i agree, i was looking at overall trend/3 year rank, that dropoff may be due to what you mentioned

The thread title is nothing to be worried about. LegendaryLars has admitted here that that AFF take a part ( shaving ) of our affiliate share by using Zango.

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Compared to other programs, the level of detail of AFF stats is a big fucking joke ...

Add to that that they:
- Deal with Adware/Spyware companies
- Steal from their own affiliates (marketing efforts)
- Have loads of fake profiles
- Endorse Social Community spamming
- Accept warez, p2p, torrent sites to push them

yeah...that shows indeed a nice overall picture of AFF when it comes to trust and morals :helpme :disgust

how can you see by one's stats that a program is shaving or not? it's impossible to proof anything on the affiliate point of view.

where the heck is lars anyway?!

This thread should have a question mark not an exclamation point..

As much as i hate whats going on recently, i think its doing a disservice by diluting the issue with unfounded allegations..

Smokey, just the use of Zango is a "shave" in it's own right. That they are willing to use spyware / scumware / malware companies to provide traffic, and to take that traffic potentially from their own affiliates is a shave above and beyond what most other companies even have the balls to try to sneak through.

There ain't now "?" about it, ya know?

i still have my aff links up...doing ok i guess

If you have proof, post it. If not, shut up.

Unfounded allegations?
The thread title is ok. LegendaryLars has admitted here that that AFF take a part ( shaving ) of our affiliate share by using Zango.

The title of this thread is 100% ok. You can call it outside or inside shaving. The result is the same, stealing money. But for the first time the shaving can be proved!

How about proofs?

Do you have an ad from Zango on your site as well? Beside AFF I mean?

The proof is LegendarLars own statement. What do you need more?

Try Adult Dating Dollars. No shave / no Zango / just $40 per trial join :)

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just out of curiousity... what do you all think gave AFF that huge jump in late 2004? could it be hmmm... zango? i'm just taking a wild stab at that one :1orglaugh

I bet if he was up your ass, you'd know :2 cents:

Even if they do shave you still make more money with them over everybody else and thats all that matters.

Exactly what I where waiting for! People like you make shaving and thefts possible to go on with. Spineless cowards! You dont know the meaning of a honest deal?

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Those defending AFF using Zango ( and other types of shaving I assume ) try to think! If you are not a criminal of course.
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A father (AFF) has a little daughter (affiliate) he rapes from time to time. Neighbors say; nothing to worry about, after all, he feeds her. And the daughter need a chastity belt (.htaccess) when at home.
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Lars is taking a public beating.

If a compagny is doing anything shady you always have to watch your back... I'm not saying that AFF shaves but I agree that you might have your reason to be suspicious the way everything about Zango was handled.

If you are worried about shaving, run a test signup. I can't think of any major programs that have a problem with running test signups if you actually let them know afterwards.

If you trust your sponsor it should not be necessary to test. In this case, AFF admit shaving thru the Zango use. Behind our ( Affiliates ) backs. And lost all trust.
If you have many signups/day you can not test at AFF. It not possible to track an unique signup.

sig check!

Well from what I heard about his weenee, I wouldn't be so sure about that. :1orglaugh

So I've taken care of the Zango issue on all my domains - now I want to know what other systems or programs do I have to find a solution and redirect for. I'd rather go broke or redirect to the Jehovah's Witnesses than have someone take it from me/giving me what THEY or someone else decides I should credit for.

We can either list those systems here or you can email me at
cleanmycomp *[at]* gmail *[dot]* com

Thanks

I don't trust any sponsor. I still think it comes down to promoting which company makes you the most money. AFF and Cams conversions are fairly poor compared to their competitors.

fuck zango

I can't say if they shave or not.. However when I saw Lar's response to the whole zango ordeal. That and the fact even after he's been shown what zango does and how it's stealing from affiliates, he continues to use it..

Well let's just say I wouldn't put it past him to shave sales if he doesn't give a fuck about zango stealing sales from us.

DatingGold.com doesn't allow spyware and I think Iwantu.com doesnt either.

But sometimes it is evident without proves.

Accusations of shaving and theft with no proof. And then you are dumb enough to post this. Goodbye!

Obviously AFF will not respond, what could they really say here?

Why should they, since they have their sheep here do all their dirty work?

The same people they fuck day in and day out praise them, great business!

They designed their system to report whatever numbers they want it to report. We have established that they are dishonest people to begin with that fuck affiliates by way of Zango.

I think it is reasonable to assume that if they thought they could get away with fucking affiliates by shaving, which they obviously can, they would.

Of course there is no 'proof', but I challenge them to provide member data, something that an affiliate can confirm when placing test orders.

Until then, I would have to assume the worst as they are run by scum bags and I would certainly not put 'shaving' past them.

I think as affiliates we need to be proactive, not only outing the companies that are proven to shave but outing the companies that have un-auditable stats systems. This should be unacceptable to any affiliate.

Bravo! Still some people with courage around!

Which kind of proof do you want? Please tell us.:helpme

TD if you are such a big boy to ban this guy (even though his example was a bit harsh I agree) than please close the fucking thread too instead of keeping it up. Not?

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