Jayeff, you hit it solidly right on the head.

Zango has already proven that it's methods for obtaining customers in the past (some part of the current 20 million) was not legal, and they have to pay the FTC a fine and are now having to recontact all those customers to explain.

Further, Zango continues to use a pre-checked "I agree to the terms box" and a trigger button marked "PLAY" rather than "INSTALL TOOLBAR", in violation of the same set of Truste rules that they said they would adhere to.

What AFF / Cams don't realize is that Zango is a fair weather friend, and as soon as someone with a bigger check comes down the street, Zango will sell them down the river and the fun will be over.

You are also correct Jayeff, that by popping a console in the sale process, not only do they steal the sale if possible, but they also piss of a large number of people who hate popups and don't buy from the underlying affiliate site either.

What Sagi doesn't get (and Lars I think is just playing dumb on) is that they can take steps protect their intellectual rights, and they don't have to pay Zango a ransom to retain their traffic. Just the idea that you have to pay a company to keep the people going to your domain to be actually going to your domains seems like a slam dunk legal angle. That others have been able to do this without issue, plus Zango is currently in deep shit with the FTC, it would seem pretty easy to resolve. Send a nicely worded letter to to Zango with a CC to the FTC about the issue, and see how quickly your sites are no longer sold on their marketplace.

Lars, you don't want to fix it because in the end, this has been your biggest month, you have made the most money, and that trumps it all. It isn't the affiliates, it's the cash in your pocket. I understand. I just hope everyone else does too.

Nothing that Will does or has done changes AFF/ cam's actions one bit, and nobody should forget that.

thx for sharing the info!!

Interesting , I knew this was going to pop up sooner or later

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

because u are the eternal surfer right? :thumbsup

infact that is a nice idea.

if a company could do that properly and bust popups at the very right time then i would use that definitley, but if that adware got abused then it would be totally wrong.

will76 ......... U GOT OWNED !!! :1orglaugh

This deserves repeating.

Everyone is welcome to Google ( Gator spyware ) and read up on the mainstream companies that sued Gator for doing the EXACT same thing Zango is doing and these companies won.

Don't take my word for it, don't take Lars' word for it. Look it up yourself. SAME EXACT SITUATION...

]http://www.teamclickcash.com/zango/i..._zango_TOS.jpg

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/678372-clickcash-support-zango-traffic.html[/QUOTE]

Really ??

Funny all you fuckers who were chimming in I got owned. Where are you now ?


Yeah thats what I thought. It's ok I don't blame you. You were just miss guided sheep being led by Lars and jumped on his bandwagon.

I have said from day one clickcash was working on it, and they were taking it seriously. You believed Lars over me. thats cool. Just funny seeing so many people scream owned! and then all of them get owned! way to go.

you aint kidding. I have never seen so many people scream Owned and then own themselves... priceless indeed.


What happened to Lars ?

Thanks, did I deal with it to your satisfaction ?

:thumbsup :thumbsup I think this might be the owning of the year :thumbsup :thumbsup

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Where did everyone go ???

The AFF crickets invaded this thread too. As soon as the tide goes the other way, wow... they don't even bother to Iraqi Information Minister, they just turn tail and run.

i love zango!!!!!!

This issue has never been AFF vs. Will76.
The issue is "sponsor" programs using spyware to steal affiliate traffic. It doesn't matter if they are using Zango or another piece of spyware. And it doesn't matter if it is only 1 surfer a year. Stealing is stealing.

AFF made themselves a target by initially ignoring affiliates and then calling us sheep when the heat didn't fade by itself. AFF isn't the only program using spyware, but they are defending it.

I've never talked to Will76 privately, but I do believe that his involvement in this is coming from a desire to clean up this industry to a point where stealing is not accepted. I also believe that he would have targeted any program as heavily involved in spyware as AFF. AFF just responded in a way that made it seem like they are the biggest thieves in the industry. AFF did this to themselves.

That was roughly my thinking too. I'm getting a huge kick out of how times I've seen the work "hypocrite" I'm quite sure we all are to a certain extent. What makes me sick is when people swap out the phrase "I'll do anything no matter how shitty to make money" with "I'm comfortable with the way we do business".

After a 1/2 coffee I felt I must add that my previous statement was the result of the absolute stupidity displayed by Sagi earlier rather than anything Lars has said. Quite frankly there are a lot of companies using Zango and all of the pussies are probably hoping no one outs them. Lars made a bad decision in an attempt to make a little more cash without thinking of the possible consequences. Others have done the same but at least he isn't cowering in a corner :thumbsup

Typical GFY Sheep and trolls. They are so quick to jump on the bandwagon and believe someone just because they think he is cool.

They give their 2 cents and proved 100% wrong but yet wont come back and own up to it.

This one needs to stay on the top for a little while.

If Sexsearch would have:
1. Replied to the accusations... then
2. Admitted to doing it... then
3. Told us they were going to keep doing it... then
4. Insulted and laughed at me and everyone here... then
5. Proceeded to personally attack me and call me a hypocrite about 200 times.

Who ever did the above I guarantee you they would have been the center of my focus as well.

AFF made this about them. They become the poster boy for zango and scumware by the way they responded and handled the matter. They become even more of the focus of me by the way they attacked and insulted me. Go back 2 weeks ago and you see Sagi threatening me. Lars just started pouring it on GFY in the last couple days, but they have been taking pot shots at me for weeks now.

When the heat got turned on them here by everyone else they tried to spin the whole deal by saying I was a hypocrite. Instead of addressing why they were using spyware and what they were doing to quit they put 100% of their efforts on trying to destroy my credibility. They couldn't even do that. Now they dissapear, will likely wait a few days and come back and throw more money at people and hope they will forget. Great business model. How about stop doing the thing that is pissing everyone off.

Will you were lucky enough to produce an ace at the right moment, enough with the gloating. :winkwink:

My apologies to all for pouring some high octane fuel on the Zango issue with this thread but I think it helped to achieve two important things.

Firstly, it forced iFriends hand to make a decision and they chose to drop their direct or indirect support of Zango. Unless that is you believe they just happened to complete their lengthy investigation into Zango the morning after this thread appeared.

Secondly AFF/Cams made their position crystal clear. They choose to continue to use Zango. If they haven't stopped by this point it seems unlikely they will unless industry wide changes are brought about.

Will, since you say you knew about iFriends using Zango from day one and haven't tried to hide it can you show me where you posted about it way back then? I must have missed it apparently along with most other people. I would never have made this thread if that information was common knowledge and I hadn't kept seeing the same affiliate codes. I cry whenever someone posts a "timeline " pic in the few threads I make but I didn't see one in this thread.

Even when I made that thread two or three weeks ago about iFriends using that other adware company, you acted like iFriends involvement with adware was all news to you.

If it was rogue affiliates and not iFriends themselves, why wouldn't iFriends have canned the affiliates right away once it was brought to their attention? They could have seen it with their own eyes in a couple minutes if they didn't believe screenshots? What could they possibly have to "investigate" that took several weeks and finished the morning after this thread?

It would be like me finding a burglar in my house and instead of shooting the fucker and/or calling the cops, I instead jump on the Internet and start researching better ways to protect my house, while I watch him carrying my stuff out to his truck. :error

Also I assume iFriends pops have been on Zango for weeks or months before we noticed them. I find it very hard to believe they weren't aware of the "problem" before you brought it to their attention but I do give you props once again for having enough influence with them to get them to drop it.

The hippocrytical part is obviously that you continued to let them directly or thru' affiliates, steal sales from you for several weeks after you knew about it because you trusted them that they would make it right in the end, despite you saying that you wouldn't support sponsors who support adware.

"Hey I'm raping you right now but I will be done in just a few minutes so be quiet until then and I promise I won't do it again. Sound ok? "

They made it right in the end by promising not to steal sales anymore. Did they offer to compensate you and other affiliates for sales lost in the weeks or months prior? ...because that will be the first question asked of any Sponsor that drops Zango and I haven't seen it asked about iFriends yet.

Just think how things would have turned out if iFriends had taken another few weeks in their "investigation". It would have taken you months to dig yourself out of the mud hurled at you by your fan club. Like I say, it was lucky you had a magic shovel in that your Sponsor dropped Zango rather than you having to drop iFriends. :)

glad to see ifriends stop, it's a shame more large affiliates wouldn't move their traffic elsewhere until sexsearch and aff stop.

I had a long reply for you and I deleted it. Believe what you want to believe. I am not going to disclose private information when asked to keep it private. I know what they were working on and I was helping them with it. If you don't believe that you are entitled to your opinion.

I wish I could find this magic shovel you are talkng about and give it to lars so he can use it to dig AFF out of their hole. I guess this magic shovel is the key to stop doing business with zango. I think you give me too much credit. One little affiliate (who Lars says I dont make any money) Got clickcash to wait to pull the trigger until Lars buried himself. Maybe Lars was in on it to. Maybe I shot JFK too.

When someone tells me they are working on something and I have been doing business with them for 5+ years and I trust them I give the oppertunity to fix it. Yes I choose to continue to do business with them while they investigated the problem and attempted to make long term fixes. IF they were ignoring it or would not have fixed it then I would have pulled my traffic.

I was the first person to complain to them about zango btw. If you don't believe that then I am sure someone here can chime in and show us an email they sent prior to clickcash about it. I am sure you can dig up an old post here where someone is complaining about ifriends affilites using zango.

You are a piece of work OZ. You bash me, then you download zango and see exactly what i see, say you can't defend AFF anymore, now clickcash does what they need to do, accounts banned and they are on the right side of the issue and you back to bashing me and them again. I guess you can never make some people happy.

It is not my fault that you miss posts in threads that you started. Here is the same type of Ifriends bashing thread you posted on 11/01

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/672704-_breaking-news-ifriends-supports-adware.html

my reply 11/02
I've mentioned it several other times. From the beginning I mentioned I noticed this happening when I clicked my own ifriends links on my site???? I can't help it that you missed this. I doubt many other have. I

I just wasted about 20 minutes of my life replying to you which will truely do nothing to making you see things differently, so fuck it. think what you want. This is the last time I waste time trying to prove myself to you it is obvious you have your mind mind up. If anyone else questions anything that OZ has said let me know and I will respond.

if you need to find anything else about me use the GFY search feature and look it up yourself.

I hardly think my last post qualifies as bashing. I was making the point that the timing was too good. You say you can't post the full details so that ends that.

You have nothing more to prove to me. I downloaded Zango at your prompting and I have seen with my own eyes that Zango is bad and that lots of sponsors continue to use it.

I will be the first one to congratulate you when your anti-Zango efforts produce positive changes. I withdraw my congratz on you getting Clickcash to drop Zango as you said it had nothing to do with you.

I did forget about your 11/02 post you quoted so my bad on that one, but so did everybody else apparently as nobody told me what I said in this thread was old news.

fair enough.

no one told in this thread because they were too busy jumping on Lars' bandwagon.

obviously nothing is going to be solved here. zango, its affiliates and advertisers will be bit in the ass one day, money doesn't buy fate