The official AFF and CAMS link pulling thread

[machinegunkelly]

So , I normally keep my mouth shut, and I've been reading a lot of these zango threads and I can't believe what I read.

lars pretty much thinks he can raise the payout and we'll all just shut up and move on.

The thing is this has been going on for YEARS and no one really put it all together until recently

Last February I was highjacked by some sort of spyware and guess who's pop ups I was getting ? That's right .. AFF and Cams.com

So we've got all these threads , and Lars doesn't seem to give a flyin' fuck about his affiliates, Perhaps because he doesn't see the effects, or the pages pulling his links, All he sees is the bottom line

Perhaps we should all post the pages that we've removed any of his programs from so he can see the effects first hand

I was pushing very little traffic to his programs , it doesn't matter .. the point is I'm NOT flying those banners on my site anymore and will not until something is done or changes ( which we know won't happen )

I deal with webmasters and I won't suggest these programs to them anymore.

Until last night www.twistedbydesigns.com had AFF and CAMS.com featured on it's Cash programs page , 404 pages , and right side bar

I've removed them all pages and urge other webmasters suggesting this shady program to their clients or surfers to do the same.
As far as I know the other programs and new ones I have listed do not support Zango advertising nor do they buy their traffic directly as lars has publicly admitted , If I find out otherwise I will immediatly pull those links as well

We can't take out zango .. we can't take out AFF or Cams orwhatever other sponsor .. but we can pull our fucking links

[Daruma]

great post

we never promoted them - but after all of the shit - we never will

[Martin]

Check out my sig. Not worried if you use my ref codes or not.

[u-Bob]

[TheSwed]

good post

and I send my traffic to fling

[Babaganoosh]

Fling is the only site that converts as well as AFF. Seriously.[/URL]

[fr0gman]

I pulled mine after the "we are not responsible for content" explanation from AFF.

[tenderobject]

nice post bro.

[dropped9]

nice post man...

[xdcdave]

I switched my AFF ads to Fling, doing great btw.. but I dont know what to do with my Cams.com stuff, I'm using the co-brand, so it's tough to just up and switch that.

[Tuga]

I didnt pull until I got something that converts as good, now I have Fling.

[machinegunkelly]

I switched my AFF ads to Fling, doing great btw.. but I dont know what to do with my Cams.com stuff, I'm using the co-brand, so it's tough to just up and switch that.

Fuck 'em

This is the internet ! Thousands of other options ..

And I have a feeling you'll never look back

I'm sure if you contact ANY other cam program they will have some solution for you , or be willing to create one

[Daruma]

try AWE
Visit-X.net has been doing great for EU traffic also

[jayeff]

As far as I know the other programs and new ones I have listed do not support Zango advertising nor do they buy their traffic directly as lars has publicly admitted , If I find out otherwise I will immediatly pull those links as well

I'm in the process of rebuilding my sites after 3 years mostly on auto-pilot and I'm removing links to known scumware supporters (whether as customers or by accepting affiliates who are) as I go.

My dilemma is that populating 20-odd sites with not only promos, but also content (galleries), makes it impractical to think in terms of only a half-dozen sponsors. I have noted which sponsors have specifically come out against scumware, but outside of the cams/dating niches there really haven't been very many. The list gets even shorter if you restrict it to sponsors who have included mention of adware/spyware etc in their TOS.

I really don't want have to "clean" all my links repeatedly if new offenders are revealed, so it is encouraging to see more sponsors speaking up recently. But there are many who still on the sidelines, so I hope everyone keeps up the pressure and encourage more to speak out.

[JD]

fuck aff. I've been completely against them since the stolen content shit that went down a while back

[SleazyDream]

what was the last job you got fired from machinegunkelly?

[RawAlex]

jayeff, that sad part is that many companies either play close to the line themselves or allow their affiliates to blatantly cross it without issue.

It is almost easier just to infect a machine with Zango (notice I don't say install... infection is the right way to look at it) and surf your sponsor's stuff, and surf other stuff. Watch what pops up, watch who is getting hit, and work from there.

[Daruma]

what was the last job you got fired from machinegunkelly?

how much did Lars pay you off?

[SleazyDream]

how much did Lars pay you off?

lars has paid me more money than any of you trolls can fathum over the last 7-8 years, but gave me NOTHING for this


but i can pull all his links in under 30 mins. Aff isn't doing anything any other larger company is doing. put a zango blocker up - problem blocked

[detoxed]

Fling is the only site that converts as well as AFF. Seriously.[/URL]

I have found many that convert better than both of those.

[machinegunkelly]

what was the last job you got fired from machinegunkelly?

Hit a nerve sleazy ?

[Zuzana Designs]

www.vscash.com is a great way to go .. I have been with them for years and they are the best.. and don't support zango at all...

[Babaganoosh]

I have found many that convert better than both of those.

If you're going to say camazon or datinggold, then I disagree strongly.

[jayeff]

It is almost easier just to infect a machine with Zango (notice I don't say install... infection is the right way to look at it) and surf your sponsor's stuff, and surf other stuff. Watch what pops up, watch who is getting hit, and work from there.

Don't tell anyone, but that is what I'm actually doing ;)

The wide-eyed innocent bit was to allow me to (politely) make the point that if their silence is a sign, pathetically few sponsors apparently do ban scumware. After all, there couldn't be a better time than right now to score a few brownie points by stating such positions, so one has to assume the worst from their reluctance to do so.

That said, it is only a matter of time before affiliates (at least) start buying keywords for presently unaffected sponsors, if they think they can do so with impunity. Therefore I really would rather work with sponsors who have taken a public stance than merely see who is "clean" so far.

[Daruma]

lars has paid me more money than any of you trolls can fathum over the last 7-8 years, but gave me NOTHING for this


but i can pull all his links in under 30 mins. Aff isn't doing anything any other larger company is doing. put a zango blocker up - problem blocked

are you including me in the 'troll' definition?
you have no idea what I own, or who I am..

the problem is far more serious than what you even can comprehend... obviously you'll back your buddies no matter what they do to others in the business including the people that helped them get to the top

karma will be a bitch someday when Lars gets his ass brought into court for this and other shit he's been pulling for a long time

[will76]

lars has paid me more money than any of you trolls can fathum over the last 7-8 years, but gave me NOTHING for this


but i can pull all his links in under 30 mins. Aff isn't doing anything any other larger company is doing. put a zango blocker up - problem blocked

How much? Running your mouth about how much you made with AFF I am curious what you consider more money then I can fathum. I would be surpised if you made more from AFF last year then I did from clickcash.

You said all large companies are doing it? which ones.

you are real vague with your statements.

[TampaToker]

lars has paid me more money than any of you trolls can fathum over the last 7-8 years, but gave me NOTHING for this


but i can pull all his links in under 30 mins. Aff isn't doing anything any other larger company is doing. put a zango blocker up - problem blocked

You right Sleazy they are not doing anything any other larger company is doing.
But to come on here and to say its to protect there interest in completely bullshit. I been trying for 2 weeks now to start a zango campaigne pushing AFF and i just called and my account rep and they said " AFF will not allow it"

So they can bid on keywords and send popups over my site . But i cant do the same to them wtf?

[CaptainHowdy]

I love you machinegunkelly!

[jayeff]

lars has paid me more money than any of you trolls can fathum over the last 7-8 years, but gave me NOTHING for this but i can pull all his links in under 30 mins. Aff isn't doing anything any other larger company is doing. put a zango blocker up - problem blocked

1. He paid you money because you earned it, not out of the goodness of his heart.
2. AFF is and frequently has done things other major companies wouldn't do.
3. Putting up a zango blocker only stops someone else making money: it does nothing to protect your income.

Rationalize away, but the reality is that although maybe you could pull AFF's links quickly, you have focused on them to such an extent that your income would take a major hit while you learned to promote someone else as effectively. While you are sneering at everyone else, spare a second to reflect that is a situation in which no competent businessman would ever have placed himself.

[Daruma]

competent businessman = NOT = Sleazy-idiot-dream

[machinegunkelly]

I love you machinegunkelly!

[LiveDose]

Bump for a good thread.

[Evil1]

While you are sneering at everyone else, spare a second to reflect that is a situation in which no competent businessman would ever have placed himself.

Ouch!



machinegunkelly

[Kimo]

lars has paid me more money than any of you trolls can fathum over the last 7-8 years, but gave me NOTHING for this


but i can pull all his links in under 30 mins. Aff isn't doing anything any other larger company is doing. put a zango blocker up - problem blocked

Then why were you pissed at first when Lars posted the thread where he admitted to using zango?


What changed your mind after those initial posts?

[machinegunkelly]

Then why you pissed at first when Lars posted the thread where he admitted to using zango?


What changed your mind after those initial posts?

He Mu$t have ju$t changed hi$ mind or something

[Daruma]

Then why you pissed at first when Lars posted the thread where he admitted to using zango?


What changed your mind after those initial posts?

Lars is on the left
Sleazy is on the right

[will76]

How much? Running your mouth about how much you made with AFF I am curious what you consider more money then I can fathum. I would be surpised if you made more from AFF last year then I did from clickcash.

You said all large companies are doing it? which ones.

you are real vague with your statements.

I would love to see him answer these questions honestly.

[Kimo]

He Mu$t have ju$t changed hi$ mind or something

I just think its fucking hilarious how he went from being pissed about it to defending them, and claims he wasnt paid off.



Seriously Sleazy that doesnt make any sense, enlighten us, or keep your mouth shut and enjoy your custom prepaid deal that bought your loyalty.

[Brujah]

Sleazy hasn't changed his mind. The truth is that he can't afford to stop using them. He needs the money too bad, to switch. They own him.

[Daruma]

$leazy i$ the mo$t loyal $lut in thi$ bu$$ine$$

[machinegunkelly]

Sleazy hasn't changed his mind. The truth is that he can't afford to stop using them. He needs the money too bad, to switch. They own him.

The fact he says he can pull all the links in 30 seconds is the biggest bunch of BS too .. how many sleazy galleries promote AFF ? pretty much all the ones I've seen.

It's called putting your eggs in one basket, and looks like sleazy's gonna hang around till the ship goes down

[will76]

The fact he says he can pull all the links in 30 seconds is the biggest bunch of BS too .. how many sleazy galleries promote AFF ? pretty much all the ones I've seen.

It's called putting your eggs in one basket, and looks like sleazy's gonna hang around till the ship goes down

30 seconds.... I would like to see him explain that too.

[Daruma]

sleazy's gonna hang around till the ship goes down

with fatass - that shouldn't be too hard

[Boss Traffic Jim]

1. He paid you money because you earned it, not out of the goodness of his heart.
2. AFF is and frequently has done things other major companies wouldn't do.
3. Putting up a zango blocker only stops someone else making money: it does nothing to protect your income.

Rationalize away, but the reality is that although maybe you could pull AFF's links quickly, you have focused on them to such an extent that your income would take a major hit while you learned to promote someone else as effectively. While you are sneering at everyone else, spare a second to reflect that is a situation in which no competent businessman would ever have placed himself.

Well said bro... EVERYONE MUST REMOVE ALL LINKS TO ALL AFF & CAMS SITES !!!!!

[SpeakEasy]

lars has paid me more money than any of you trolls can fathum over the last 7-8 years, but gave me NOTHING for this


but i can pull all his links in under 30 mins. Aff isn't doing anything any other larger company is doing. put a zango blocker up - problem blocked

Once again you prove you are a complete IDIOT !!

[Peaches]

lars has paid me more money than any of you trolls can fathum over the last 7-8 years, but gave me NOTHING for this


but i can pull all his links in under 30 mins. Aff isn't doing anything any other larger company is doing. put a zango blocker up - problem blocked

Just because I haven't seen any others mentioned, what other larger companies are doing this?

And telling people they need to put Zango blockers up is like telling people they have to lock their doors or they deserve to be stolen from.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but again, I am curious as to the other larger companies doing this. From what I've seen, many have come here and said they DON'T do this. Now, some of them may and probably are sending traffic on the backend to AFF/cams and ergo playing innocent by making money off it at the same time - is that what you're talking about?

[crockett]

Good post MG Kelly

nice post man...

and welcome back Headless

[lucky1]

Great post.

and here is recent quote from Sleazy. He really lives up to his name.

everyone has cheated, stole and scammed in one way or another.

your'e a fucking two faced liar if you even try to say different

Shit, I guess that makes me a two faced liar.

[RawAlex]

Sleazy, I don't get it.

Because Lars has done business with you in the past and paid you well, he is now able to steal your traffic, hijack your surfers, and you are fine with this?

I can't wait for Molson to give up buisness because after everyone buys the first beer, the rest are free, right?

[PMdave]

sleazy said before that he only takes prepaid deals. He couldn't care less if his links are hijacked or not. He freaked 2 minutes it was proven on this board that aff was simply hijacking his domain... than lars smoothenth things up with him and he's cool with the whole scam deal. As long as it doesn't affects him directly... Litlle bit shortsighted.