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BlackCrayon 11-23-2006 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the alchemist (Post 11377587)
From what I see, I think the point was to show how stupid and ignorant most people are. :2 cents:

yet all you can do in this thread is call people stupid and ignorant instead of explaining your thoughts. kinda makes you look stupid and ignorant.

the alchemist 11-23-2006 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 11377931)
yet all you can do in this thread is call people stupid and ignorant instead of explaining your thoughts. kinda makes you look stupid and ignorant.

What good could come out of it? Most people obviously have their prejudices and propaganda deeply rooted in their minds.

BlackCrayon 11-23-2006 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by the alchemist (Post 11377972)
What good could come out of it? Most people obviously have their prejudices and propaganda deeply rooted in their minds.

true but do you think you're except from prejudices and propaganda? no one is.

viva celebs 11-23-2006 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 11377654)
I think it is stupid ... as stupid as it was to stop being an English possession ... why the fuck did we need a country called Canada ...

Same goes for the US ... should have remained as the bitch of England... :2 cents:

.. and Jamaica, Australia, and so on ....

i think you mean the bitch of "Britian", england has'nt existed since the 17th century.

the alchemist 11-23-2006 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 11377990)
true but do you think you're except from prejudices and propaganda? no one is.

Yes, I can honestly say I am. I always judge a person by his/hers actions, not words, beliefs, skin color and especially not by where they are from. Also, I make sure I know the facts of a debate before saying anything, instead of spurting blatant propaganda and idiotic comments. We're in 2006 now and I can't believe all the crap and prejudices I've read in this thread that still lives on today in our transparent information age.

Knowledge is power.

WarChild 11-23-2006 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 11377654)
I think it is stupid ... as stupid as it was to stop being an English possession ... why the fuck did we need a country called Canada ...

Same goes for the US ... should have remained as the bitch of England... :2 cents:

.. and Jamaica, Australia, and so on ....

People should know when they are conquered.

As far as Colonial powers go, the French pretty much got bitch slapped.

Fluid 11-23-2006 10:36 AM

Cool...now that they're a nation they can start paying back all the welfare, unemployment and other transfers they've been picking canada's pockets for all these years.

Mighty Chin 11-23-2006 10:38 AM

This was PM Harpers way to show Quebec that he cares about them so when the next election comes around he looks like a hero to them. So in turn maybe just maybe more KBEKERS will vote Conservative and give him the majority goverment he so desperately wants.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Jman 11-23-2006 10:47 AM

I am from Quebec and French but I think this whole nation or separatist thing is a load of shit.

Quebec is one of Canada's province where the majority of people speaks french and that's all it is. No better nore worse then any other province.

Before the first referendum Montreal was a booming city with most of canada's big corp head office establish there. Tons have moved away from there after the 1st referendum, tell me how was That beneficial for Montreal.

I am Proud to be Canadian and also proud to be french but god I hate these fucking seperatist whiners... They should all be shot :321GFY

Fetish Gimp 11-23-2006 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mighty Chin
This was PM Harpers way to show Quebec that he cares about them so when the next election comes around he looks like a hero to them. So in turn maybe just maybe more KBEKERS will vote Conservative and give him the majority goverment he so desperately wants.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

Exactly. And remember, it's a motion, not a fait accompli.

MaddCaz 11-23-2006 10:48 AM

yea isnt there a lotta history there?

LadyMischief 11-23-2006 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by the alchemist (Post 11378015)
Yes, I can honestly say I am. I always judge a person by his/hers actions, not words, beliefs, skin color and especially not by where they are from. Also, I make sure I know the facts of a debate before saying anything, instead of spurting blatant propaganda and idiotic comments. We're in 2006 now and I can't believe all the crap and prejudices I've read in this thread that still lives on today in our transparent information age.

Knowledge is power.

Then apparently you've been looking everywhere but at yourself, because it's fairly obvious you've allowed your own prejudices to dictate your opinions. I never said I hated french, or Quebec, I simply hate the schoolyard BS that myself and everyone else in the country has witnessed for time immemorial. You honestly think the entire rest of the country are that stupid? Or blind? It's a much different picture on the outside looking in, I assure you.

wyldblyss 11-23-2006 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the alchemist (Post 11378015)
Yes, I can honestly say I am. I always judge a person by his/hers actions, not words, beliefs, skin color and especially not by where they are from. Also, I make sure I know the facts of a debate before saying anything, instead of spurting blatant propaganda and idiotic comments. We're in 2006 now and I can't believe all the crap and prejudices I've read in this thread that still lives on today in our transparent information age.

Knowledge is power.

You make no sense at all. In one sentence you say you do not judge a person by their words, and in the next you accuse people of making idiotic comments.

You say you do not judge, but you are judging. As for prejudices, once again, not only do you judge but you make inaccurate assumptions.

I judge people by their words, their beliefs as well as their actions, and anyone that doesn't isn't looking at the entire picture (I do *not* mean religion by the word belief).

_Richard_ 11-23-2006 11:01 AM

I don't understand the thought processes of almost every post here. I love Quebec but some there have a weird view of independance.

I wonder why they insist on being independant to practise they're uniqueness, when Canada is one of the most special countries on the planet BECAUSE of the english/french co-existance. Someone said that was a stupid idea?

I think every province should come up and say "I am a nation". It would back the prime minister in saying this and take the wind out of the sails of the separatists thinking that this is some sort of God send.

British Columbia is a nation too. We have always been this way, and always will be. The closest people we have as friends in the country is Alberta and the Yukon, and an similarity with the maritimes. Quebec is smack in the middle of things with the economic power of leading governments. Get over yourselves. There is bigger fish to fry.

And the stupid redneck from Alberta spouting that racist shit.. you're an idiot. Go back to the moonshine and inbreeding.

R

Jman 11-23-2006 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BuggyG (Post 11377713)
"Les Quebecoises" are considered a nation WITHIN the country of Canada
such as the Cree Nation.. Acadians..etc..etc..

not the province itself
argumnts happen cause peopel do not read.understand completely the whole story

so stop reading/trying to undersand the news right after ya spent the night drinking with ya favorite stipper Alex! :thumbsup

Now that's funny. Why in Quebec we need to call ourserfs Qubecois instead of Canadians.

Do you hear the rest of the country go oh yeah I am a Manitoban or an Ontarian, I am a Saskatchewanian....

I say it's BULL SHIT and just goes to show how fucking stupid "Le Party Quebecois" is, as they are the ones been bitching about this for many many years.

I am moving back to Montreal but I will always be a Canadian.

SmokeyTheBear 11-23-2006 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DjSap (Post 11377282)
As somebody who recently moved to canada I don't see how rational people could live in a bilingual society. Having all products and ads in both languages has to be the stupidest idea ever. To top it off the french that is spoken sounds like shit to real frenchies so the bilingual part is not really useful externally..

heh it gets worse, its only all in english and french in the parts of canada where nobody speaks french.

In the french parts of canada its illegal to have english signs..

_Richard_ 11-23-2006 11:04 AM

Thats wrong

R

MetaMan 11-23-2006 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Porn Girl (Post 11376857)
Well that is the most ignorant thing that I have ever heard.

:1orglaugh you frenchies are so easy to set off, it is so funny, this thread can go another 2 pages no problem just with random insults and people quoting them.

baddog 11-23-2006 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 11374960)
Well, you start getting into the issue of language and what the word "nation" means in french, versus what it means in english. French people put more emphasis on nation a something closer to country or statehood, where as in english nation is more like "group", such as acadian, inuit, the various indian nations, etc. Think of it as something closer to tribe or cultural grouping.

So, it is kind of like the Colbert Nation? With a small n, of course.

baddog 11-23-2006 11:14 AM

100 nations in Canada?

BuggyG 11-23-2006 11:32 AM

hehe to all the Quebecers who will understand this

101 POSTS BITCHES!!!!! :1orglaugh

Theo 11-23-2006 11:34 AM

wasnt good idea really

ContentSHOOTER 11-23-2006 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex from Montreal (Post 11374670)
Most Quebeckers are very happy about this declaration which mean less need for us to make a referundum, and this is good for Canada ease of mind.


Because it makes Quebecwades HAPPY Oh Please:mad:

Simon IA Cash 11-23-2006 11:55 AM

What's wrong with all you people that have a problem with bilingualism? Quebecois french can be used anywhere in the world that speaks french, which is actually quite a lot of people. The United States is so proud to be a monolingual country, so much of the time... but Americans are mocked by much of the rest of the world for it. It's not jealousy; it's head-shaking pity at the confidently isolationist American us/them ethos. Oh well. Maybe the steady increase in the use of Spanish in the US will wake some people up.

It's nice living in a bilingual community, if you don't fan the flames of bullshit by getting all angry at each other. There have been some shitty, shitty laws in Quebec about signs that have pissed me off a lot (you actually are allowed to have english on signs, by the way), but that doesn't mean bilingualism is a bad thing. Usually, children who are raised in bilingual environments have increased linguistic aptitude, and adapt better socially in international situations (obviously).

The kind of people who have a problem with more than one language are people who have probably not traveled much, or have been the type to travel and say "what the hell, these cars are fuckin' tiny!" while they look for the nearest McDonalds and whip they cameras out of their fanny packs and take snapshots of monuments on the way. Some countries actually have three languages (omg!!!), and they get by just fine. It's because they take the time to learn, and realize that some languages can express ideas in different and often better ways than other languages.

Sly 11-23-2006 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon IA Cash (Post 11378520)
The United States is so proud to be a monolingual country, so much of the time... but Americans are mocked by much of the rest of the world for it.

Monolingual? Every time I'm out I hear English, Spanish, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Tagalog.

Sure would have fooled me.

BlackCrayon 11-23-2006 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon IA Cash (Post 11378520)
What's wrong with all you people that have a problem with bilingualism? Quebecois french can be used anywhere in the world that speaks french, which is actually quite a lot of people. The United States is so proud to be a monolingual country, so much of the time... but Americans are mocked by much of the rest of the world for it. It's not jealousy; it's head-shaking pity at the confidently isolationist American us/them ethos. Oh well. Maybe the steady increase in the use of Spanish in the US will wake some people up.

It's nice living in a bilingual community, if you don't fan the flames of bullshit by getting all angry at each other. There have been some shitty, shitty laws in Quebec about signs that have pissed me off a lot (you actually are allowed to have english on signs, by the way), but that doesn't mean bilingualism is a bad thing. Usually, children who are raised in bilingual environments have increased linguistic aptitude, and adapt better socially in international situations (obviously).

The kind of people who have a problem with more than one language are people who have probably not traveled much, or have been the type to travel and say "what the hell, these cars are fuckin' tiny!" while they look for the nearest McDonalds and whip they cameras out of their fanny packs and take snapshots of monuments on the way. Some countries actually have three languages (omg!!!), and they get by just fine. It's because they take the time to learn, and realize that some languages can express ideas in different and often better ways than other languages.

only real problem i have with it is the attitude i get when i speak english when im in quebec, or the attitude i get when i try and speak french when im in quebec. just can't win unless you talk like them. bilingualism basically doesn't exist in quebec but quebec expects the rest of canada to promote it. kinda hypocritical.

cutievids 11-23-2006 12:11 PM

oh snap

http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/680163-quebec-flag-released-pic.html

Mediachick 11-23-2006 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 11374852)
French people are not morons, they are just the most lazy people on earth, they do not work, they eat poutine and drink wine all day, that is why a working man like myself has to pay for them.

I hope you're kidding. I work more then 50 hours a week, I have responsabilities, most of the ppl I know are hard workers... I come from a family where I saw my parents working more then 80 hours a week with 5 kids to raise and never complain. I am not a separatist, I speak decent english, and I dont give a flying fuck about the fact that Quebec might never separate from canada... wtf are you talking about you racist IGNORANT piece of shit? How can you insult ppl that you dont even know...'drinking wine' I think you got us confusesd with France GO BACK TO SCHOOL OR STFU. French is a language not a 'way to live' you fucking moron.

Mediachick 11-23-2006 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BuggyG (Post 11378370)
hehe to all the Quebecers who will understand this

101 POSTS BITCHES!!!!! :1orglaugh

LOL :1orglaugh

leedsfan 11-23-2006 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 11374783)
Fuck QUEBEC you are not canadian in the firstplace, people look down on canada due to the french, this nation would be 1000x better without you.

no one likes the whiny, lazy frenchmen, which equals quebec, please seperate, you will still whine to canada for money, useless frenchies, i cannot wait, get the fuck out.


so tell us where you have travelled in your life, you well educated, well adjusted redneck

Simon IA Cash 11-23-2006 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 11378538)
Monolingual? Every time I'm out I hear English, Spanish, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Tagalog.

Sure would have fooled me.

It's officially monolingual. Only one American official language, legally. Every country has people speaking other languages, obviously. Well, maybe not North Korea. Anyway, you'll have mini-communities of various kinds, always. But signs in the US are predominantly (almost exclusively) in English, and all legal and political processes are in English. You don't really have to learn another language, but I bet those people speaking the other languages know some English.

Here's an old joke I heard once:
What do you call someone who speaks two languages? A bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks three languages? A trilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language? An American.

MetaMan 11-23-2006 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by leedsfan (Post 11378645)
so tell us where you have travelled in your life, you well educated, well adjusted redneck



you are very well adjusted calling me a redneck, i bet you have not even been to calgary, there is no fucking rednecks here, half the freagin city is filled with easteners now.

Simon IA Cash 11-23-2006 12:29 PM

I went to Calgary and bought a cowboy hat there.

MetaMan 11-23-2006 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon IA Cash (Post 11378707)
I went to Calgary and bought a cowboy hat there.

The funny thing is only tourists wear cowboy hats in Calgary.

Sly 11-23-2006 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon IA Cash (Post 11378656)
It's officially monolingual. Only one American official language, legally. Every country has people speaking other languages, obviously. Well, maybe not North Korea. Anyway, you'll have mini-communities of various kinds, always. But signs in the US are predominantly (almost exclusively) in English, and all legal and political processes are in English. You don't really have to learn another language, but I bet those people speaking the other languages know some English.

Most countries have one official language. I fail to see what you're getting at here.

We don't have legal proceedings in Spanish, French, Italian, Russian, the million different dialects of Chinese, Japanese, etc? Who cares? I sure as hell don't want taxes going towards leaflets in 20 different languages when everyone can easily learn one universal language to easily communicate with one another.

When I go to Central America I don't expect people to know English, I do my best to figure out Spanish.

I read the other day that the EU spends over one billion Euro annually to translate all documents in every language the EU countries use. Thats a lot of money. The UN has 6 "official" languages but predominantly uses English and French. Can you imagine how much money it would cost to translate documents into the hundreds of various languages and dialects the member states use? Holy cow.

There is really no practical reason to have everything written in 2 languages, just like there is no practical reason to have 2 different currencies within the same stabilized countries. Next you'll say we should start accepting pesos, lol.

MetaMan 11-23-2006 12:31 PM

Look lets break it down for you people, THE WEST runs Canada, we ARE Canada.

ClubAdultDesign 11-23-2006 12:32 PM

I fucking hate french canadians.

Mediachick 11-23-2006 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ClubAdultDesign (Post 11378732)
I fucking hate french canadians.

Okay, what makes french canadian different then anglo canadians just because they speak french? Im not talking political here. If you wanna talk about fascist nationalist, say nationalist. If you hate ppl simply because they speak a language you cannot understand, you are just plain stupid. What's wrong with ppl on this board?

MetaMan 11-23-2006 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mediachick (Post 11378759)
Okay, what makes french canadian different then anglo canadians just because they speak french?

no there is 0 differences, none at all, i mean nothing, not a single one, zip, zilch, nada, we are the exact same.

Mediachick 11-23-2006 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 11378770)
no there is 0 differences, none at all, i mean nothing, not a single one, zip, zilch, nada, we are the exact same.

that wasnt adressed to you.


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