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jacklaidlaw 11-20-2006 07:20 PM
answers please

Evil1 11-20-2006 07:27 PM
seems the took the sexsearch approach and just went into hiding

will76 11-20-2006 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil1 (Post 11356718)
seems the took the sexsearch approach and just went into hiding
he banked his whole defense for using zango because clickcash hadn't closed affiliate accounts yet who were using it. That was changed Friday, haven't seen him post since.

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11356773)
he banked his whole defense for using zango because clickcash hadn't closed affiliate accounts yet who were using it. That was changed Friday, haven't seen him post since.
You should have tried cleaning your own house before you went on rampage about someone else's business. Yes, the company that you are trying to back and say are so high and mighty had Zango traffic. Dumbass, they have had Zango traffic for years!!! Now you are saying if you see it report it and they will remove it. But here I see people posting companies they think support it WITHOUT giving them the benefit of the doubt that it might be an affiliate and they should REPORT it and get it removed like you advised people to do for ClickCash. Until now ClickCash has been taking Zango traffic for MANY years. Only now because you are bitching about other companies do you get caught and shown the error of your own ways and years of Zango traffic are forgotten??????????


Come on Wil76..... You studip shit. Yes, let's all get honest here. First, admit they have been taking Zango traffic for YEARS until you started your crusade and even now they are still taking it but it's an affiliate right???

Evil1 11-20-2006 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357409)
You should have tried cleaning your own house before you went on rampage about someone else's business. Yes, the company that you are trying to back and say are so high and mighty had Zango traffic. Dumbass, they have had Zango traffic for years!!! Now you are saying if you see it report it and they will remove it. But here I see people posting companies they think support it WITHOUT giving them the benefit of the doubt that it might be an affiliate and they should REPORT it and get it removed like you advised people to do for ClickCash. Until now ClickCash has been taking Zango traffic for MANY years. Only now because you are bitching about other companies do you get caught and shown the error of your own ways and years of Zango traffic are forgotten??????????


Come on Wil76..... You studip shit. Yes, let's all get honest here. First, admit they have been taking Zango traffic for YEARS until you started your crusade and even now they are still taking it but it's an affiliate right???
hello lars

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 09:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil1 (Post 11357422)
hello lars

Um.... Nope.....

Will76, please tell me that you know 100% that ClickCash wasn't taking Zango traffic the last 5 years. Please... Please... just make a statement like "if there was any Zango traffic it must have been an affiliate" because I know 1000% there was a lot of Zango traffic going there. Please... tell me something like "we were unaware of the problem until now" because I know that a huge amount of Zango traffic has been going there and even until very lately it has still been going there uncaught... So ClickCash is completely out of all the bullshit?? Please someone tell how this is possible? Until the last few days there were multiple links to ClickCash. Will76 statement about if you see any report it and it will be removed are complete bullshit.

Scroto 11-20-2006 09:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil1 (Post 11357422)
hello lars
thats what i thought too :2 cents:

Sly 11-20-2006 09:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357409)
You should have tried cleaning your own house before you went on rampage about someone else's business. Yes, the company that you are trying to back and say are so high and mighty had Zango traffic. Dumbass, they have had Zango traffic for years!!! Now you are saying if you see it report it and they will remove it. But here I see people posting companies they think support it WITHOUT giving them the benefit of the doubt that it might be an affiliate and they should REPORT it and get it removed like you advised people to do for ClickCash. Until now ClickCash has been taking Zango traffic for MANY years. Only now because you are bitching about other companies do you get caught and shown the error of your own ways and years of Zango traffic are forgotten??????????


Come on Wil76..... You studip shit. Yes, let's all get honest here. First, admit they have been taking Zango traffic for YEARS until you started your crusade and even now they are still taking it but it's an affiliate right???
Click Cash's participation in Zango like campaigns has absolutely nothing to do with the participation of AFF/Cams.com. They're separate issues. I don't see why people keep bringing this up. Yes, it is something Will should have looked into, but that doesn't change anything regarding AFF/Cams.com.

The lack of answers this thread has produced is pretty disappointing, though somewhat predictable. I've been trying to find answers to those exact questions for a few days now.

By the way, when somebody starts a thread about a specific company, there is absolutely no way possible that said specific company can say "oh we never saw the threads". The minute this thread was started, many ICQs were sent alerting the relevant parties. The minute a thread pops up about our company within 15 minutes I have 10 ICQs and usually an email or two.

hershie 11-20-2006 09:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357452)
Um.... Nope.....

Will76, please tell me that you know 100% that ClickCash wasn't taking Zango traffic the last 5 years. Please... Please... just make a statement like "if there was any Zango traffic it must have been an affiliate" because I know 1000% there was a lot of Zango traffic going there. Please... tell me something like "we were unaware of the problem until now" because I know that a huge amount of Zango traffic has been going there and even until very lately it has still been going there uncaught... So ClickCash is completely out of all the bullshit?? Please someone tell how this is possible? Until the last few days there were multiple links to ClickCash. Will76 statement about if you see any report it and it will be removed are complete bullshit.
Are you suggesting this negates the case against AFF or Will's arguments aren't credible because ClickCash may be just as complicit as AFF with being in bed with Zango?

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 09:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroto (Post 11357463)
thats what i thought too :2 cents:
Have you not seen the latest posts from Will76 saying if you catch any ClickCash accounts please report them. He shows ONE screen cap of an account being TERMED. This has been going on for YEARS. Now ClickCash is out of the loop??? Open your minds people.

BusterBunny 11-20-2006 09:53 PM
50 hard hitting questions.....

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 10:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357475)
Click Cash's participation in Zango like campaigns has absolutely nothing to do with the participation of AFF/Cams.com. They're separate issues. I don't see why people keep bringing this up. Yes, it is something Will should have looked into, but that doesn't change anything regarding AFF/Cams.com.

The lack of answers this thread has produced is pretty disappointing, though somewhat predictable. I've been trying to find answers to those exact questions for a few days now.

By the way, when somebody starts a thread about a specific company, there is absolutely no way possible that said specific company can say "oh we never saw the threads". The minute this thread was started, many ICQs were sent alerting the relevant parties. The minute a thread pops up about our company within 15 minutes I have 10 ICQs and usually an email or two.

What makes this as seperate issue? The fact that Will76 made good after the fact???? Will76 went on with all his bullshit while his own company that he pretends to have a part of but really doesn't goes on taking Zango traffic for years. Think about it for a second. Will is not on the right track. He is lashing out on people... Not caring about solving a problem... Only caring about naming BIG names to get attention.. All along his own program has been supporting Zango for YEARS!! And only until the last few days has he actually been taking care of it because of a post demanding he do so.... Come on now... First off, if you are looking for Zango users you would find ClickCash. There were there marketing for many years but that was not addressed until just the last few days. Bullshit!!! Will is out for a Crusade to up his recognizability. That's it!! If he was really into fighting Zango he would have taken care of his own backyard first. Then, went after Zango direcly. What does he do????? HMMM..... Think about it...

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hershie (Post 11357490)
Are you suggesting this negates the case against AFF or Will's arguments aren't credible because ClickCash may be just as complicit as AFF with being in bed with Zango?
Yes... There are many posts showing ClickCash has been taking Zango traffic for MANY years. Not just some traffic but it has been recognized but professional anti-adware people that ClickCash has been a supporter and sponsor of Zango for years now. It's a fact. It's on the net. They have been there since the beginning.

Sly 11-20-2006 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357584)
What makes this as seperate issue? The fact that Will76 made good after the fact???? Will76 went on with all his bullshit while his own company that he pretends to have a part of but really doesn't goes on taking Zango traffic for years. Think about it for a second. Will is not on the right track. He is lashing out on people... Not caring about solving a problem... Only caring about naming BIG names to get attention.. All along his own program has been supporting Zango for YEARS!! And only until the last few days has he actually been taking care of it because of a post demanding he do so.... Come on now... First off, if you are looking for Zango users you would find ClickCash. There were there marketing for many years but that was not addressed until just the last few days. Bullshit!!! Will is out for a Crusade to up his recognizability. That's it!! If he was really into fighting Zango he would have taken care of his own backyard first. Then, went after Zango direcly. What does he do????? HMMM..... Think about it...
This thread was started by another party asking about AFF. Thats what makes it a separate issue. :-)

I don't give a fuck about Will. Nobody does. And he's fine with that. He's simply the scapegoat because he's been the most vocal about the issue. Now other people, totally unrelated to Will, are asking the questions and you still come back and tie it to Will.

Hmm... think about it...

hershie 11-20-2006 10:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357597)
This thread was started by another party asking about AFF. Thats what makes it a separate issue. :-)

I don't give a fuck about Will. Nobody does. And he's fine with that. He's simply the scapegoat because he's been the most vocal about the issue. Now other people, totally unrelated to Will, are asking the questions and you still come back and tie it to Will.

Hmm... think about it...
Why must people think by shooting the messanger everybody will forget the message. I found it particularily disgusting that Irish Pimp and Lars were employing such naked attempts at misdirection and turning it into a Will76 vs. Lars issue. Very sad stuff.

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 10:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357597)
This thread was started by another party asking about AFF. Thats what makes it a separate issue. :-)

I don't give a fuck about Will. Nobody does. And he's fine with that. He's simply the scapegoat because he's been the most vocal about the issue. Now other people, totally unrelated to Will, are asking the questions and you still come back and tie it to Will.

Hmm... think about it...
I am a bit confused about what you are saying here. I am tying it to Will because his intentions are different than what you think they are. He didn't even research the fact that his own company he is backing has been taking HUGE amounts of adware traffic for many years. For him to come out and have an all out crusade against a subject that his own company has been backing and doing for years is only a personal crusade to up his own credibility. Look at the posts about ClickCash's responsibility in this whole matter. He would have tried to stop that first. It was a TON of traffic going to ClickCash from Zango alone. Not to mention the other 50 adware companies that make up for more than 40% of the Internet! Not just a measley .05% of Zango....

Sly 11-20-2006 10:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357665)
I am a bit confused about what you are saying here. I am tying it to Will because his intentions are different than what you think they are. He didn't even research the fact that his own company he is backing has been taking HUGE amounts of adware traffic for many years. For him to come out and have an all out crusade against a subject that his own company has been backing and doing for years is only a personal crusade to up his own credibility. Look at the posts about ClickCash's responsibility in this whole matter. He would have tried to stop that first. It was a TON of traffic going to ClickCash from Zango alone. Not to mention the other 50 adware companies that make up for more than 40% of the Internet! Not just a measley .05% of Zango....
Ok. Will is an idiot and Click Cash are scammers.

Sweet. Now we can get back to the threads original topic and maybe get some answers from AFF!

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 10:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357597)
This thread was started by another party asking about AFF. Thats what makes it a separate issue. :-)

I don't give a fuck about Will. Nobody does. And he's fine with that. He's simply the scapegoat because he's been the most vocal about the issue. Now other people, totally unrelated to Will, are asking the questions and you still come back and tie it to Will.

Hmm... think about it...
I am sorry. I should have answered this as "buying traffic from Zango is 100% legal and up until 6 weeks ago it has been accepted by well over 50,000 different companies not discluding some of the biggest companies on NASDAQ. Meaning... this is 100% legal and accepted. Will has lead sheep to places they or he doesn't understand. What do I mean by this? Porn is a perfect analogy for this situation. Most people don't want it here but it's perfectly legal if you follow certain standards. Now think about it in terms of perveyors of porn and customers. If there wasn't anyone making money on porn there would not be a fucking internet porn industry. Think about it..... The reason porn is legal is because there are MANY people who are trying to keep it legal because they make money off it. Now look at adware. Let's look at a legal download and install. Companies are proving services for this install and making money on it. If there wasn't anyone making money on it it would be gone almost as fast porn if there was noone making money on it.

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hershie (Post 11357626)
Why must people think by shooting the messanger everybody will forget the message. I found it particularily disgusting that Irish Pimp and Lars were employing such naked attempts at misdirection and turning it into a Will76 vs. Lars issue. Very sad stuff.
Will came out against AFF. Not coming out solely againts Zango. Think about what perspired in the last few weeks..... Think about ONE THING!!!!



AFF againts ClickCash!
The 2 top live cam companies in the world!!!

Will is not going after the other thousand or so companies using Zango. Only one!!! think about the reasoning.
Don't be his sheep!!!!!!!!!!!

Sly 11-20-2006 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357752)
I am sorry. I should have answered this as "buying traffic from Zango is 100% legal and up until 6 weeks ago it has been accepted by well over 50,000 different companies not discluding some of the biggest companies on NASDAQ. Meaning... this is 100% legal and accepted. Will has lead sheep to places they or he doesn't understand. What do I mean by this? Porn is a perfect analogy for this situation. Most people don't want it here but it's perfectly legal if you follow certain standards. Now think about it in terms of perveyors of porn and customers. If there wasn't anyone making money on porn there would not be a fucking internet porn industry. Think about it..... The reason porn is legal is because there are MANY people who are trying to keep it legal because they make money off it. Now look at adware. Let's look at a legal download and install. Companies are proving services for this install and making money on it. If there wasn't anyone making money on it it would be gone almost as fast porn if there was noone making money on it.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Any new thing is legal until its weighed by society and then deemed good or bad. If you follow the "its legal" camp, thats certainly your choice. However, legal is not the same as ethical.

And the reason porn is legal has nothing to do with the money makers keeping it legal, lol, it has to do with societies acceptance and people that are willing to defend freedoms that they believe do not harm others.

You can believe what you want. You can say what you want. And you can think what you want. But in my eyes, Zango and like programs are parasites that profit by stealing ad revenues from legitimate websites and until someone can prove me otherwise, thats where I stand. And that has absolutely nothing to do with Will, I've probably read 2 of his threads.

hershie 11-20-2006 10:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357752)
I am sorry. I should have answered this as "buying traffic from Zango is 100% legal and up until 6 weeks ago it has been accepted by well over 50,000 different companies not discluding some of the biggest companies on NASDAQ. Meaning... this is 100% legal and accepted. Will has lead sheep to places they or he doesn't understand. What do I mean by this? Porn is a perfect analogy for this situation. Most people don't want it here but it's perfectly legal if you follow certain standards. Now think about it in terms of perveyors of porn and customers. If there wasn't anyone making money on porn there would not be a fucking internet porn industry. Think about it..... The reason porn is legal is because there are MANY people who are trying to keep it legal because they make money off it. Now look at adware. Let's look at a legal download and install. Companies are proving services for this install and making money on it. If there wasn't anyone making money on it it would be gone almost as fast porn if there was noone making money on it.
Now that was much better for me than the Will grows horns line... Interesting perspective.

MaddCaz 11-20-2006 10:45 PM
seriouisness is good...I think

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 10:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357815)
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. Any new thing is legal until its weighed by society and then deemed good or bad. If you follow the "its legal" camp, thats certainly your choice. However, legal is not the same as ethical.
.
Bud, that was my point with the porn issue. Just because Internet Porn is legal doesn't make it moral....

Sly 11-20-2006 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357844)
Bud, that was my point with the porn issue. Just because Internet Porn is legal doesn't make it moral....
Absolutely. Which is why people question and challenge it all the time. Luckily for us, they have yet to win, haha.

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11357852)
Absolutely. Which is why people question and challenge it all the time. Luckily for us, they have yet to win, haha.
Do you think it's the porn customers out there fighting for their rights to see porn on the net or the Porn Perveyors that are making a difference? I am asking you a serious question. What do you think? Who makes the laws? The customers or the profiteers?

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 11:36 PM
Sly? Want to comment on this?

hershie 11-20-2006 11:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358038)
Sly? Want to comment on this?
Why do you think Lars hasn't bothered to answer the questions in the original post since many of his affiliates seem to want to hear the comments?

will76 11-20-2006 11:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11357584)
What makes this as seperate issue? The fact that Will76 made good after the fact???? Will76 went on with all his bullshit while his own company that he pretends to have a part of but really doesn't goes on taking Zango traffic for years. Think about it for a second. Will is not on the right track. He is lashing out on people... Not caring about solving a problem... Only caring about naming BIG names to get attention.. All along his own program has been supporting Zango for YEARS!! And only until the last few days has he actually been taking care of it because of a post demanding he do so.... Come on now... First off, if you are looking for Zango users you would find ClickCash. There were there marketing for many years but that was not addressed until just the last few days. Bullshit!!! Will is out for a Crusade to up his recognizability. That's it!! If he was really into fighting Zango he would have taken care of his own backyard first. Then, went after Zango direcly. What does he do????? HMMM..... Think about it...
Come on who's fake nic are you? Lars? DH?

Which company did i pretend to own ? Just curious.

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 11:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hershie (Post 11358053)
Why do you think Lars hasn't bothered to answer the questions in the original post since many of his affiliates seem to want to hear the comments?
This is a tough situation. One thread I read said he needed to maintain his database. This could mean that if he drops adware companies all of a sudden becauase of one person that is on a crusade when it has been perfectly acceptable for years including the crusaders own company it could mean he would stress over chargeback issues. You have to keep in mind that if you drop let's say 5% of your processing one month the next month you might be facing chargeback issues because your chargebacks kept coming in and your transactions droppped. I don't know if you are informed about these sort of things but it means you could actually lose your business. Not only lose your business but lose your business overnight because ONE person decideded to try to make a name for himself and ruin one company and not even try to clean up his own backyard first.

will76 11-20-2006 11:50 PM
NOTE TO EVERYONE READING THIS.

This is what you call "spin" and an attempt to kill a thread.

TrafficHog is trying to spin the issue here to Will76 instead of leaving the thread be which is focusing on questions for AFF and has nothing to do with me.

There is a 99% chance that TrafficHog is a fake nick of someone who has a vested interest in AFF.

hey is hoping to shit on this thread make it personally and hope people stop bumping it. We all know what he is saying is BULLSHIT. if agree with him or want answers to any of his comments make a new thread.

OTHERWISE IGNORE him and keep the this thread focused on the questions that you wanted answers.

will76 11-20-2006 11:51 PM
Don't argue with this moron.

Bump for answers from post 1

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 11:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358081)
Come on who's fake nic are you? Lars? DH?

Which company did i pretend to own ? Just curious.
ClickCash dumbfuck! You have been trying to act as ClickCash is all high and mighty when they are one of the biggest supporters of Zango. Then, just recently, did you start to have links removed. Now you say... "if you see a clickcash code contact them and they will remove it"

will76 11-20-2006 11:54 PM
it isn't by chance this fake nic has poped into this thread and started making up all kind of shit we ALL know is false. These guys want this thread to go away. It is obvious. Since they do I will not make sure to bump this thread 5 times a day until your questions are answered. Nice try fuckers. as usually your agenda is obvious and back fires.

Everyone who was bumping this, step it up now. Bump the fuck out of this thread. They wouldnt have come in here with this fake nic if they didn't want this thread to go away.

will76 11-20-2006 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358101)
ClickCash dumbfuck! You have been trying to act as ClickCash is all high and mighty when they are one of the biggest supporters of Zango. Then, just recently, did you start to have links removed. Now you say... "if you see a clickcash code contact them and they will remove it"
bump for you :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 11:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358096)
Don't argue with this moron.

Bump for answers from post 1
Will, in your honest opinion... how many years has ClickCash had links from Zango and directly profiting from Zango? Now be honest... We are trying to stop a problem right? We are working for a cause right?????

Please... Please be honest with us. How long has ClickCash been without Zango? Never? 2 Days?
how long big crusader? You can't check your own backyard before you try to deface other companies?

will76 11-20-2006 11:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucky1 (Post 11332315)
All night long it seems that AFF and their supporters are trying to spin the hell out of the zango issue.

They have reduced a serious problem in the adult industry to a kindergarten argument.

I don't want to hear that this company is using zango or that company is using zango. I don't what to hear that Will is an asshole or Lars is an asshole. What I want are these questions answered from AFF since they are the only company that has come forward and admitted that they directly purchase traffic from zango.

Is Zango a problem in the adult industry as a whole?

Is theft on any level whether it is 20% or .0001% acceptable?

Do you bid on url's of other companies?

Does Zango pop up a page or window over a site thus possibly taking away traffic from the original site?

Why do you use zango if it is such a small portion of your traffic and income?

Are you doing anything to stop zango and if so what?

Serious questions and I would like serious answers.

Answer them right and gain some respect.
Extra points for honesty and I'll check your answers.
Incase anyone missed it Lucky1 was trying to get the questions above answered. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

will76 11-20-2006 11:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358115)
Will, in your honest opinion... how many years has ClickCash had links from Zango and directly profiting from Zango? Now be honest... We are trying to stop a problem right? We are working for a cause right?????

Please... Please be honest with us. How long has ClickCash been without Zango? Never? 2 Days?
how long big crusader? You can't check your own backyard before you try to deface other companies?
whoooa bump-o-rama.... thanks for another bump BRO! remind me to buy you a drink at the next show :thumbsup

TrafficHog 11-20-2006 11:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358096)
Don't argue with this moron.

Bump for answers from post 1
It's obvious you are upset people are actually questioning you and actually opening their minds to what's really going on. Sorry Will... The sheep won't always follow a moron.... There comes a time....

TrafficHog 11-21-2006 12:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by will76 (Post 11358121)
whoooa bump-o-rama.... thanks for another bump BRO! remind me to buy you a drink at the next show :thumbsup
Come on Will..... Please answer these honest questions.... Please......

will76 11-21-2006 12:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TrafficHog (Post 11358129)
It's obvious you are upset people are actually questioning you and actually opening their minds to what's really going on. Sorry Will... The sheep won't always follow a moron.... There comes a time....
If you want to chat with me start a new thread. Don't try to hijack this one.

Thanks for another bump :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup


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