Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357475)

Click Cash's participation in Zango like campaigns has absolutely nothing to do with the participation of AFF/Cams.com. They're separate issues. I don't see why people keep bringing this up. Yes, it is something Will should have looked into, but that doesn't change anything regarding AFF/Cams.com.

The lack of answers this thread has produced is pretty disappointing, though somewhat predictable. I've been trying to find answers to those exact questions for a few days now.

By the way, when somebody starts a thread about a specific company, there is absolutely no way possible that said specific company can say "oh we never saw the threads". The minute this thread was started, many ICQs were sent alerting the relevant parties. The minute a thread pops up about our company within 15 minutes I have 10 ICQs and usually an email or two.

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 11357490)

Are you suggesting this negates the case against AFF or Will's arguments aren't credible because ClickCash may be just as complicit as AFF with being in bed with Zango?

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357584)

What makes this as seperate issue? The fact that Will76 made good after the fact???? Will76 went on with all his bullshit while his own company that he pretends to have a part of but really doesn't goes on taking Zango traffic for years. Think about it for a second. Will is not on the right track. He is lashing out on people... Not caring about solving a problem... Only caring about naming BIG names to get attention.. All along his own program has been supporting Zango for YEARS!! And only until the last few days has he actually been taking care of it because of a post demanding he do so.... Come on now... First off, if you are looking for Zango users you would find ClickCash. There were there marketing for many years but that was not addressed until just the last few days. Bullshit!!! Will is out for a Crusade to up his recognizability. That's it!! If he was really into fighting Zango he would have taken care of his own backyard first. Then, went after Zango direcly. What does he do????? HMMM..... Think about it...

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357597)

This thread was started by another party asking about AFF. Thats what makes it a separate issue. :-)

I don't give a fuck about Will. Nobody does. And he's fine with that. He's simply the scapegoat because he's been the most vocal about the issue. Now other people, totally unrelated to Will, are asking the questions and you still come back and tie it to Will.

Hmm... think about it...

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357597)

This thread was started by another party asking about AFF. Thats what makes it a separate issue. :-)

I don't give a fuck about Will. Nobody does. And he's fine with that. He's simply the scapegoat because he's been the most vocal about the issue. Now other people, totally unrelated to Will, are asking the questions and you still come back and tie it to Will.

Hmm... think about it...

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357665)

I am a bit confused about what you are saying here. I am tying it to Will because his intentions are different than what you think they are. He didn't even research the fact that his own company he is backing has been taking HUGE amounts of adware traffic for many years. For him to come out and have an all out crusade against a subject that his own company has been backing and doing for years is only a personal crusade to up his own credibility. Look at the posts about ClickCash's responsibility in this whole matter. He would have tried to stop that first. It was a TON of traffic going to ClickCash from Zango alone. Not to mention the other 50 adware companies that make up for more than 40% of the Internet! Not just a measley .05% of Zango....

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357597)

This thread was started by another party asking about AFF. Thats what makes it a separate issue. :-)

I don't give a fuck about Will. Nobody does. And he's fine with that. He's simply the scapegoat because he's been the most vocal about the issue. Now other people, totally unrelated to Will, are asking the questions and you still come back and tie it to Will.

Hmm... think about it...

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 11357626)

Why must people think by shooting the messanger everybody will forget the message. I found it particularily disgusting that Irish Pimp and Lars were employing such naked attempts at misdirection and turning it into a Will76 vs. Lars issue. Very sad stuff.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357752)

I am sorry. I should have answered this as "buying traffic from Zango is 100% legal and up until 6 weeks ago it has been accepted by well over 50,000 different companies not discluding some of the biggest companies on NASDAQ. Meaning... this is 100% legal and accepted. Will has lead sheep to places they or he doesn't understand. What do I mean by this? Porn is a perfect analogy for this situation. Most people don't want it here but it's perfectly legal if you follow certain standards. Now think about it in terms of perveyors of porn and customers. If there wasn't anyone making money on porn there would not be a fucking internet porn industry. Think about it..... The reason porn is legal is because there are MANY people who are trying to keep it legal because they make money off it. Now look at adware. Let's look at a legal download and install. Companies are proving services for this install and making money on it. If there wasn't anyone making money on it it would be gone almost as fast porn if there was noone making money on it.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357752)

I am sorry. I should have answered this as "buying traffic from Zango is 100% legal and up until 6 weeks ago it has been accepted by well over 50,000 different companies not discluding some of the biggest companies on NASDAQ. Meaning... this is 100% legal and accepted. Will has lead sheep to places they or he doesn't understand. What do I mean by this? Porn is a perfect analogy for this situation. Most people don't want it here but it's perfectly legal if you follow certain standards. Now think about it in terms of perveyors of porn and customers. If there wasn't anyone making money on porn there would not be a fucking internet porn industry. Think about it..... The reason porn is legal is because there are MANY people who are trying to keep it legal because they make money off it. Now look at adware. Let's look at a legal download and install. Companies are proving services for this install and making money on it. If there wasn't anyone making money on it it would be gone almost as fast porn if there was noone making money on it.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357815)

Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Any new thing is legal until its weighed by society and then deemed good or bad. If you follow the "its legal" camp, thats certainly your choice. However, legal is not the same as ethical.
.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357844)

Bud, that was my point with the porn issue. Just because Internet Porn is legal doesn't make it moral....

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357852)

Absolutely. Which is why people question and challenge it all the time. Luckily for us, they have yet to win, haha.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358038)

Sly? Want to comment on this?

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357584)

What makes this as seperate issue? The fact that Will76 made good after the fact???? Will76 went on with all his bullshit while his own company that he pretends to have a part of but really doesn't goes on taking Zango traffic for years. Think about it for a second. Will is not on the right track. He is lashing out on people... Not caring about solving a problem... Only caring about naming BIG names to get attention.. All along his own program has been supporting Zango for YEARS!! And only until the last few days has he actually been taking care of it because of a post demanding he do so.... Come on now... First off, if you are looking for Zango users you would find ClickCash. There were there marketing for many years but that was not addressed until just the last few days. Bullshit!!! Will is out for a Crusade to up his recognizability. That's it!! If he was really into fighting Zango he would have taken care of his own backyard first. Then, went after Zango direcly. What does he do????? HMMM..... Think about it...

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 11358053)

Why do you think Lars hasn't bothered to answer the questions in the original post since many of his affiliates seem to want to hear the comments?

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358081)

Come on who's fake nic are you? Lars? DH?

Which company did i pretend to own ? Just curious.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358101)

ClickCash dumbfuck! You have been trying to act as ClickCash is all high and mighty when they are one of the biggest supporters of Zango. Then, just recently, did you start to have links removed. Now you say... "if you see a clickcash code contact them and they will remove it"

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358096)

Don't argue with this moron.

Bump for answers from post 1

Originally Posted by lucky1 (Post 11332315)

All night long it seems that AFF and their supporters are trying to spin the hell out of the zango issue.

They have reduced a serious problem in the adult industry to a kindergarten argument.

I don't want to hear that this company is using zango or that company is using zango. I don't what to hear that Will is an asshole or Lars is an asshole. What I want are these questions answered from AFF since they are the only company that has come forward and admitted that they directly purchase traffic from zango.

Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

Do you bid on url's of other companies?

Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?

Serious questions and I would like serious answers.

Answer them right and gain some respect.
Extra points for honesty and I'll check your answers.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358115)

Will, in your honest opinion... how many years has ClickCash had links from Zango and directly profiting from Zango? Now be honest... We are trying to stop a problem right? We are working for a cause right?????

Please... Please be honest with us. How long has ClickCash been without Zango? Never? 2 Days?
how long big crusader? You can't check your own backyard before you try to deface other companies?

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358096)

Don't argue with this moron.

Bump for answers from post 1

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358121)

whoooa bump-o-rama.... thanks for another bump BRO! remind me to buy you a drink at the next show :thumbsup

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358129)

It's obvious you are upset people are actually questioning you and actually opening their minds to what's really going on. Sorry Will... The sheep won't always follow a moron.... There comes a time....

Originally Posted by lucky1 (Post 11332315)

All night long it seems that AFF and their supporters are trying to spin the hell out of the zango issue.

They have reduced a serious problem in the adult industry to a kindergarten argument.

I don't want to hear that this company is using zango or that company is using zango. I don't what to hear that Will is an asshole or Lars is an asshole. What I want are these questions answered from AFF since they are the only company that has come forward and admitted that they directly purchase traffic from zango.

Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

Do you bid on url's of other companies?

Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?

Serious questions and I would like serious answers.

Answer them right and gain some respect.
Extra points for honesty and I'll check your answers.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358143)

Seems like someone is trying to divert the attention away from the questios that were orginally posted. Here is another bump to keep the thread on track.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358115)

Will, in your honest opinion... how many years has ClickCash had links from Zango and directly profiting from Zango? Now be honest... We are trying to stop a problem right? We are working for a cause right?????

Please... Please be honest with us. How long has ClickCash been without Zango? Never? 2 Days?
how long big crusader? You can't check your own backyard before you try to deface other companies?

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358162)

You are right. You are totally trying to divert attention away from questions that were asked. Come on Will... answer the questions.....





Please answer the questions...... Please just one answer...

Originally Posted by Martin (Post 11358174)

Im glad to see these things come to light and debated on the boards.. Threw my years of doing this I've seen these scams come and go.. Webmasters have been getting ripped off ever since I started. I love seeing these guys get dragged threw the mud. LOVE IT! The word travels much faster these days..

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358162)

You are right. You are totally trying to divert attention away from questions that were asked. Come on Will... answer the questions.....





Please answer the questions...... Please just one answer...

Originally Posted by lucky1 (Post 11332315)

All night long it seems that AFF and their supporters are trying to spin the hell out of the zango issue.

They have reduced a serious problem in the adult industry to a kindergarten argument.

I don't want to hear that this company is using zango or that company is using zango. I don't what to hear that Will is an asshole or Lars is an asshole. What I want are these questions answered from AFF since they are the only company that has come forward and admitted that they directly purchase traffic from zango.

Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

Do you bid on url's of other companies?

Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?

Serious questions and I would like serious answers.

Answer them right and gain some respect.
Extra points for honesty and I'll check your answers.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358089)

This is a tough situation. One thread I read said he needed to maintain his database. This could mean that if he drops adware companies all of a sudden becauase of one person that is on a crusade when it has been perfectly acceptable for years including the crusaders own company it could mean he would stress over chargeback issues. You have to keep in mind that if you drop let's say 5% of your processing one month the next month you might be facing chargeback issues because your chargebacks kept coming in and your transactions droppped. I don't know if you are informed about these sort of things but it means you could actually lose your business. Not only lose your business but lose your business overnight because ONE person decideded to try to make a name for himself and ruin one company and not even try to clean up his own backyard first.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358176)

Bumb for the person who thinks this thread doesn't want to get bumped!

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358115)

Will, in your honest opinion... how many years has ClickCash had links from Zango and directly profiting from Zango? Now be honest... We are trying to stop a problem right? We are working for a cause right?????

Please... Please be honest with us. How long has ClickCash been without Zango? Never? 2 Days?
how long big crusader? You can't check your own backyard before you try to deface other companies?

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 11358261)

OK, I totally agree that if they are in fear of losing their processing and thus business, that justifies them doing what they have to that is still legal to stay afloat.

But, that doesn't seem plausible given what else they have said, like it represents such a small percentage of traffic...(if they are on verge of losing their ability to process if they lose zango signups then I would have no problem with them lying to hide this fact to protect their company's lifeline).

If they need zango to stay compliant with visa, that is deeply disturbing to affiliates and clients i imagine and what about targetting their competitors and all the other stuff that doesn't support your contentions.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358143)

Seems like someone is trying to divert the attention away from the questios that were orginally posted. Here is another bump to keep the thread on track.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358322)

Come on... let's keep this thread on track..... Does Will have a different agenda then we think? Did ClickCash have TONS of Zango traffic going to it up to just a few days ago???? Yes... People ... Wake up....

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358298)

Buying contexual marketing from adware companies has been a practise of some of the largest companies on the Internet today for many years past. If you aren't aware it is one of the BIGGEST advertising mediums there is. Now you expect everyone to all of a sudden stop and lose that revenue stream all because one person got all hot an bothered. It's been an acceptable traffic medium for many years now undergoing many laws mandating certain requirements that Zango seems to be following. Will76 didn't even check his own programs use of Zango which has been IMMENSE for the last 4 years. This is a serious concern to anyone who wants to know Will76's true vendetta. let's see ClickCash against AFF? Hmm........

Originally Posted by hershie (Post 11358261)

OK, I totally agree that if they are in fear of losing their processing and thus business, that justifies them doing what they have to that is still legal to stay afloat.

But, that doesn't seem plausible given what else they have said, like it represents such a small percentage of traffic...(if they are on verge of losing their ability to process if they lose zango signups then I would have no problem with them lying to hide this fact to protect their company's lifeline).

If they need zango to stay compliant with visa, that is deeply disturbing to affiliates and clients i imagine and what about targetting their competitors and all the other stuff that doesn't support your contentions.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 11358404)

also, how do you reconcile these three arguments?

- "its a very small percentage of traffic.. less than .05%"
and
- "we have to do it to maintain the size of our member base"
and
- "if we don't do it, we can lose our merchant account"

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358435)

INMO.... It doesn't represent a small % of their traffic and their traffic is growing because of Will76. Look at alexa's ranking for zangocash.com
http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?u=zan...=1&h=300&w=500
He is building their traffic up HUGE!!!! Will, can I hire you for some promotions I am doing?

On the other hand it appears cams.com is still growing...
http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?u=cam...=1&h=300&w=500


So what is Will76 actually doing? Helping Zango? Promoting Zango? How many GFY'ers didn't know about Zangocash.com or MetricsDirect.com that are now in the now and using them? Look at the charts I posted and you tell me what you think is happening.

Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358454)

It's common knowledge that Zango is 0.05% of the US surfers. Then, you take the popups, which don't occur every site you browse, that are only clicked on 15% of the time. In the end you are looking an EXTREMELEY small amount..

I am not AFF. I don't know if they have a problem with their database and chargebacks. Check with them.