after allt eh tounge lashing you been dishing out to me over the last month you have to put your $$$ where your mouth is and terminate your relationship, if you do not then it shows your all about the $$ and your talk of ethics is all bullshit.

will76 11-17-2006 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 11331886)
Well will has shown know proof of any money he has lost yet daily posts about all this money he has lost. What reason do you have to believe aff is costing you signups yet theres no proof of it ANYWHERE.

you are an idiot. so companies paid zango 50 million in 2004 and they didnt make any money from the traffic they bought.

HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE BE SO FUCKING STUPID ?

how do i show proof i lost money. I can't it;s not possible. I can show how much AFF made off of it if it goes to court. I can show how much zango collected from AFF. I think anyone with an IQ of 60+ can do the math on this one.

will76 11-17-2006 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11331888)
Wont happen since we are not popping the same site on the same site.

but it is ok for you to pop cams.com up over aff.com traffic.


And this is in the best interest of yoru affiliates. Your affiliates send traffic to aff.com and if the user has zango you pop up a cams.com page.

Lars who gets credit for the cams.com signup? YOU or the Affiliate. Now stop with the, it can't happen bullshit. No one cares if you make the signup using site A or site B, you still taking the sale away from your affiliate.

Address the issues!!!! :2 cents:

will76 11-17-2006 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331893)
See how badly people have been misinformed? Exactly why I started this thread........

you are a worthless board whore. You come in here post about somethign you know nothing about, make your bull shit accusations.

YOU SAID YOU SAY WHERE I POSTED THAT I TALKED TO AFF AFFILIATES that i was getting to drop AFF? Post the fucking links then. You saw this why can't you show us???? why lie ??

now you are in here posting posting bullshit trying to get sig views from the bogus bullshit you started.

will76 11-17-2006 12:33 AM

BTW i am still on page 4 for those of you reading this.... one day I will make it to the current page ;) lol.

xxxjay 11-17-2006 12:35 AM

Lars is cool.

Will76 is a dork.

Boyalley is still a homo.

Things are as they should be. Zen is upon us.

will76 11-17-2006 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by studiocritic (Post 11331895)
just FYI, a very small percentage of Zango installs actually shows Zango in the user agent. the newer versions show nothing.

Great so i am losing more then i thought :Oh crap

will76 11-17-2006 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331893)
See how badly people have been misinformed? Exactly why I started this thread........

LOL you really putting your foot in your mouth.

Thanks for educating us idiots that AFF doesn't hijack AFF traffic with an AFF zango page, that they use a cams.com instead.

Lars still makes the sale. the affiliate still loses the sale. I guess you think this is ok ?

BTW most of us knew this already.

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332722)
but it is ok for you to pop cams.com up over aff.com traffic.


And this is in the best interest of yoru affiliates. Your affiliates send traffic to aff.com and if the user has zango you pop up a cams.com page.

Lars who gets credit for the cams.com signup? YOU or the Affiliate. Now stop with the, it can't happen bullshit. No one cares if you make the signup using site A or site B, you still taking the sale away from your affiliate.

Address the issues!!!! :2 cents:


as was shown if we do not pop cams then sexsearch buys the pop. If sexsearch buys the pop then our affilaites lose becuase we lose money. If we make money off of a cams pop then that money is filtered back into the payouts in the form of bonuses and higher percent and affilaites in the end make more money. If we let sexsearch buy the popup then we would have to reduce payouts as we would be less competative, and our affilaites would make less money. So do our affilaites want us to buy the pops or do tehy want sexsearch or 10 others buy the pop ? I say affilaites would rather us buy it.

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332740)
you are a worthless board whore. You come in here post about somethign you know nothing about, make your bull shit accusations.

YOU SAID YOU SAY WHERE I POSTED THAT I TALKED TO AFF AFFILIATES that i was getting to drop AFF? Post the fucking links then. You saw this why can't you show us???? why lie ??

now you are in here posting posting bullshit trying to get sig views from the bogus bullshit you started.



hahhaha your head is about to explode your so angry and frustrated that you have been caught with your pants down and wont take action.

will76 11-17-2006 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BoyAlley (Post 11331957)
You know what the funnay thing is about all of this? I just went and looked, and Lars' payouts are more than 1/2 of 1% higher than iFriends, so if will76 started promoting them instead, he'd probably end up way out ahead.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

So now you are comparing FREE signups vs Pay signups.

I make about $55 on average a FREE signup. I convert 4x more on FREE signups then pay signups. does that make sense?? redo your math. If it says free but they need to put a credit card in it will convert better then something that I need them to pay $25 for. From my experience, since 99' i notice 3 to 4x better conversion ratio with FREE w/credit card vs. $25+ join.

Along the same lines, FREE (email) signups convert a lot better then FREE w/credit card.

BoyAlley, please icq me before you post, you are embarassing yourself.

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332812)
So now you are comparing FREE signups vs Pay signups.

I make about $55 on average a FREE signup. I convert 4x more on FREE signups then pay signups. does that make sense?? redo your math. If it says free but they need to put a credit card in it will convert better then something that I need them to pay $25 for. From my experience, since 99' i notice 3 to 4x better conversion ratio with FREE w/credit card vs. $25+ join.

Along the same lines, FREE (email) signups convert a lot better then FREE w/credit card.

BoyAlley, please icq me before you post, you are embarassing yourself.


It does not matter any more Cams.com kicks Ifriends ass now more $$ per click than Ifriends any day of the week. I know that just pisses the shit outta you but at $105 PPS we are kicking Ifriends ass all day long

Daruma 11-17-2006 12:51 AM

this whole shit just makes me sick...
lars your comparing zango to being no different than delayed pop-ups..

well let me ask you - do you have to re-format, re-install a computer based on delayed pop-ups... fuck no

your comparing 2 things that are completely different..
your character is what is in question for me personally - I know this is not the first time that you've fucked others in business and this is just on a much wider scale..

your paychecks and share holdings I am sure are fat and only getting fatter.. but I do believe and hope that this will come back to kick you in the ass someday..

Daruma 11-17-2006 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11332860)
It does not matter any more Cams.com kicks Ifriends ass now more $$ per click than Ifriends any day of the week. I know that just pisses the shit outta you but at $105 PPS we are kicking Ifriends ass all day long

thats because you have your shave-o-matic tuned up

will76 11-17-2006 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Blazed (Post 11331979)
I dont think your doing it for personal gain, i dont know why you are but i think your overreacting. Since 99% of the people are backing you and 99% of them havent ever installed zango and have no idea what it does but are just following you there the sheep no? Really if you could just prove youve lost which you cant, since you havent :)

Yeap all the times that cams.com and aff.com pops up over my traffic, i never lose one sale to that. :1orglaugh all quality traffic going to my signup page, not 1 sale. And all the money AFF pays Zango, it is a donation or charity ? I am sure AFF is doing it for the abuse and to make money, and if they doint it to make money, which they are, then you tellign me that magically all of the times they do it to my traffic, no one signups those times.

do you honestly believe this? honestly ?

Xenophage 11-17-2006 12:55 AM

So wait your worried about a cams pop on your ifriends page but and ifriends pop on and ifriends page is ok ? You still ignoring the issue.

Sean 11-17-2006 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332722)
Address the issues!!!! :2 cents:


indeed will, indeed.

your only sponsor accepts adware traffic. what does it say in your sig?

"Did you know that ""adware"" is is stealing your traffic and your sales?
Contact your sponsors to make sure they do not support this."

your sponsor supports adware will76

will76 11-17-2006 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jacklaidlaw (Post 11331992)
I no longer give a shit who promotes or what who uses zango I have heard too much talk of this and its doing my head in now. I have wasted more money making time talking about the effects of zango than I will ever loose from zango stolen sales


take a break man.

I will carry the whole industry if i have to. You helped, you were made aware and you made us laugh. Thank you for your contribution. Just because you spent a few hours on this and the problem is not solved right away, don't think your time was wasted. It wasn't.


Even if you don't post about it you know what is right and what is wrong. Thanks for you help.

will76 11-17-2006 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 11332026)
after 4 pages and an hour or so of listening to both sides, i dont see any headway in either direction.

i am offically finished with all these zango posts.

my suggestion to all sponsors is make sure your domains are trademarked and have legal send c&d's to zango telling them to stop using your url's in their bid lists.

although this would have no effect on keyword targeting, i think it would at least quiet this debate...

Thanks for your help. We appreciate it. Don't let it burn you out.

Lars is banking on all of us giving up.... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ME :thumbsup not that i have anything against AFF, just companies that use scumware. IF lars stopped using scumware I would never mention his name again :2 cents:

DateDoc 11-17-2006 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by starpimps (Post 11330925)
or he just hates the spywares
LAWDS MERCY

:thumbsup

Sean 11-17-2006 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332927)
Thanks for your help. We appreciate it. Don't let it burn you out.

Lars is banking on all of us giving up.... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ME :thumbsup not that i have anything against AFF, just companies that use scumware. IF lars stopped using scumware I would never mention his name again :2 cents:


what are you talking about will?? CLICKCASH WILL TAKE ADWARE TRAFFIC.

YOU SEND THEM TRAFFIC.

will76 11-17-2006 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Irish Pimp (Post 11332048)

search on this board and you will find out how fast clickcash can turn off a webmaster.

ding ding we have a winner. think about it they cancel accounts from getting just one or two complaints for all other traffic but not this.... think about it.... if you can't figure it out when they are ready to make their statement or finished doing what they are doing then you will see it if you can't figure it out now.

Xenophage 11-17-2006 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332927)
Thanks for your help. We appreciate it. Don't let it burn you out.

Lars is banking on all of us giving up.... NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH ME :thumbsup not that i have anything against AFF, just companies that use scumware. IF lars stopped using scumware I would never mention his name again :2 cents:



hahahahh But when its Ifriends that will promotes its cute. God your such a joke

will76 11-17-2006 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LegendaryLars (Post 11332053)

Ask OZman who posted that thread how he feels now about what you are doing. You know him, just ask him :2 cents:

Sean 11-17-2006 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332953)
ding ding we have a winner. think about it they cancel accounts from getting just one or two complaints for all other traffic but not this.... think about it.... if you can't figure it out when they are ready to make their statement or finished doing what they are doing then you will see it if you can't figure it out now.



OK THEN WILL... why will they not TURN OFF THE ADWARE!! its been a long time and YOU said that YOU talked to them about it????

how long does it take will? how long?

Xenophage 11-17-2006 01:13 AM

yeah but more important he also knows what a tool you really are talkign out the side of your ass on a crusade, but then when its on your own doorstep you still wanna leave your house to look at other peoples crap. Clean your own doorstep first.

Xenophage 11-17-2006 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11332953)
ding ding we have a winner. think about it they cancel accounts from getting just one or two complaints for all other traffic but not this.... think about it.... if you can't figure it out when they are ready to make their statement or finished doing what they are doing then you will see it if you can't figure it out now.

They can easily turn it off whenever they want, when we ban an affiliate it goes to a page that says this affiliate has been banned and we do not take the traffic any more. Easy enough for anyone to do.

will76 11-17-2006 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by lucky1 (Post 11332216)
OK what are YOU doing about it? I would love to know.

Last I heard was that there was nothing you could do. You had to protect your company and you were being forced to use zango. <-- All bullshit.

in his "position statement" WEEKS ago, he said they were working on it. No updates have been made other then calling us sheep and insulting us.

:upsidedow I am sure they are hard at work for a solution though :2 cents:


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